Trial break: The State vs Jodi Arias; trial resumes 4 February 2013

[Apparition]

We have mods here that do a very good job making sure we follow the rules. I don't understand why there's been posts that create division, shaming and laying guilt trips on other posters. There are sexual elements to this case and pics of sexual body parts, and discussing them is somewhat necessary to figure out the events leading up to the crime. There's jokes to lighten the mood sometimes, but really, everyone seems to care deeply about getting Justice for Travis.

I agree, as much as a lurker new poster can

 

[PrincessSezMe]

Im completely lost


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Which season....I love that show .

 

[polleypockets]

The victim advocate has approached Katie to get her close perhaps and change the mind of Travis' for this reason on DP? It was my understanding that the fanily wanted DP but Katie might help sway them?

i might be wrong but from what i have read in arizona that after 25 years murder 1 can be up for parole - katie posted an article w/ her victim impact statement and she has fought so hard to keep them there - it was one of the most eloquent victim statement i have ever read

 

[atthelake]

Something isn't right with the defendant.

She over-killed the deceased. Imagine hitting him with a knife that many times, she had to have hit bone on the back of his head. Did she stop, no, she drove on brutally. She cleaned up and then drove for miles and miles, carrying on as if nothing happened. How the hello does someone do that ? No PTS, no guilt, no remorse. Started to take up with another guy. Drove herself back to Yreka. Called the deceased, left a phony message about hooking up at a later date. Turned that rental car in . Then eventually lied like all heck during the interrogation.

I repeat something is really wrong with someone who could do this.

No guilt, sorrow, remorse, heck probably not even any fall-out nightmares.

And driving around with the body in the car and blaming it on a squirrel...nevermind, another circumstantial case where the dots were not connected!, But perhaps Caylees legacy is so many people saw the pinheads could not connect the dots and will not let that hapen again. One juror explaining that is good for me on this trial!

 

[Sleuth13]

*NEED TO VENT* I'm in the midst of watching bits and pieces of testimony that I've missed this week and I'll tell you what - DT is far worse than I thought!! Where the h*ll are their exhibits??? Juan will pull out someone's deposition or specific document to "remind" them what they said and DT sits there acting shocked and amazed that he is asking questions about it! Pull out a freakin transcript already! I do not understand why a copy isn't on the desk for them to be referencing at all times. You called the damn witness - where are all his or her relevant documents?!?! It would sure as heck cut down on the amount of objections and sidebars!!! Stupid things that like drive me INSANE!!! JW has her mouth open constantly like she's offended or clueless and it's her own freakin fault!!

And while watching the end of Lisa's testimony again it really ticked me off how JW stood up and screamed her objection to the exhibit. Yes it was graphic and shocking, I am sensitive to TA's family and feel bad the THEM, but because guess what???! If DT were familiar with the trial exhibit #'s (for example even I know just from observing that exhibits 203-206ish are of TA's slit neck!!) - anyway if they knew the #'s or at a minimum kept a list of the exhibits on their desk for immediate reference, they would have known JM was going to show #205 and could have objected. He didn't just slap it down unannounced - he called the number out with several seconds notice! Ample time for an experienced trial atty and his team to object.

And lastly, JA brings her stupid little folder in everyday but clearly she hasn't a clue what's in it other than paper to doodle on!! If I was in her shoes I'd know every piece of paper, every photo, every exhibit, every document from the witnesses obtained in discovery, etc. for my own knowledge and to help my incompetent attorneys spare my life - literally! Does ANYONE at their table give a cr*p they are wasting time and money?? Guess not. Dumb question. My bad. It appears we have to suffer through inexcusable circumstances to demand justice.

This is all just my opinion of course And now that I've vented I think I'll go check out some more! LOL

 

[Curious Me]

I am fairly new here, so I sure apologize if I am in any way out of line. IMO the subject matter of this case is such that there is no way you can't talk about the sexual aspects. It is what the entire defense revolves around. And it was a fairly significant part of the prosecution's case as well. I have seen very little bashing of the victim in any way here (some but not a lot, and even less of a sexual nature anyway). The jokes might get a bit over the top sometimes, particularly when it comes to the defendant, but I trust the mods to step in and let folks know when and if things get out of hand.

I would hope that Travis's family has a good support system (like the victim's advocates) that would warn them away from participating or viewing any social media sights during this trial. But if they do, I don't think this forum would come across to them as not being supportive of what they're going through.

I'm very sorry that katie feels the way she does. She has been in their shoes, so she knows first hand what they are facing.



MOO.

Thank You. I was beginning to think I was the only one.

 

[Apparition]

it has to be stated during the phone call on tape that both parties agree it is being recorded - the fastest way out here to get a telemarketer off the phone is to say - i am recording this phone call

Ty for the advice on telemarketers, it will be put to good use. As far as the trial goes, you are saying the phone sex takes the DA so want will not be allowed? If so that is very good news

 

[AliVada]

I too am long time member here....and want this site to remain victim friendly to those who have suffered the loss of a loved one. I cringe when other posters call names....or get ugly even about the accused.

