trial day 34: the defense continues it's case in chief #98

[paperwing]

Whew, TG you just saved me a lot of time...I was gonna try and do that comparison but with just the originals.

I thought the shiny part in the upper left corner near the white border of the original photo was glare from the overhead lights but JM's pen is sneaky like that! :giggle:

JM's pen should have it's own FB page or something - we have spent untold hours here trying to figure out what that "mysterious" thing was... in different photos... It's always his flippin' pen.

Gotta love it.

 

[christee]

JM's pen should have it's own FB page or something - we have spent untold hours here trying to figure out what that "mysterious" thing was... in different photos... It's always his flippin' pen.

Gotta love it.

:laughcry:
Oh yeah, I admit it...I was one of the first that asked "what is that silver thing in the corner?".

Yes Juan's pen needs a nic! :giggle:

 

[carnnell]

(((carnnell))) I'm so sorry. And so grateful for your courage.

Stalking is still very hard to charge. My local police chief told me they couldn't do anything unless he physically harmed me. He tried to once (threw a car seat at my face at close range) but it didn't leave a mark.

What he did to me psychologically, financially, personally, is what I call torture. All legal because he was a spouse or former spouse. Had he been a stranger I could have taken him to court for numerous things. I got a TRO - which he laughed at. He destroyed me. Almost completely. It makes no sense because I have no physical 'scars' but I have been absolutely affected physically.

I would shake when I saw his car come down the driveway. During the divorce I would nearly crash if I passed a car like his (usually it was his)... and even now I startle when I see that car. He used my children against me, and played the courts like a fiddle. His only priorities were his *ahem*, his wallet and his control. I can't even bring myself to describe what he did in detail. I learned what it meant to be a target - on every level of rage, abuse (physical on my children - which I think he did because he knew that would hurt me more than if he'd done it to me... if I didn't comply - he'd punish or harm THEM. Okay I can't say any more on this. I reached out to a battered women's shelter - they showed me the door. That really, really hurt. I had proof, evidence, recordings, police reports, just not a mark on my body. And he knew not to leave marks on my kid - not one that would last. She had a 'safe word' and used it.
Okay I can barely type now. I just wanted to say thank you and know you're not alone here - there are many survivors here of different histories, tragedies and pain, but there is strength in community and I think it's why many of us are drawn to being so passionate about victims - even those we've never met...

I'm shaking now... it still hasn't left me. He's in a lull now, thank goodness. For the first time in almost 2 decades.But part of his MO was to keep me off guard - always. To the point where every moment of my life was spent dealing with obstructions, changes, false emergencies, false schedules, tormented children... just trying to regroup. I still have trouble using or hearing a phone ring (I scare other people with my yelps and startling jumps) and I have trouble leaving the house or answering the door. I used to be a fit, competent supermom (so others said) and now... ugh. Sorry. I meant to give you support and ended up selfishly talking about myself. I'm so sorry.

He was the first person I'd ever met who is without conscience. When I finally realized such people even existed, it terrified me even more. He's not on the level of JA, but he's close enough. His obsession was destroying me - not ending my (physical) life. Just everything else. And he succeeded .

I can't imagine enduring a physical, brutal attack as you have - and yes, 'back then' it was even worse for victims (women in general). It hasn't come far enough. Not nearly enough.

I hope you're doing better - I pray for better laws sooner rather than later.

I can relate to everything you said. Yes "back then" it was worse because there was no such thing as "stalking". It was like "what duh". All I got was "move". Well that isn't always easy .. it is called money and I didn't have it. I was only 19 years old and going to school. geeeeeeeez

Everything "back then" was worse for women as far as sexual assault because they didn't even have laws protecting victims in court. It wasn't a good time for women. I just hide for along time. I didn't even react for several months until one day I woke up from a nightmare and threw up (speaking of vomiting haha). That is when the PTSS (post traumatic stress syndrome) raised its ugly head. I started counseling.

I started learning what I was going through etc. and worked through it. The only thing I had on my side (the only thing!!) was I knew it wasn't my fault and I wasn't going to accept any responsibility for it. The Lt said he was proud of me and I would heal. I cling on to what he said to this day when a scar raises its ugly head. It isn't often but when it does I just go with the flow realizing it is a scar.

