Found Safe TN - Mary Catherine Elizabeth Thomas, 15, Maury County, 13 March 2017 #7

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Yeah I was surprised she didn't have a Southern accent, I can't remember now if she spent all of her time in TN.

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She was born in TN but all of our family is from Indiana (GM/Saturn transplants). Our family is anti accents and really didn't want them developing one. Nothing against them but they are insanity about proper grammar and speaking clearly

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I believe that Tad Cummins has committed a crime; that he's crossed professional and ethical lines and I believe, deep down, he knows it.

But my own guess isn't that he's been criminally masterminding assaults on girls via the Dark Web, but that he's made a long series of increasingly bad to criminal choices.

I suspect, for instance, that Tad started out by occasionally flirting with his favorite female students, obviously inappropriately, and possibly because he had some underlying insecurities and enjoyed the affirmation of having teen girls think he was "cool."

The way I see it escalating is that each time he builds a "special, teacher's pet" sort of relationship with a girl, maybe he allows himself to go a little further. Give a compliment that's a bit over the line. Becoming increasingly flirtatious. Perhaps a little handsy--a touch on the shoulder, the arm, the hand.

My guess is he slowly allowed his boundaries to slip and habits he used to understand as "inappropriate" became normal for him.

I also think he has some ongoing insecurities, that may have become exacerbated during middle age. He perhaps gained some weight, started graying, saw some wrinkles and the relationship with the girls is where he felt (again, inappropriately) best and youngest.

Let's suppose on top of that, he felt under appreciated by bosses or his wife or any other figure. That he resented people not affirming him more.

If this was his psyche, when EC became a part of his life, I think he could've told himself he was genuinely in love. That this girl in her innocence could see good in him others couldn't.

This may have triggered his desire to be a protector of her, to rescue her--someone who believed in him--from hardship.

In the process of doing so, he opened up more and more emotionally to her and she to him. It may have been under the guise of spirituality or mentorship.

I think Tad was already locked onto TC by the time a kiss between them was reported. For weeks or maybe months, he may have been imagining what it would be like to leave his adult responsibilities and run away with his "best friend" as he--scarily--called her. But I am guessing at some point, those ideas changed from fantasies to planning. Perhaps when Tad got suspended, for instance.

In his arrogance, I am thinking he resented the community for the accusations. That he began pushing a desperate escape plan that Elizabeth possibly entertained but didn't fully buy into. That when she expressed misgivings, he talked her back into idealizing some getaway new life with him.

I think he told himself they could start over and he could somehow still live a Christian life before God if he somehow (irrationally) married her (which is why he researched this).

I think you'll find more people will come out and say he was arrogant or controlling and that more girls will come out and say he flirted with them.

But I think through his faith, perhaps, he was able to stay on this side of criminal for a long time. Now he's taken the plunge.

Tad, if you're listening, I think you know you went too far...that you've chosen a course that is far away from where 20-something you imagined you would go. That you got wrapped up in wanting to feel good about yourself and pursue what would make you happy and you talked yourself into believing you were somehow doing something noble or that could be accepted in God's eyes. But the truth is, you lost touch with reality. You gave in to unhealthiness. You crossed professional and ethical boundaries and entered into a relationship with a teenaged girl. You separated a 15 year old girl from her family and friends. You cut her off from a long and bright future she has in front of her. And you took away her right to grow up, mature, and choose a life as a fully formed adult.

And here's the thing. You cannot sustain the life you are living. Guilt will follow you. Authorities will hunt you down. You both will become dissatisfied with hiding, resentful of each other and the course you've taken, and regretful of cutting ties with your families. Please. Come back and take responsibility for this. Bring her home alive and safe. Give the authorities all they need to know. Accept the charges and the penalties. And then get counseling and support to try and get back to a state where you can contribute good to your family at home. You don't want this to be your legacy.

<<This is my opinion, based on being on the field of education and a long history with the Christian church. I would like to add again that unequivocally, a 15 year old cannot give informed adult consent for sex, marriage, or drastic life changes like these. This in unequivocally a criminal, immoral, unethical, and dangerous series of actions that I would like to see halted and reversed as soon as possible. God help us find them.>>


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[MCElizabethsSISTER]

That's the sister I was talking about earlier.

A big questionable thing to me was this.

"The 19-year-old older sister defends her mother and says there must be a reason why Elizabeth was running away."

That gives me pause, but only ET's sister can likely answer the questions you are having. We really don't know how much contact this sister had with ET since the mother. She might not have any idea what has happened with ET.

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The 19yr was sexually abused by a 60yr man while in her mother's care. The court actually said she looked like a cult victim of severe abuse. Sadly because she was older than 18 the court couldn't help her. Her mother helped her to marry a boy she had dated for 6 months to protect the 60yr man. There is so much to this story you cannot judge it by the fake interview on tv.

 

[KKearns]

She was born in TN but all of our family is from Indiana (GM/Saturn transplants). Our family is anti accents and really didn't want them developing one. Nothing against them but they are insanity about proper grammar and speaking clearly

My niece has less of one even though all of us have one, not sure how my niece missed out [emoji3]

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[4SAM]

I mentioned in a another post and wanted to bring up again.

