Tommy has no recollection of Joe dumping Haleigh's body

[Chablis]

Chablis, I totally respect your thoughts on the subject, always have, however IMHO Ron C is nothing but a coward.. Nothing to fear..How much courage is involved in lying about what really happened to your daughter?
And WHY would anyone in LE ever allow anyone to believe for a nanosecond they have been outsmarted by the likes of a wannabe gangsta like Ronald Cummings no matter how volatile they may think he is? If Ronald Cummings has LE singing to his tune, they need to hang up their guns, take off their badges, turn in their ID's and walk out the building... They have stolen enough of the tax payer's dollars...JMJHO
JMO

What if Ron really had all those guns and a semi automatic machine gun? That is something to fear, especially when you are dealing with someone who has a temper, and a drug problem, which I am sure the cops have been well aware of for years.

 

[Emeralgem]

What if Ron really had all those guns and a semi automatic machine gun? That is something to fear, especially when you are dealing with someone who has a temper, and a drug problem, which I am sure the cops have been well aware of for years.

I maintain my stance IF the cops are afraid of Ronald Cummings they need to hang it up..resign..walk out...They don't deserve a paycheck..They are wasting the tax payer's dollars..PUTNAM COUNTY needs a Buford Pusser...JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

IMO, Misty & Tommy have both admitted that Haleigh is, to the best of their knowledge, good & dead & dumped in the river. IMO, They have withheld information all along - for more than a year - that would have helped LE, Haleigh's family, etc.. Would have saved investigation time and money. Would have saved families unknown suffering – had they admitted they knew Haleigh was dead from the get go.

Per their story(s) - conveniently - Joe used Timmy’s truck, and they both had their eyes closed when Joe killed her. Their excuse for not telling is fear for their lives and their family’s lives. Fear of Little Joe the child murderer.

One would think that Haleigh's family would be livid. One would think that Ron would be wild with rage and revenge.

Where's the livid? Where's the rage? Why is this family cool as a cucumber upon hearing of Haleigh's watery grave? Why is Flora more upset than Annette?

Sometimes I wonder if they moved Tommy over into Ron’s jail territory to see if Ron would intimidate or approach Tommy, seeing as how Tommy’s admitted that he saw Haleigh dead or dying yet never told Ron about it for more than a year…Ron might be a little ready to have at Tommy - at least verbally. Ron did say he’d kill whoever, and he’d not care about the consequences ….

So... if Ron’s not livid and demanding answers from Tommy every day in the greybar –

Why?

Is Ron not allowed to approach Tommy & vice versa?

Yet, Tommy complains about LE in jail pressuring him for Haleigh info. But not Ron. Is hot-head Ron just "cool"?

If so - Why?

Oh, and Why do I have so many questions? :crazy:

 

[dodie20]

IMO, Misty & Tommy have both admitted that Haleigh is, to the best of their knowledge, good & dead & dumped in the river. IMO, They have withheld information all along - for more than a year - that would have helped LE, Haleigh's family, etc.. Would have saved investigation time and money. Would have saved families unknown suffering – had they admitted they knew Haleigh was dead from the get go.

Per their story(s) - conveniently - Joe used Timmy’s truck, and they both had their eyes closed when Joe killed her. Their excuse for not telling is fear for their lives and their family’s lives. Fear of Little Joe the child murderer.

One would think that Haleigh's family would be livid. One would think that Ron would be wild with rage and revenge.

Where's the livid? Where's the rage? Why is this family cool as a cucumber upon hearing of Haleigh's watery grave? Why is Flora more upset than Annette?

Sometimes I wonder if they moved Tommy over into Ron’s jail territory to see if Ron would intimidate or approach Tommy, seeing as how Tommy’s admitted that he saw Haleigh dead or dying yet never told Ron about it for more than a year…Ron might be a little ready to have at Tommy - at least verbally. Ron did say he’d kill whoever, and he’d not care about the consequences ….

So... if Ron’s not livid and demanding answers from Tommy every day in the greybar –

Why?

Is Ron not allowed to approach Tommy & vice versa?

Yet, Tommy complains about LE in jail pressuring him for Haleigh info. But not Ron. Is hot-head Ron just "cool"?

If so - Why?

Oh, and Why do I have so many questions? :crazy:

not only is Ron not livid, he's defending Misty. weird. But, he could be acting like this, on his lawyer's advice, to avoid any more trouble. Because if we know nothing else, we know that Ron is always looking out for his own best interests.