Now what happen back then doesn't control my life. It happen to me and one bad event in my life. I wasn't going to let that scum bag control me. I am just too stubborn. Darn it!! grrrrrrrr

 

[paperwing]

I can relate to everything you said. Yes "back then" it was worse because there was no such thing as "stalking". It was like "what duh". All I got was "move". Well that isn't always easy .. it is called money and I didn't have it. I was only 19 years old and going to school. geeeeeeeez

Everything "back then" was worse for women as far as sexual assault because they didn't even have laws protecting victims in court. It wasn't a good time for women. I just hide for along time. I didn't even react for several months until one day I woke up from a nightmare and threw up (speaking of vomiting haha). That is when the PTSS (post traumatic stress syndrome) raised its ugly head. I started counseling.

I started learning what I was going through etc. and worked through it. The only thing I had on my side (the only thing!!) was I knew it wasn't my fault and I wasn't going to accept any responsibility for it. The Lt said he was proud of me and I would heal. I cling on to what he said to this day when a scar raises its ugly head. It isn't often but when it does I just go with the flow realizing it is a scar.

Now what happen back then doesn't control my life. It happen to me and one bad event in my life. I wasn't going to let that scum bag control me. I am just too stubborn. Darn it!! grrrrrrrr

You're awesome - (I'm sorry - I didn't even see your sig line until after I posted - you're truly an inspiration). No one could understand why I 'let' him do what he did - I WAS strong, competent, healthy... there was only one thing that I could not discard, and he knew it. My children. Were it not for them I'd have walked away YEARS ago - and never looked back. Oddly enough, we were 'partying buddies' - I got healthy, he did not. That threatened him and I never knew such a positive change could turn out so horribly! heh.

His drunken rages were the worst - ugh. I was told to move too by the Chief. He said it'll never stop until I did. I did move - because after 40K on lawyers I was broke and had one friend offer me a place to stay. It didn't stop him. The more perceived loss of control the worse he got. It DOES get worse when you leave... and if you create distance - made him seethe. (shudder)... again - something I (and others) understand with JA - you do NOT reject people like this... not without paying the very steep price. If they have you by the short hairs - which in my case were/are my kids. Damn that ldiot.

The happy part of it - almost to the MINUTE my eldest turned 18, she came to live with me. My youngest is planning to do the same. I only hope I have a place for her (my housemate - love of my life - wants a partner and I struggle but working on it!)

My daughters - despite the horrific things they were told about me, they knew innately that it didn't fit at all. The happier part - they're both doing really well - despite everything.

Bless you for what you've gone through and helped others get through... have a good night...

 

[carnnell]

You're awesome - (I'm sorry - I didn't even see your sig line until after I posted - you're truly an inspiration). No one could understand why I 'let' him do what he did - I WAS strong, competent, healthy... there was only one thing that I could not discard, and he knew it. My children. Were it not for them I'd have walked away YEARS ago - and never looked back. Oddly enough, we were 'partying buddies' - I got healthy, he did not. That threatened him and I never knew such a positive change could turn out so horribly! heh.

His drunken rages were the worst - ugh. I was told to move too by the Chief. He said it'll never stop until I did. I did move - because after 40K on lawyers I was broke and had one friend offer me a place to stay. It didn't stop him. The more perceived loss of control the worse he got. It DOES get worse when you leave... and if you create distance - made him seethe. (shudder)... again - something I (and others) understand with JA - you do NOT reject people like this... not without paying the very steep price. If they have you by the short hairs - which in my case were/are my kids. Damn that ldiot.

The happy part of it - almost to the MINUTE my eldest turned 18, she came to live with me. My youngest is planning to do the same. I only hope I have a place for her (my housemate - love of my life - wants a partner and I struggle but working on it!)

My daughters - despite the horrific things they were told about me, they knew innately that it didn't fit at all. The happier part - they're both doing really well - despite everything.

Bless you for what you've gone through and helped others get through... have a good night...

:rose: Bless you for coming through all the H*ll :rose:

We become strong through the torture and horror! We find just how strong we really are!!! Thank you for sharing your story
((((((((( hugs )))))))))

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

http://[link removed]/leave-a-message-for-jodi-arias-jodi-arias-is-innocent-jodi-arias-support/

I'm sure most of you have seen that, but I just came across it. GAH!!! That's so depressing people are falling for her spewage. I know it's a tiny minority, but it's unsettling.

