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[prima.facie]

Rock Center with Brian Williams talked about Scientology tonight...it was interesting. If you missed it, maybe they will have the vid on NBC....

 

[PAXIMUS]

Here is a spiritual conflict that I struggle with everyday, I would like to share it and maybe those wiser than I can shed some light and share with me what they would do. What if deep inside of you there was something you know you NEEDED to do to finally find peace and without doing it you know you will continue to struggle with why you have not done it yet because you know once you do it will finally bring you the peace and happiness and spiritual balance your heart yearns for, but here is the catch, in order to do it you have to become selfish and not think of the people and things you love, you must leave it all behind all the people you love and love you all of your things and my cat =(, it all must be abandoned so that I can go and do this thing that I know needs to be done for me to find peace but by the time I do it most everyone I love will be gone, probably dead and I will never get to see them again. Do you forsake it all and do what is best for you or do you sacrifice that peace and happiness and remain with your loved ones to care for them in their time of need.

Chew on that for a bit and tell me what you think is the answer. It is a war that goes on in my soul everyday tearing me apart but I have continued to sacrifice my own needs and happiness and peace to make sure those I love are ok and cared for properly in their old age and time of need. And by the time they no longer need me it will likely be too late for me to do what I need to do, without saying what that is it is basically now or never for me.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Paximus I have been following this thread as a reader only. I finally had to post just to tell you what a light you are.

Well thank you that means a lot, I am sure it may seem that way with my gift of gab but make no mistake I am as screwed up and conflicted as the worst of them lol.

But I do appreciate that, thank you very much.

 

[prima.facie]

Here is a spiritual conflict that I struggle with everyday, I would like to share it and maybe those wiser than I can shed some light and share with me what they would do. What if deep inside of you there was something you know you NEEDED to do to finally find peace and without doing it you know you will continue to struggle with why you have not done it yet because you know once you do it will finally bring you the peace and happiness and spiritual balance your heart yearns for, but here is the catch, in order to do it you have to become selfish and not think of the people and things you love, you must leave it all behind all the people you love and love you all of your things and my cat =(, it all must be abandoned so that I can go and do this thing that I know needs to be done for me to find peace but by the time I do it most everyone I love will be gone, probably dead and I will never get to see them again. Do you forsake it all and do what is best for you or do you sacrifice that peace and happiness and remain with your loved ones to care for them in their time of need.

Chew on that for a bit and tell me what you think is the answer. It is a war that goes on in my soul everyday tearing me apart but I have continued to sacrifice my own needs and happiness and peace to make sure those I love are ok and cared for properly in their old age and time of need. And by the time they no longer need me it will likely be too late for me to do what I need to do, without saying what that is it is basically now or never for me.

i dont have an answer....but i know it must be a horrible position to be in. on one hand id say go w/ your gut and your heart and whatever it is you long for - pursue it.....eventually you have to live for yourself and not others....on the other hand i get feeling obligated and passionate about being there for your loved ones...that is admirable and honorable and shows your compassion and heart full of love....

with that said, i believe you will be greatly rewarded standing so closely by your family in their time of need and sacrificing your needs and desires.....whether it is in the now or later on....i believe you will find what it is you need and seek....in perfect timing....

you never know what tomorrow holds....you could have both....

im sure ^^ that is of no help, but know that the position you are in is understandable and probably othes can relate too....

dum spiro, spero

 

[Steely Dan]

Rock Center with Brian Williams talked about Scientology tonight...it was interesting. If you missed it, maybe they will have the vid on NBC....