I think its time to hire a private investigator to help find her.

They can sometimes open doors and have channels that the public are not privy to.

They have some payment arrangements that are not too expensive and if a go fundme site was setup maybe some of the funds can be used for a PI.

You can hire them for a certain fixed maximum so that if you only want to spend X dollars then I am sure they can oblige.

Dog the Bounty Hunter is on the case according to help page

 

[KKearns]

Are you saying that all the teachers in the school are not equipped, not qualified... or just what? Can you expound upon how you know this and what you have 'seen' to qualify your statement?

Some are ill equipped because they ignored many signs, some are evidently supporting TC and they are mandated reporters. Also some did not handle the situation well at all after the kiss was reported. They didn't handle it well with ET or the girl that reported it.

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[KKearns]

Ps. That women never saw them. It was a ploy to get on the news and try to look disabled for the criminal court case in May. He hopped if potential jurors saw her and though she might be disabled it would be thrown out.

Yeah he mentioned it sounded like she was saying "if not for the restraining order I could have helped her."

He also mentioned she could have contacted him about it if she saw them.

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[Hatfield]

And I'll piggyback off yours.. It isn't uncommon for two kids to talk about their life growing up and you can't believe they grew up in the same home. They can have very different viewpoints on things that were small to everyone but was a major thing to them due to other factors.

My sister and I were that way for a long time due to some circumstances I experienced (not from my parents) but when my mom or dad would do something totally normal, I would say.. Oh they were right, my mom just did that and she told me they would be like that.

It was a valid conclusion to come to as a child because of what my grandmother was telling me, that I was not telling my mom. I was an adult before I told my mom those things she had told me and my mom understood my feelings. It was a couple more years before I was free of the voice in my head that would say "see? Your mom was critical of you, you will never be acceptable to her."

My mom was always open with us but I had an issue with telling my mom my grandmother was saying what she was saying. There were two of us and my mom missed it. With a few kids and especially if this mom had been abusive, I can see the very different growing up experiences from all of them.

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Good points

And as much as we dont want to think it occurs there are situations where a parent can favor certain children over another. Which could cause dramatically different views that the children have.

There was even a case on Dr. Phil recently where one child was kept locked in a closet for a very long time. I think years if I am not mistaken. The other kids were treated reasonably well but this one child for whatever reason was treated horribly by the same parents.

The parents even convinced the siblings to treat that child differently.

 

[MCElizabethsSISTER]

were your parents divorced, or were they still together living in the same house? It's confusing to understand and the way the news mentions it, it sounds as if your mother was removed from the home and custody given to your father. Trying to understand how that all works in to this.

It is more in depth than news or I can explain in writing. It would take days to explain what it was like growing up there. He was allowed in the house and the judge had a restraining order placed on her. She was the issue the entire time.

 

[KKearns]

I'm trying my best to stay caught up. I'm an open book to begin with and will try my best. The only situation that upset me was the stupidity that happened last night. Thankfully that stopped quickly

Well sometimes these discussions are tough if a family is reading, just know we are aware of that if it gets tough and we aren't being disrespectful. It's really good to have you hear to clear up some questions.

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[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Can you explain about the class of 2019? I've seen it discussed about her graduation year being wrong, I've also seen the explanation. You are free to explain that where I'm not.

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That's when she would have graduated. You are graduating class of whatever year you graduated correct? <modsnip> They were "home schooled" however books were never opened in front of them. They could only be placed back so far. That's her tentative graduation date.

 

[KKearns]

The 19yr was sexually abused by a 60yr man while in her mother's care. The court actually said she looked like a cult victim of severe abuse. Sadly because she was older than 18 the court couldn't help her. Her mother helped her to marry a boy she had dated for 6 months to protect the 60yr man. There is so much to this story you cannot judge it by the fake interview on tv.

That makes a lot of sense.

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[MCElizabethsSISTER]

Good points

And as much as we dont want to think it occurs there are situations where a parent can favor certain children over another. Which could cause dramatically different views that the children have.

There was even a case on Dr. Phil recently where one child was kept locked in a closet for a very long time. I think years if I am not mistaken. The other kids were treated reasonably well but this one child for whatever reason was treated horribly by the same parents.

The parents even convinced the siblings to treat that child differently.

This! Thank you. For some reason the 19yr was treated better(abused in a different way). At one point her weight got so high as a child the doctor had a come to Jesus about some health issues the 19yr was having. She left the doctors appt and bought her ice cream and told her "you are a good eater". This child also pees in trashcans rather than toilets and still wasn't potty trained by 8yrs. Abused but differently.

 

[1HogFan]

I haven't caught up reading, but I just want to say that I've been doing what I can to help.

I've posted missing posters at gas stations and truck stops along my delivery route. All the way from Ozark, Arkansas to Fort Smith and up north to Fayetteville and into Jane, Missouri. I will be posting more tonight and try to cover the truck stops in Oklahoma and Missouri on our routes. I've talked to SEVERAL OTR truck drivers and they made copies of the poster to take with them. They also said they would share with friends. Husband and I have been to three state parks/marinas and talked to people, also leaving posters with them. I have a family member who used to live in Guatemala and she has shared this info with everyone she knows in South/Central America and Mexico. I have forwarded info to our local church's missionary families who are currently serving in Mexico.