 

[carnnell]

http://[link removed]/leave-a-message-for-jodi-arias-jodi-arias-is-innocent-jodi-arias-support/

I'm sure most of you have seen that, but I just came across it. GAH!!! That's so depressing people are falling for her spewage. I know it's a tiny minority, but it's unsettling.

Takes all kinds... At some point, some will wake up and realize they have been lied to by Arias.

JMHO

 

[rose222]

I have so much catching up to do!

Anyway my wish is that apart from JA being convicted of first-degree murder that when the jurors give their interviews they mention how disgusted they are with JA's pedophilia claims. I hope it's one of the reasons they convict her to death.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Is the "heel up" image you're talking about the last of the 'inadvertent' photos? The dark, ambiguous one in the hall?
If so, I can show you exactly what that is.

Yes, that one. Would love for you to show me exactly what that is.

btw although I guess we are no longer allowed to post crime scene photos on these threads, I was able to digitally adjust the pic before that to show more detail in the upper middle of the photo. Wish I could pick your brain on that one too, to describe a particular shadow higher up on her leg.

 

[Linda From New York]

On the ID channel Stalked Show, the Psychologist who narrates the show says "The one way to escalate a stalker to violent status (paraphrase) is get word their victim of obsession is dating someone."

Travis situation with Jodi would be on that show. She said 3 million are stalked every year including herself. Even though not all end in death but some do. (Travis)

Scarey. The laws and law enforcement do not do enough at the early point to help victims to stop them in some states. California have the strongest laws for stalking because of celebrities. The rest of the 49 have varied pathetic versions.

I was stalked before any laws were around in fact before the word "stalked" were in use (1973). Nothing were available to me for help other than move.
It was just a horrible feeling to know that another human being could invade you life and nothing can be done except "move".

I attempted to handle it not knowing anything about stalking, the way they are and in the end he attacked me/raping me. (1973)

Stalking is so serious as serious as abuse. After my experience, I consider stalking a form of abuse. I felt abused, invaded, controlled, isolated, and down right pissed off. If that made sense.

Thank you for let me share my story.

So very sorry you went through that.

 

[The Farm]

She's never getting out.

I sure hope not.

Good Morning all.

 

[TartLemon]

'Morning y'all.

 

[The Farm]

I have so much catching up to do!

Anyway my wish is that apart from JA being convicted of first-degree murder that when the jurors give their interviews they mention how disgusted they are with JA's pedophilia claims. I hope it's one of the reasons they convict her to death.

You? I missed everything last night after the recess.

I am lostttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

 

[Gypseagirl]

Good Morning Sleuthers!!!!! Everybody ready for another day of The Jodi Arias Show...................:jail::jail::jail::jail:

 

[The Farm]

Yes, that one. Would love for you to show me exactly what that is.

btw although I guess we are no longer allowed to post crime scene photos on these threads, I was able to digitally adjust the pic before that to show more detail in the upper middle of the photo. Wish I could pick your brain on that one too, to describe a particular shadow higher up on her leg.

Most of the photos I have a very hard time deciphering what I am looking at.
You are all so much better at it than me.
I have YET to see Jodi's leg.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I have had migraines since I was 12, I am now 42. The only thing that helps, when I get a terrible one, is Fiorinal. I try to take Exedrine or BC first, but if it persists...I take Fiorinal.

I just had one recently, it was behind my right eye and lasted for days! I feel so sorry for people that suffer from them. My son just turned 12 and I am praying he doesn't start getting them

OMG! I had forgotten about that one! Yes, that is one that DID provide me some relief and no icky side effects.

IIRC, it is a barbiturate with caffeine.

My DD is 11 and I, too, hope she doesn't get these darned things. The only good thing about being premenopausal is that I seldom get migraines anymore.

 

[Linda From New York]

(((carnnell))) I'm so sorry. And so grateful for your courage.

Stalking is still very hard to charge. My local police chief told me they couldn't do anything unless he physically harmed me. He tried to once (threw a car seat at my face at close range) but it didn't leave a mark.