If you've been following this thread and reading or watching most of the stuff posted then it really holds no new information. JMO

Here is a spiritual conflict that I struggle with everyday, I would like to share it and maybe those wiser than I can shed some light and share with me what they would do. What if deep inside of you there was something you know you NEEDED to do to finally find peace and without doing it you know you will continue to struggle with why you have not done it yet because you know once you do it will finally bring you the peace and happiness and spiritual balance your heart yearns for, but here is the catch, in order to do it you have to become selfish and not think of the people and things you love, you must leave it all behind all the people you love and love you all of your things and my cat =(, it all must be abandoned so that I can go and do this thing that I know needs to be done for me to find peace but by the time I do it most everyone I love will be gone, probably dead and I will never get to see them again. Do you forsake it all and do what is best for you or do you sacrifice that peace and happiness and remain with your loved ones to care for them in their time of need.

Chew on that for a bit and tell me what you think is the answer. It is a war that goes on in my soul everyday tearing me apart but I have continued to sacrifice my own needs and happiness and peace to make sure those I love are ok and cared for properly in their old age and time of need. And by the time they no longer need me it will likely be too late for me to do what I need to do, without saying what that is it is basically now or never for me.

It depends on what you're talking about. If anything is illegal, forget about doing anything like it.

If it's a disconnect from the church and you'll lose all of those in the COS then do it. JMO

 

[prima.facie]

If you've been following this thread and reading or watching most of the stuff posted then it really holds no new information. JMO

i admit, i havent been able to watch everything...

 

[Steely Dan]

i admit, i havent been able to watch everything...

Sorry PF, I wasn't aiming that at you as much as those who have been following these things. I just wanted them to know it's not worth searching for.

 

[gitana1]

IMO it is because even adults are seeking direction in their life...seeking something to fill a void....seeking solutions to problems in their life....and so on. im not sure how an adult seeking out scientology is any different than an adult seeking out christianity......they both promise a reward for doing something....they both promise to fullfill whatever it is one is seeking.

I find it very easy to understand how and why people fall for things like this....

I think there is a difference between cults and regular religions. Cults demand all or most of the the members' assets. They often hide doctrine from the cult members until a certain point. They demand that cult members not associate in any way with people outside the cult, except to bring them into it or to do something else that benefits the cult. Etc., etc.

I don't think there is necessarily a difference between an adult seeking answers via scientology or Christianity, but I think there is a difference in the people who are drawn to and decide to stay in a Christian church ( or any other religion that doesn't sell salvation) and the COS. Huge difference.

Yes, yes I agree and what is even more troubling at least to me is IF he is gay, and that is fine if he is really, but he has no business shilling for the COS if he is as the COS is probably the most homophobe organization in the world, they claim they can CURE homosexuality, so it would seem that IF he is gay he is using the COS as well as wife and kids as a cover to distract everyone from it. And that is indeed troubling.

But you know, I really like JT I just wish he would come out and be done with it, he is a great talent and from what I have heard and experienced myself he really is a nice guy in person, genuine and thoughtful.

He seems like a genuinely nice person. TC has always bothered me. I have always sensed cruelty behind his eyes, don't ask me why. But JT is different.

I feel sorry for him and for his family. They have been through a lot.

Here is a spiritual conflict that I struggle with everyday, I would like to share it and maybe those wiser than I can shed some light and share with me what they would do. What if deep inside of you there was something you know you NEEDED to do to finally find peace and without doing it you know you will continue to struggle with why you have not done it yet because you know once you do it will finally bring you the peace and happiness and spiritual balance your heart yearns for, but here is the catch, in order to do it you have to become selfish and not think of the people and things you love, you must leave it all behind all the people you love and love you all of your things and my cat =(, it all must be abandoned so that I can go and do this thing that I know needs to be done for me to find peace but by the time I do it most everyone I love will be gone, probably dead and I will never get to see them again. Do you forsake it all and do what is best for you or do you sacrifice that peace and happiness and remain with your loved ones to care for them in their time of need.

Chew on that for a bit and tell me what you think is the answer. It is a war that goes on in my soul everyday tearing me apart but I have continued to sacrifice my own needs and happiness and peace to make sure those I love are ok and cared for properly in their old age and time of need. And by the time they no longer need me it will likely be too late for me to do what I need to do, without saying what that is it is basically now or never for me.