 

[Searchfortruth]

not only is Ron not livid, he's defending Misty. weird. But, he could be acting like this, on his lawyer's advice, to avoid any more trouble. Because if we know nothing else, we know that Ron is always looking out for his own best interests.

The only plausible reason I can come up with, for Ron's continued support of Misty, is that she has the goods on him (just like he has something on her). I don't for one minute believe that ANY of these jailed players have any loyalty, to any of the others. The only thing that makes sense, is they all have a part in this. Any one of them would have squealed, by now, if they had nothing to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

 

[lonetraveler]

Ok, I've put part of my thoughts in a theory months ago but now Tommy has come forth and changed his story to "he has no recollection of Joe dumping Haleigh's body". My theory from long ago suggested that one of Ron's relatives was to come up to the dock in a boat and take Haleigh's body into the boat and take off on the river. Maybe a gun was promised to Joe and Tommy if they would do this "thing" for Ron, now we know that Ron skunked out of his end of the bargain, hid the gun in the culvert, ended up taking it out, cleaning it first and giving it to LE. It could easily have been Timmy and Tommy doing this deed instead of Joe being involved...:waitasec: Or Timmy and/or Tommy could have just been the cleanup team for drugs/guns/pot plants. And, someone was already planning on pinning this on one of the Croslins..........

In the beginning when LE were using dogs, they tracked to the boat docks. That same person could have easily picked up Haleigh from this spot as well as the boat ramp. Maybe Tommy and Misty picked the wrong boat ramp on purpose so that the infamous story could be repeated about watching the gators eat small animals. This story was told by Ron to Art, I think. It was also told by Tommy and Co. I bet Joe is probably the only one who has not told it.:innocent: Teresa and Annette were told by Flo Hollars that LE were going to search at the boat ramp prior to LE starting the search. FLo claims that Misty told her to call the Cummings and let them know. Why? Teresa and Annette immediately went to the area to "search"? Or maybe they planted some evidence so that the story could have a bit more evidence to back it up, who know? I have always thought that a family member of Ron took Haleigh and laid her to rest in a peaceful place that only family knows about. I absolutely do not believe that she was thrown into a river, uh uh!

I think that Tommy told LE anything and everything to get out of jail. He decided to adopt Misty's story and adlib. It hasn't worked, nothing was found IMO to help this case at that boat ramp. Now Tommy has to backtrack (crawfish) on his story.

 

[lonetraveler]

IMO, Misty & Tommy have both admitted that Haleigh is, to the best of their knowledge, good & dead & dumped in the river. IMO, They have withheld information all along - for more than a year - that would have helped LE, Haleigh's family, etc.. Would have saved investigation time and money. Would have saved families unknown suffering – had they admitted they knew Haleigh was dead from the get go.

Per their story(s) - conveniently - Joe used Timmy’s truck, and they both had their eyes closed when Joe killed her. Their excuse for not telling is fear for their lives and their family’s lives. Fear of Little Joe the child murderer.

One would think that Haleigh's family would be livid. One would think that Ron would be wild with rage and revenge.

Where's the livid? Where's the rage? Why is this family cool as a cucumber upon hearing of Haleigh's watery grave? Why is Flora more upset than Annette?

Sometimes I wonder if they moved Tommy over into Ron’s jail territory to see if Ron would intimidate or approach Tommy, seeing as how Tommy’s admitted that he saw Haleigh dead or dying yet never told Ron about it for more than a year…Ron might be a little ready to have at Tommy - at least verbally. Ron did say he’d kill whoever, and he’d not care about the consequences ….

So... if Ron’s not livid and demanding answers from Tommy every day in the greybar –

Why?

Is Ron not allowed to approach Tommy & vice versa?

Yet, Tommy complains about LE in jail pressuring him for Haleigh info. But not Ron. Is hot-head Ron just "cool"?

If so - Why?

Oh, and Why do I have so many questions? :crazy:

You are so right, Ron does not show rage at the stories told by both Misty and Tommy, and I think it is because he knows exactly what happened to Haleigh and he knows where she was laid to rest. However, Tommy has probably built up a real head of steam by now. He has lost his wife and family, freedom and he and his little sister may be in jail for most of the rest of their lives. He may be the one enraged. I truly wish that he would take an inch of hide off of Ron's dirty shorted butt. I would like to see him take all his frustrations out on Ron. Actually, I would pay to see it. TEE HEE.

 

[Whisperer]

Ron said he was disappointed with misty. That rage of his needs to be contained...