What he did to me psychologically, financially, personally, is what I call torture. All legal because he was a spouse or former spouse. Had he been a stranger I could have taken him to court for numerous things. I got a TRO - which he laughed at. He destroyed me. Almost completely. It makes no sense because I have no physical 'scars' but I have been absolutely affected physically.

I would shake when I saw his car come down the driveway. During the divorce I would nearly crash if I passed a car like his (usually it was his)... and even now I startle when I see that car. He used my children against me, and played the courts like a fiddle. His only priorities were his *ahem*, his wallet and his control. I can't even bring myself to describe what he did in detail. I learned what it meant to be a target - on every level of rage, abuse (physical on my children - which I think he did because he knew that would hurt me more than if he'd done it to me... if I didn't comply - he'd punish or harm THEM. Okay I can't say any more on this. I reached out to a battered women's shelter - they showed me the door. That really, really hurt. I had proof, evidence, recordings, police reports, just not a mark on my body. And he knew not to leave marks on my kid - not one that would last. She had a 'safe word' and used it.
Okay I can barely type now. I just wanted to say thank you and know you're not alone here - there are many survivors here of different histories, tragedies and pain, but there is strength in community and I think it's why many of us are drawn to being so passionate about victims - even those we've never met...

I'm shaking now... it still hasn't left me. He's in a lull now, thank goodness. For the first time in almost 2 decades.But part of his MO was to keep me off guard - always. To the point where every moment of my life was spent dealing with obstructions, changes, false emergencies, false schedules, tormented children... just trying to regroup. I still have trouble using or hearing a phone ring (I scare other people with my yelps and startling jumps) and I have trouble leaving the house or answering the door. I used to be a fit, competent supermom (so others said) and now... ugh. Sorry. I meant to give you support and ended up selfishly talking about myself. I'm so sorry.

He was the first person I'd ever met who is without conscience. When I finally realized such people even existed, it terrified me even more. He's not on the level of JA, but he's close enough. His obsession was destroying me - not ending my (physical) life. Just everything else. And he succeeded .

I can't imagine enduring a physical, brutal attack as you have - and yes, 'back then' it was even worse for victims (women in general). It hasn't come far enough. Not nearly enough.

I hope you're doing better - I pray for better laws sooner rather than later.

My God.

(((paperwing & carnnell)))

It infuriates me that Arias is claiming abuse by TA. When I read and hear stories from you and carnnell and others it is clear that she is making a complete mockery of women who, like yourselves, have been through hell.

God Bless you and all who go through this.

 

[TartLemon]

As long as Jodi was testifying, it was beginning to make her seem like a weak little whipped puppy that MAYBE, just maybe was imperfect enough to believe Travis was the one playing with her emotions enough to cause the snap.

Having Samuels on the stand changed that back to proving the manipulative, conniving Jodi who would scheme, lie and do whtever it takes to achieve her own ends.

I know this is not a popular opinion about Jodi, but by the end of her time on the stand, she was SEEMING to be bullied herself. I don't believe she was. Being on the outside like this, I have the opportunity to see/hear things the jury is not privy to. They are not seeing the tapes of her psycho behavior during the police interrogation. Nor are they hearing the stories from people who actually dealt with her during the time Travis was trying in a gentlemanly way to get rid of her.

The only thing the jury can consider in deliberations is what they are presented in evidence in court. They cannot google, conduct their own experiments or watch the TH shows we see.

Dr. Samuels has admitted she lied and schemed to manipulate his professional opinion. I have the utmost confidence JM will leave the jury with the same conclusions I have.

 

[Linda From New York]

Somebody has probably already posted this link for you but here goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e5igGNYg8A0

It's short, but I heard on HLN shows tonight that the full video is supposed to be 4 hours. I wonder if that's a whole 4 hours that we haven't seen yet though.

Interesting like you said about that Jodi is Innocent site... now there's a big bag of mixed nuts, huh? :floorlaugh:

The site is filled with a bunch of suckers taken in by a pathological liar. They also had the casey anthony is innocent site, so I think it is just a big BS show.

 

[RadarLuv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnAyikHwuuU&feature=player_embedded

Good morning folks, well I woke early and decided to watch yesterday's trial videos. Got super bored and ran across this. O/t, but a fun way to start the day. Enjoy and happy trial watching today. Yes, It's another Harlem Shake vid.