I feel like I really don't know what to do or where to look, so I'm just trying to cover as much area as possible.

Also, I was driving home at 1:30 this morning and about had a heart attack when a silver Nissan Rouge with a Tennessee temp tag passed me on Interstate 49 North, just outside of Fayetteville, AR. I sped up and followed. It wasn't them.

My heart is absolutely broken for both Elizabeth's family and TC's family. I can't imagine the pain they are going through right now.

Fifteen years ago, my uncle, who was a highly decorated retired marine with 28 years of service, was arrested and convicted of some truly horrific crimes. Thankfully, he will die in prison. But, what he did and hid from all of us pulled the rug out from under our family and made us question everything we knew about our lives and ourselves, personally. It drove a wedge between certain family members and we still haven't recovered from it.

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[Deleted member 155000]

The 19yr was sexually abused by a 60yr man while in her mother's care. The court actually said she looked like a cult victim of severe abuse. Sadly because she was older than 18 the court couldn't help her. Her mother helped her to marry a boy she had dated for 6 months to protect the 60yr man. There is so much to this story you cannot judge it by the fake interview on tv.

Kat, thank you so, so much for coming here. I know you are under a lot of strain, so it is with the deepest respect and most compassion that I wonder if you should publicly talk about your sisters' sexual abuse online. It is obvious who you are talking about, so their identities are not being protected in these conversations and I know this has been deeply wounding to other victims.

Just a thought. Bless you in this hard time.


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[Kakidoll]

MCE's Sister,
For what its worth, i think there were VERY few, if any, that believed the interview with your mother. We could see right thru it... so please do not let it bother any of you.

 

[KKearns]

Good points

And as much as we dont want to think it occurs there are situations where a parent can favor certain children over another. Which could cause dramatically different views that the children have.

There was even a case on Dr. Phil recently where one child was kept locked in a closet for a very long time. I think years if I am not mistaken. The other kids were treated reasonably well but this one child for whatever reason was treated horribly by the same parents.

The parents even convinced the siblings to treat that child differently.

Well with my mom there was no abuse or anything, but my biological father was killed when I was young, my daddy adopted me, my sister is his daughter.

My grandmother told me I would always be the outsider, they would be a family. I'm sure some was the grief of losing her very obvious favorite child. All my aunts an uncles would laugh and joke about how they knew he was the favorite, they were all grown up when he was born.

So I think my grandmother was trying to keep a connection with him through me, but it made me angry as an adult. She made me see as a child, differences that really weren't there and that was burned in my brain. She did that when I was 5 until 15. I was ill equipped to think that through logically and couldn't tell my mom. I didn't want my mom to have her feelings hurt by my grandmother saying something bad about her.

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[Hatfield]

Dog the Bounty Hunter is on the case according to help page

That is good. If he is doing pro-bono then I would consider hiring my own just to be sure focus is given where it should be.

I do like him though and I do think he does try to really help.

 

[gitana1]

I'm trying my best to stay caught up. I'm an open book to begin with and will try my best. The only situation that upset me was the stupidity that happened last night. Thankfully that stopped quickly

What stupidity happened, guys?

I haven't caught up reading, but I just want to say that I've been doing what I can to help.

I've posted missing posters at gas stations and truck stops along my delivery route. All the way from Ozark, Arkansas to Fort Smith and up north to Fayetteville and into Jane, Missouri. I will be posting more tonight and try to cover the truck stops in Oklahoma and Missouri on our routes. I've talked to SEVERAL OTR truck drivers and they made copies of the poster to take with them. They also said they would share with friends. Husband and I have been to three state parks/marinas and talked to people, also leaving posters with them. I have a family member who used to live in Guatemala and she has shared this info with everyone she knows in South/Central America and Mexico. I have forwarded info to our local church's missionary families who are currently serving in Mexico.

I feel like I really don't know what to do or where to look, so I'm just trying to cover as much area as possible.

Also, I was driving home at 1:30 this morning and about had a heart attack when a silver Nissan Rouge with a Tennessee temp tag passed me on Interstate 49 North, just outside of Fayetteville, AR. I sped up and followed. It wasn't them.

My heart is absolutely broken for both Elizabeth's family and TC's family. I can't imagine the pain they are going through right now.

Fifteen years ago, my uncle, who was a highly decorated retired marine with 28 years of service, was arrested and convicted of some truly horrific crimes. Thankfully, he will die in prison. But, what he did and hid from all of us pulled the rug out from under our family and made us question everything we knew about our lives and ourselves, personally. It drove a wedge between certain family members and we still haven't recovered from it.

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My gosh, you are a hero!!!!!!!! If everyone could and did do what you're doing, they'd be found pretty quickly.

That being said, I had this weird feeling flit across me today that she's going to be found soon. Fingers crossed and praying.

 

[indianwin2001]

Kat--Did you ever meet or have any inter-action with TC and if so what was your observations.