 

[Whisperer]

Ok, I've put part of my thoughts in a theory months ago but now Tommy has come forth and changed his story to "he has no recollection of Joe dumping Haleigh's body". My theory from long ago suggested that one of Ron's relatives was to come up to the dock in a boat and take Haleigh's body into the boat and take off on the river. Maybe a gun was promised to Joe and Tommy if they would do this "thing" for Ron, now we know that Ron skunked out of his end of the bargain, hid the gun in the culvert, ended up taking it out, cleaning it first and giving it to LE. It could easily have been Timmy and Tommy doing this deed instead of Joe being involved...:waitasec: Or Timmy and/or Tommy could have just been the cleanup team for drugs/guns/pot plants. And, someone was already planning on pinning this on one of the Croslins..........

In the beginning when LE were using dogs, they tracked to the boat docks. That same person could have easily picked up Haleigh from this spot as well as the boat ramp. Maybe Tommy and Misty picked the wrong boat ramp on purpose so that the infamous story could be repeated about watching the gators eat small animals. This story was told by Ron to Art, I think. It was also told by Tommy and Co. I bet Joe is probably the only one who has not told it.:innocent: Teresa and Annette were told by Flo Hollars that LE were going to search at the boat ramp prior to LE starting the search. FLo claims that Misty told her to call the Cummings and let them know. Why? Teresa and Annette immediately went to the area to "search"? Or maybe they planted some evidence so that the story could have a bit more evidence to back it up, who know? I have always thought that a family member of Ron took Haleigh and laid her to rest in a peaceful place that only family knows about. I absolutely do not believe that she was thrown into a river, uh uh!
I think that Tommy told LE anything and everything to get out of jail. He decided to adopt Misty's story and adlib. It hasn't worked, nothing was found IMO to help this case at that boat ramp. Now Tommy has to backtrack (crawfish) on his story.

I never mentioned before but I received a strange message stating exactly that. The person has never participated in any case here on this board. It sounded foreign but said exactly what you just posted in the bold print. It said she was wrapped in a blanket, dressed very nicely and buried.

.....I received this msg about 16 months ago.

 

[lonetraveler]

Does anyone remember Ron's story to Cobra that Joe stole the pistol (under Misty's pillow) the very first day that Ron met him? That Ron wanted to crush his hands when he found out?


Well, it this happened the very first day that Ron met him, when did Joe go fishing with Ron and make the comments about the gators? Joe was only there two weeks and I can't imagine Joe wanting to go fishing with Ron at a gator hole after being caught stealing Ron's gun and Ron wanting to crush his hands.:waitasec: Ron told the story to Cobra like he was with Joe when Joe said this gator thing.........................I really believe that Ron has lied more than any of them.

 

[Whisperer]

In my mind, this would not be likely because of time restraints...but I thought I would throw that out there. I think this was a quick death and very quick disposal but I would like to remain open to all possibilities.

 

[Whisperer]

Yes, LT, I remember that. Ron is an accomplished liar but he projects an awful lot which is so typical of an alcoholic/drug addict.

When rc was speaking of the water and a good place to throw a body, it was himself he was talking about not JO. He took something that he himself said to people and then projected it on to JO as saying it. Rc is the one that has told people that the Dunn's Creek Bridge would be the perfect place to throw a body because it would never be found.

This is how addicts behave. They take their own faults and transfer them onto someoby else....Classic Behavior. Any person who has been around them for any lenght of time will be witness to this. At times the victim will think they themselves are crazy.

 

[lonetraveler]

I never mentioned before but I received a strange message stating exactly that. The person has never participated in any case here on this board. It sounded foreign but said exactly what you just posted in the bold print. It said she was wrapped in a blanket, dressed very nicely and buried.

.....I received this msg about 16 months ago.

Whisper, I will swear on a stack of bibles that I did not send that message. I did however, discuss this a few times in the theory thread and I think maybe even the old rumor thread. I also discussed Seven Sisters Island as a possible resting place on the dreams thread. Strange, in deed.

I have also discussed that if and that a bit IF, Haleigh was tied to two cinder blocks and put into the water at that boat ramp I would bet that the other end of the yellow rope was tied to one of the dock poles so that someone could take a boat right up to the pole and get her after Tommy, Joe or Ron left.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, LT, I remember that. Ron is an accomplished liar but he projects an awful lot which is so typical of an alcoholic/drug addict.

When rc was speaking of the water and a good place to throw a body, it was himself he was talking about not JO. He took something that he himself said to people and then projected it on to JO as saying it. Rc is the one that has told people that the Dunn's Creek Bridge would be the perfect place to throw a body because it would never be found.

This is how addicts behave. They take their own faults and transfer them onto someoby else....Classic Behavior. Any person who has been around them for any lenght of time will be witness to this. At times the victim will think they themselves are crazy.