Here's my answer. Unless one's loved ones are abusive, a person can definitely find peace without giving up everyone they love, including their pets and family, not seeing them ever again. There just absolutely is a way to find peace without giving all of that up. You just have to figure out how to find that peace while remaining among those you love. :twocents:

 

[PAXIMUS]

i dont have an answer....but i know it must be a horrible position to be in. on one hand id say go w/ your gut and your heart and whatever it is you long for - pursue it.....eventually you have to live for yourself and not others....on the other hand i get feeling obligated and passionate about being there for your loved ones...that is admirable and honorable and shows your compassion and heart full of love....

with that said, i believe you will be greatly rewarded standing so closely by your family in their time of need and sacrificing your needs and desires.....whether it is in the now or later on....i believe you will find what it is you need and seek....in perfect timing....

you never know what tomorrow holds....you could have both....

im sure ^^ that is of no help, but know that the position you are in is understandable and probably othes can relate too....

dum spiro, spero

Good advice and remember its not how many breaths you take that defines a life but rather the moments that take your breath away.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I think there is a difference between cults and regular religions. Cults demand all or most of the the members' assets. They often hide doctrine from the cult members until a certain point. They demand that cult members not associate in any way with people outside the cult, except to bring them into it or to do something else that benefits the cult. Etc., etc.

I don't think there is necessarily a difference between an adult seeking answers via scientology or Christianity, but I think there is a difference in the people who are drawn to and decide to stay in a Christian church ( or any other religion that doesn't sell salvation) and the COS. Huge difference.



He seems like a genuinely nice person. TC has always bothered me. I have always sensed cruelty behind his eyes, don't ask me why. But JT is different.

I feel sorry for him and for his family. They have been through a lot.



Here's my answer. Unless one's loved ones are abusive, a person can definitely find peace without giving up everyone they love, including their pets and family, not seeing them ever again. There just absolutely is a way to find peace without giving all of that up. You just have to figure out how to find that peace while remaining among those you love. :twocents:

This is true and what I have been doing so far I am not miserable but there is something I really want and need to do that would require leaving it all and so fr I just cant bring myself to do it, I was raised to take care of family first and worry about own needs later, its the service to others indoctrination of the Catholic Church I grew up in LOL.

 

[PAXIMUS]

If you've been following this thread and reading or watching most of the stuff posted then it really holds no new information. JMO



It depends on what you're talking about. If anything is illegal, forget about doing anything like it.

If it's a disconnect from the church and you'll lose all of those in the COS then do it. JMO

Nah nothing illegal it more involves leaving everything behind to study as a monk in Tibet which is a dream of mine and something I have always wanted to do or staying here and taking care of aging parents which is what I will likely do. They deserve not that I dont deserve happines but I do get some pleasure and happiness knowing they will grow old and sick an die in the comfort of their own home and bed instead of a nursing home or institution which I would not be able to bear, even though I really want and need to take this spiritual quest and become a monk and accomplish things spiritually and mentally that is very hard to do within society and all the distractions it offers.


But as an Italian blood runs deep and family always comes first even if it is at the expense of my own dreams, FWIW my ageing parents want me to go but that is only because they love me and they both sacrificed most of their prime years caring for their own aging parents instead of putting them in nursing homes even though it was hard on them they do not regret that they did that for them.

 

[21merc7]

I have a confession to make. I was thinking about TC and actually feeling sorry for him. Looking at all these articles, and then hearing on t.v. that he at one point tried to study to be a priest in the Catholic Church (very young age), I saw a nicer but confused young man. I wondered if his home life was difficult in any way. I remembered thinking the larger philosophical thoughts as a very young child (6) and crying about it a lot, my family life was very abusive. I wanted to run away to become a nun to get away from it. We weren't even Catholic. I actually tried to run away at age 2. :sigh:

TC has had 3 marriages, all of which appear mismatched. I don't know if 1 and 2 were chosen, we know 3 was. Maybe he justs wants to be loved and accepted. He lets others make all his choices for him now so he does not have to bother. This strikes me as sad, someone that is not looking at himself, searching his soul, as CoS would imply is their practice.