It is easy to get passionate about the injustice & get angry .... but to lose sight of the case we are discussing & be tacky is just wrong.

We should all when posting take a moment & be thoughtful that yes those unregistered guests could be family, I think we would be considerate to keep that possibility in mind

Kathy in Texas

 

[katiecoolady]

i might be wrong but from what i have read in arizona that after 25 years murder 1 can be up for parole - katie posted an article w/ her victim impact statement and she has fought so hard to keep them there - it was one of the most eloquent victim statement i have ever read

Thank you. In this case that statement, I was told was the one thing that kept him from being up for parole in now 2 years. (terror- this is the one it was proven who slit my sisters throat just like Jodi did Travis). He ONLY was considered for life WITH parole as that was the only lesser option when he was convicted . Now though we have lwOp. Huge difference. We just didn't have it then.

 

[amyfarrahfowler]

To be honest, I am not sure if she is histrionic and she could be sociopath but I do not think so. I do know that many of the same traits for sociopath come up in histrionic.

I would love to see what a psychologist has found.
Some things just do not add up for me in regards to sociopath for me.
Things like calling her a pathological liar. If you aren't going to confess or take responsibility for something like this of course you are going to lie your face off.
However, she doesn't have an extensive history of lieing. People have come forward with all kinds of things about her being obsessive but nothing about lieing.

Inappropriate sexual behavior is often mentioned by his friends. Even this is hard to read because what a Mormon versus the average 20 something sees as innappropriate can be different.

Rapidly shifting emotional states- this is another reason many see her as a sociopath but its also a trait of histrionic. We see a lot of this during her interviews.

Easily influenced by people- shifting religions so quickly, blinding putting so much faith in prepaid legal

one of the big ones that really makes me think its this instead of sociopath is
" belief that relationships are more intimate than they are"
even if Travis told her over and over they wouldnt be together she saw it differently and because he did not know how to deal with it or he was horny or whatever reason he kept sleeping with her

Very much agree with your reasoning here, JM84, esp BBM.

(Drat... once again, forgot to make a mental note of where I left off reading before previewing my post, and now have to go back and find it, again! :waitasec: Afraid I may NEVER catch up!:banghead

 

[polleypockets]

Actually that very post was the only one I've read tonite that made me cringe thinking the family could read it. It involves me in a total misrepresentation. Wonder why I question continuing to post here.

because the good you do far out weighs the possible misrepresentations a poster might make - i know my other post was long - but i hope you can read it - i meant every word!

 

[katiecoolady]

because the good you do far out weighs the possible misrepresentations a poster might make - i know my other post was long - but i hope you can read it - i meant every word!

I didn't see it..? I will go hunt it down now :seeya:

 

[Carol2]

Actually that very post was the only one I've read tonite that made me cringe thinking the family could read it. It involves me in a total misrepresentation. Wonder why I question continuing to post here.

REMINDER: DO NOT DISCUSS OTHER POSTERS. THAT IS A :nono:

Katie, I think you can have that post removed by a Mod.

 

[Sleuth13]

Actually that very post was the only one I've read tonite that made me cringe thinking the family could read it. It involves me in a total misrepresentation. Wonder why I question continuing to post here.

Well fiddlesticks!! I just got online to vent about testimony and it appears things are a little nuts! I'm not going to read 40 pages of drama but if some LWL (Last Word Larry) is being mean - especially to you - I'm gonna be most upset!! I probably should read what all this hub-bub is about first, but instead I'll just say from what I gather you shouldn't have to feel bad bc you extended your heart and hand out! Considering you went through a very similar situation with your sister I feel confident that what you said, say or will say will be done with style and grace.

I am sure TA's family is well aware that people often run their mouths not thinking at the time about the effect it has on others and that once the situation is addressed we act appropriately. I would also like to think that they know above-all, our hearts here are in the right place! There's always going to be a few bruised apples in the bag of fruit but that doesn't mean all the apples are bad. Ya know what I'm sayin?!?!?

You hang in there and whatever you decide to do, I've got your back!! *hugs*

 

[katiecoolady]

I'm getting back on the case now. Please stop discussing me...it's done. Thanks.
I read a post this am about someone thinking Jodi is more BPD/Narcissitic/histrionic than Sociopathic and I've been thinking about that. I think these lines can get blurred so it's not always cut and dried and I do understand that line of thinking.

The *feel* of Jodi to me is much like Scott Peterson...that empty soulness quality. The borderlines and histrionics i remember working with are FULL of drama. It'd erratic and nonstop. There isn't this inappropriate calm we see in Jodi or Peterson. Even when they are totally busted they slide seamlessly in to the next layer of lies with no sign of discomfort. (Scott a d Jodi I mean)

I don't think Jodi would necessarily make a habit of murder but in think she could choose that as easily as paper or plastic given the option to get out of an uncomfortable experience. I do think she has no conscience. So I agree with the caveat that she traverses all of these diagnoses.

And then I remember Shirley Turner who did in fact kill again and seemed to enjoy torturing her victims emotionally. I see a lot of Jodi in her.