ITA, it's amazing that both Misty and Tommy repeated Ron's story, isn't it?

 

[Whisperer]

Ron is a odd character. I would call him a Schizoid Personality. Saying that, I do not know what his involvement is. I have said he would act this way even if he didn't harm Haleigh. That is he problem. He is just plain weird.

Oh, and the Schizoid is not the complete dx. He is capable of harming anyone when his temper flares, imo, but can't place him at the scene. GMA has placed misty there and misty has placed misty there. Misty knows and perhaps rc knows but neither of these two are talking.......so far. Both of them are liars so what is going to happen?

LE admits to not having good GPS/technology evidence with this case, so both were able to not have the phone calls tracked for a definitive location. Tommy knows what happened imo because I think he would be the first one called to help. I also think tommy spent most nights over there when ron was at work. JO could play a very important part of all this. He just looks like he has problems. I know that is not the propler way to evaluate, it is just a gut reaction to his appearance. He looks like he has a fierce temper. He and ron both do...but rc may be able to hold back at times, where his would be more difficult for JO.

 

[Whisperer]

What does Tommy know? If ron were involved, he would give him up in a minute. If misty were invovled tommy wouldn't tell.

If JO is involved alone, tommy would spill. tommy has placed himself with JO...so there is a problem. If the crime happened at the MH, somebody had to dispose and somebody had to clean. misty mentioned on the 911 that she was cleaning. If you were as tired as misty said she was, you would not clean, unless something extremely huge was going on. She had to have a very good reason for doing laundry/cleaning.

I think TC had to go with JO for disposal (if it was JO because he did not know the area) and later got dropped off at the MH to help clean up, get rid of some drugs, weapons and straighen up.

My problem is why didn't rc kill one or more of the Croslins. RC is odd, but come on, this should have blown him away and right to tommys to get answers or to misty's throat if she didn't talk.

Right now misty is at the center and two or three men are right there with her. The entire PC is filled with possible leads to this case but LE just isn't getting a bite.

 

[krkrjx]

What does Tommy know? If ron were involved, he would give him up in a minute. If misty were invovled tommy wouldn't tell.

If JO is involved alone, tommy would spill. tommy has placed himself with JO...so there is a problem. If the crime happened at the MH, somebody had to dispose and somebody had to clean. misty mentioned on the 911 that she was cleaning. If you were as tired as misty said she was, you would not clean, unless something extremely huge was going on. She had to have a very good reason for doing laundry/cleaning.

I think TC had to go with JO for disposal (if it was JO because he did not know the area) and later got dropped off at the MH to help clean up, get rid of some drugs, weapons and straighen up.

My problem is why didn't rc kill one or more of the Croslins. RC is odd, but come on, this should have blown him away and right to tommys to get answers or to misty's throat if she didn't talk.

Right now misty is at the center and two or three men are right there with her. The entire PC is filled with possible leads to this case but LE just isn't getting a bite.

That's what bothers me. If Haleigh really was Ron's heart, why would he let any of these people slide if he even suspected they knew something, let alone if he thought one or more might be guilty. It just makes no sense that he didn't corner Misty or Tommy at some point and MAKE them talk. Or that he didn't go to Tenn. looking for JO. I think a lot of people might have even understood RC beating the tar out of a person he thought might have harmed his baby girl, maybe not condoned it but certainly understood what drove him to do it. The fact that RC did nothing to no one, plus continued to associate with these people, just floors me.

 

[Whisperer]

Instead of following the money, maybe we should be following the guns....

Where are all the guns ron had?

 

[Whisperer]

If the Berreta wasn't in the MH when LE arrived, Houston, we have a problem. Where did he/she stash his guns, etc? rc would protect his guns for sure. If they were illegal, somebody took them or hid them. If tommy helped clean up, he probably helped with some pain pills also...he sure went downhill after Feb 9.

I suggest rc mentioned the Berreta to LE because that one was legal. I think that was also the one rc hid in the culver/ditch. LE wanted it, so it eventually appeared clean and just found (stolen by JO, according to rc) and ready to hand over but not on Feb 10 a 4:00am.

 

[Snowbunny]

I never mentioned before but I received a strange message stating exactly that. The person has never participated in any case here on this board. It sounded foreign but said exactly what you just posted in the bold print. It said she was wrapped in a blanket, dressed very nicely and buried.

.....I received this msg about 16 months ago.

Whisperer did you forward that message to LE? If it was in email format they can track that person down by their IP address. Maybe this person really knows what happened.