Confession:

I had a dream about him - not *that* kind of dream, hahaha! We met some weird dream way, can't remember. I just looked at him and said something about childhood home life, some question. He was shocked. I said "Yeah, I know who you are." I was pretending not to know who he is. Next thing you know, we are just hanging out and sharing stories about our lives and being pals. He seemed to really light up, and seemed relieved to meet someone that did not judge and only cared to help him be himself. The end.

As far as either person being gay, I have no idea. I think TC is simply asexual, not that interested either way. Don't know if it is b/c of experiences or just who he is and he is more interested in work, but that is what I think. It makes no difference to me either way.

I have worked in gay clubs and restaurants back some 20 years ago. I felt safe around gay men, but believe me, some are simply bi -so that got shot down. At any rate, you would be surprised the number of married gay men. Their wives know and are okay with it, they have children (don't know if the children know). I'm not sure if the wives just want the house, car, paycheck, security, or maybe they have 3 way parties-hehe. I really don't know that part. I just know that there are generations that cannot let society know they are gay as they will be ostracized and lose their hard earned jobs/positions. In fact, some of that still happens today. So, as long as wives know and are okay with it, who are we to care? If they don't know, they must not have much of a relationship to begin with.

 

[21merc7]

Any news on Herber?

 

[21merc7]

Pax

The decision is yours to make. You only live 1 short life, regrets of things not done or done are where I start making a list of pros and cons for each side. I have always thought it is easy to be a monk, no distractions to test your spiritual strength. I have desired that kind of retreat from life and others many times. I do think I would be a better person if I devoted my life to that, but what kind of life would it be? Would I be able to share my knowledge with my loved ones and others? Would my knowledge be any more profound if lived in silence? I don't know, I have come to peace with my past or current wrong deeds. I don't live my life fully spiritually everyday, but I like me, good and bad.

 

[Steely Dan]

I have a confession to make. I was thinking about TC and actually feeling sorry for him. Looking at all these articles, and then hearing on t.v. that he at one point tried to study to be a priest in the Catholic Church (very young age), I saw a nicer but confused young man. I wondered if his home life was difficult in any way. I remembered thinking the larger philosophical thoughts as a very young child (6) and crying about it a lot, my family life was very abusive. I wanted to run away to become a nun to get away from it. We weren't even Catholic. I actually tried to run away at age 2. :sigh:

TC has had 3 marriages, all of which appear mismatched. I don't know if 1 and 2 were chosen, we know 3 was. Maybe he justs wants to be loved and accepted. He lets others make all his choices for him now so he does not have to bother. This strikes me as sad, someone that is not looking at himself, searching his soul, as CoS would imply is their practice.

Confession:

I had a dream about him - not *that* kind of dream, hahaha! We met some weird dream way, can't remember. I just looked at him and said something about childhood home life, some question. He was shocked. I said "Yeah, I know who you are." I was pretending not to know who he is. Next thing you know, we are just hanging out and sharing stories about our lives and being pals. He seemed to really light up, and seemed relieved to meet someone that did not judge and only cared to help him be himself. The end.

As far as either person being gay, I have no idea. I think TC is simply asexual, not that interested either way. Don't know if it is b/c of experiences or just who he is and he is more interested in work, but that is what I think. It makes no difference to me either way.