 

[Carol2]

(Drat... once again, forgot to make a mental note of where I left off reading before previewing my post, and now have to go back and find it, again! :waitasec: Afraid I may NEVER catch up!:banghead

1 - When you want to reply to a post, RIGHT-click on Quote.
2 - On the popup menu, select Open Link in New Tab.
3 - Write your reply in the new tab and post.
4 - Go back to the previous tab and continue reading.

 

[PASA]

*NEED TO VENT* I'm in the midst of watching bits and pieces of testimony that I've missed this week and I'll tell you what - DT is far worse than I thought!! Where the h*ll are their exhibits??? Juan will pull out someone's deposition or specific document to "remind" them what they said and DT sits there acting shocked and amazed that he is asking questions about it! Pull out a freakin transcript already! I do not understand why a copy isn't on the desk for them to be referencing at all times. You called the damn witness - where are all his or her relevant documents?!?! It would sure as heck cut down on the amount of objections and sidebars!!! Stupid things that like drive me INSANE!!! JW has her mouth open constantly like she's offended or clueless and it's her own freakin fault!!

And while watching the end of Lisa's testimony again it really ticked me off how JW stood up and screamed her objection to the exhibit. Yes it was graphic and shocking, I am sensitive to TA's family and feel bad the THEM, but because guess what???! If DT were familiar with the trial exhibit #'s (for example even I know just from observing that exhibits 203-206ish are of TA's slit neck!!) - anyway if they knew the #'s or at a minimum kept a list of the exhibits on their desk for immediate reference, they would have known JM was going to show #205 and could have objected. He didn't just slap it down unannounced - he called the number out with several seconds notice! Ample time for an experienced trial atty and his team to object.

And lastly, JA brings her stupid little folder in everyday but clearly she hasn't a clue what's in it other than paper to doodle on!! If I was in her shoes I'd know every piece of paper, every photo, every exhibit, every document from the witnesses obtained in discovery, etc. for my own knowledge and to help my incompetent attorneys spare my life - literally! Does ANYONE at their table give a cr*p they are wasting time and money?? Guess not. Dumb question. My bad. It appears we have to suffer through inexcusable circumstances to demand justice.

This is all just my opinion of course And now that I've vented I think I'll go check out some more! LOL

You aren't alone in your frustration. I haven't seen one bit of useful evidence that will help the defense. It's all about trashing the victim who is not here to defend himself. Oh, and a lot of "okays" and "reallys". Thankfully, Juan is doing a very good job of speaking for Travis.

MOO, IMHO.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I'm getting back on the case now. Please stop discussing me...it's done. Thanks.
I read a post this am about someone thinking Jodi is more BPD/Narcissitic/histrionic than Sociopathic and I've been thinking about that. I think these lines can get blurred so it's not always cut and dried and I do understand that line of thinking.

The *feel* of Jodi to me is much like Scott Peterson...that empty soulness quality. The borderlines and histrionics i remember working with are FULL of drama. It'd erratic and nonstop. There isn't this inappropriate calm we see in Jodi or Peterson. Even when they are totally busted they slide seamlessly in to the next layer of lies with no sign of discomfort. (Scott a d Jodi I mean)

I don't think Jodi would necessarily make a habit of murder but in think she could choose that as easily as paper or plastic given the option to get out of an uncomfortable experience. I do think she has no conscience. So I agree with the caveat that she traverses all of these diagnoses.

And then I remember Shirley Turner who did in fact kill again and seemed to enjoy torturing her victims emotionally. I see a lot of Jodi in her.

I agree and think that there is so much effed up about Jodi that she could have any or all of the conditions that have been mentioned. I think that comparing her to Scott Peterson is a very good comparison because they are almost identical in their presentation. I think that both of these individuals would kill again, if they were ever allowed to walk free.

 

[polleypockets]

You aren't alone in your frustration. I haven't seen one bit of useful evidence that will help the defense. It's all about trashing the victim who is not here to defend himself. Oh, and a lot of "okays" and "reallys". Thankfully, Juan is doing a very good job of speaking for Travis.

MOO, IMHO.

i just still don't get what happened at the end of court yesterday - wilmont was acting weird and gigling like she was flirting w/ the computer guy them bam flashed those pics b4 they were entered into evidence - which imo looks like it was rehearsed w/ her witness - and on in session today they said that the broken external hard drive where thise pics were retrieved from was jodi's - not travis' - so who knows where they actually came from - is the defense just trying to get a mis trial so they can just keep putting it off until evidence is lost, or the witnesses can't remember well enuff to testify or until they die?

 

[PASA]

Thank you. In this case that statement, I was told was the one thing that kept him from being up for parole in now 2 years. (terror- this is the one it was proven who slit my sisters throat just like Jodi did Travis). He ONLY was considered for life WITH parole as that was the only lesser option when he was convicted . Now though we have lwOp. Huge difference. We just didn't have it then.

I feel physically ill thinking he could ever walk the streets again. IMHO he is not mentally retarded. He is evil. But that is MOO