I have worked in gay clubs and restaurants back some 20 years ago. I felt safe around gay men, but believe me, some are simply bi -so that got shot down. At any rate, you would be surprised the number of married gay men. Their wives know and are okay with it, they have children (don't know if the children know). I'm not sure if the wives just want the house, car, paycheck, security, or maybe they have 3 way parties-hehe. I really don't know that part. I just know that there are generations that cannot let society know they are gay as they will be ostracized and lose their hard earned jobs/positions. In fact, some of that still happens today. So, as long as wives know and are okay with it, who are we to care? If they don't know, they must not have much of a relationship to begin with.

BBM

:hug:

I'm sorry to hear about that. It seems you've overcome it very well. :rocker:

 

[SyraKelly]

a couple of things I wanted to share- TC wanted to be a monk & priest. There are some articles out there that TC claimed his father treated him really bad as a child.
Today is the memorial for Alex-may he RIP & his mother find the answers of what happened.There is still no news about Heber-maybe they will all write about today-I'll keep checking

Off to read the Freeh report on Sandusky!!

 

[Fairy1]

Rock Center with Brian Williams talked about Scientology tonight...it was interesting. If you missed it, maybe they will have the vid on NBC....

As Steely said, there was no information in the segment that would be new to what we've been reading/watching here the past couple of weeks.

What was VERY interesting to me is what the reporter (forget her name) who did the story said after. That they had received, I believe, 25 letters from COS attorneys and TC's attorneys asking them NOT to do the story. Right up to showtime.

It must make these people absolutely CRAZY that they can't control the rest of the world as they do their members! Gosh, that must be frustrating.

 

[gitana1]

I have a confession to make. I was thinking about TC and actually feeling sorry for him. Looking at all these articles, and then hearing on t.v. that he at one point tried to study to be a priest in the Catholic Church (very young age), I saw a nicer but confused young man. I wondered if his home life was difficult in any way. I remembered thinking the larger philosophical thoughts as a very young child (6) and crying about it a lot, my family life was very abusive. I wanted to run away to become a nun to get away from it. We weren't even Catholic. I actually tried to run away at age 2. :sigh:

TC has had 3 marriages, all of which appear mismatched. I don't know if 1 and 2 were chosen, we know 3 was. Maybe he justs wants to be loved and accepted. He lets others make all his choices for him now so he does not have to bother. This strikes me as sad, someone that is not looking at himself, searching his soul, as CoS would imply is their practice.

Confession:

I had a dream about him - not *that* kind of dream, hahaha! We met some weird dream way, can't remember. I just looked at him and said something about childhood home life, some question. He was shocked. I said "Yeah, I know who you are." I was pretending not to know who he is. Next thing you know, we are just hanging out and sharing stories about our lives and being pals. He seemed to really light up, and seemed relieved to meet someone that did not judge and only cared to help him be himself. The end.

As far as either person being gay, I have no idea. I think TC is simply asexual, not that interested either way. Don't know if it is b/c of experiences or just who he is and he is more interested in work, but that is what I think. It makes no difference to me either way.

I have worked in gay clubs and restaurants back some 20 years ago. I felt safe around gay men, but believe me, some are simply bi -so that got shot down. At any rate, you would be surprised the number of married gay men. Their wives know and are okay with it, they have children (don't know if the children know). I'm not sure if the wives just want the house, car, paycheck, security, or maybe they have 3 way parties-hehe. I really don't know that part. I just know that there are generations that cannot let society know they are gay as they will be ostracized and lose their hard earned jobs/positions. In fact, some of that still happens today. So, as long as wives know and are okay with it, who are we to care? If they don't know, they must not have much of a relationship to begin with.

You have a good soul, Merc.

TC has discussed his abusive background, so you were dead on. I guess you saw something in him.

Maybe what I am seeing in TC is not cruelty but deep anger and pain. It makes perfect sense that he would be searching for a way to heal his heart.

 

[SyraKelly]

This is big from what I understand-sorry-you have scroll up to read story

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/treason-assignment-david-miscavige/#comments

 

[gitana1]

The language in this article is incredible. It's a must read: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS...-feminist-hero/story?id=16768538#.UABS1vXmCSq