trial day 37: the defense continues its case in chief #109

[gngr~snap]

I did not even think about "where" there house is, I don't even know the price of real estate in that part of CA. The number on that little house might shock somebody like me from down south.


Is the anywhere to see your jurors blown up?

:what:Oh please do not blow the jurors up!
The whole trial would have to start over!
does this work?
http://websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1695&pictureid=14763

 

[Linda7NJ]

I understand and agree that Travis was immature and less experienced than Jodi.
But, I guess repulsiveness, vile, untrustworthy, dangerous is what others are describing. I don't like using the word evil because some think I mean possessed and I don't believe in that from a religious aspect.
I just can't wrap my head around why Travis didn't sense what others did.
Maybe it was simply raw sexual attraction and the rest seemed off about her but he was willing to look the other way for the sex.

I don't think Travis surrounded himself with repulsive, vile, untrustworthy and dangerous people. He was very fortunate to be recused by his grandmother and introduced to religion. He was compassionate and IMO he wanted to help everyone. Children often as adults have a powerful need to save others...repeatedly. They often do that because they were unable to save their mother.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Thinks for posting that PPKik... Reviewing her CV, it is VERY impressive. I cannot for the life of me understand why she would agree to work on this case. It's not just a case of a semi-retired looking for extra $... she has a long history of court appearances -along with so much more~!

I wonder if that means that she really does believe that Jodi was a battered woman. Or even worse...I was thinking earlier, what if their real agenda is to plant seeds in the jurors mind that Travis was a batterer, based on his rocky childhood. idk. Has the jury heard about his challenging upbringing? Are they connecting dots both pro Jodi, and con Travis?

She just does a lot of speaking engagements.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Looks like she was a psych. assistant working under another Dr. Appears that his license was revoked. He appealed and the revocation was upheld. That caused her to not have a valid licence. That's what it looks like to me. I could be wrong.

I have a feeling like she said herself she needed a paying job to support her 2 kids and if you ask me she lucked into a profession IMO she has no business being in.She is another extreme feminist that is so female biased she is only hurting true victims IMO.

 

[thefragile7393]

I was wondering the same thing about her sitting there using client stories as examples. That's not somehow a HIPAA violation?!?!? What if the wife who told her that her husband's "couple of martinis" at night were really three times the size of most people's sat down to watch tv with her husband and he didn't know she told ALV that?!?! :what:

No...because no names were given out or details that would make it obvious as to whom she was referring to. HIPAA is very easy to work around for purposes like this.

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[JusticeJunkie]

Really odd - LKB is on HLN on Travis's side??? I wonder if she and Baez talked first.

 

[gngr~snap]

5 bedrooms, 3 baths, 3,691 square feet according to Zillow:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212/55275691_zpid/

3 3/4 baths according to Trulia (no bedrooms specified, hmm, odd) http://www.trulia.com/homes/Arizona/Mesa/sold/20973669-11428-E-Queensborough-Ave-Mesa-AZ-85212

well that is even better! HE had room for her yet he never lived with her~
or let her live there! :great:

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Feeling a bit frustrated tonight. I can't get past the fact that we all know SO MUCH more than the jury does. That worries me. With all that we know, there is no doubt as to her complete guilt and that she deserves the DP. Many verdicts are reached based on the strategy and the jurors sticking to only what they really are allowed to review in deliberations. What they don't know is what worries me. My DS who only knows a smidge about all of the JA hijinks made a comment today that 'what if they don't get it right and later SEE all of this stuff about her?'.... He said he'd be sick to death if that was the case and he was on the jury. It sure is something to think about.

 

[mikeysmommom]

This is probable o/t by now but I'm still trying to catch up tonight! I've tried Chantix twice, just couldn't do it. I was having bad dreams and HORRIBLE mood swings, I actually scared myself. I'm actually contemplating hypnotism...

My floor guy (sanding and varnishing 2 rooms so I am stuck in my bedroom for 3 days lol) told my hubby his chiropractor did acupuncture and it worked for him.My mom tried hynotism and it was 300.00 and she never quit,me I have been doing good with chantix but I do not remember my dreams maybe thats why lol.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I totally agree,

I find it more telling that Jodi lived with her grandparents and never helped them out with cleaning, helping them financially, no...not jodi the mooching user....she was too busy jumping at the chance to snoop...I mean..clean Travis's.

Yep yep yep!

That! It isn't as though her grandparents had unlimited wealth and hired help ( although I am hypocritically going by the modest appearance of their home :blushing so I find it disgusting that she would just plunk down, mooch, and not offer to help them out, even if she couldn't afford to financially. Maybe clean, run errands, etc. .

I moved back in with my mom when I was 25. She had gotten diagnosed with terminal cancer and I came home to be her primary caregiver. I worked a full time job, waitressing, which I have read here isn't a very noble way of earning a living. At least in reference to Jodi. Whatever. Hardest work I ever did. And I still took Mom to all of her appts. and was there when she was her most ill. Until she went into hospice.

Bottom line is, when you are an adult, you have to act an adult. No shame in moving home, but you need to contribute.

 

[Nhic]

Hi all! I've been lurking for awhile and am so impressed with the intelligence of the posters on this site, and specifically about this case.

Wasn't going to post since you all say it much better than I ever could, but that was before I read about the dog incident, and the cat incident.

I believe JA is a psychopath.

In her interrogation tapes, and that 48 hours clip, JA tells you exactly how she committed the brutal murder of Travis. She projects most everything onto others, ninjas, whoever, anyone but her, but the details of her crime are spoken by her.

I knew with this current witness that it would be borrrrrring, although educational at the same time. The prosecutor knows what she's going to testify about so he isn't worried IMV, he has his own expert coming up during the rebuttal phase and don't be surprised to hear his expert testify that JA is psychopathic.

Anyway, a big shout out to CHICO and thank you for your help! Nice to meet you all.

 

[atthelake]

:seeya:

One thing that I think contributed to my unexpected success at quitting was change of mindset

I decided I didn't want to be a smoker.

Not "I want to quit smoking"

It may have made a difference to internalize it that way. I did not want to be defined as or referrdf to as "a smoker"


threw out the pack, never wanted one (for any ,ore than 5 seconds) after that. 10+ years

good luck, it's so worth it

For newbies!!!!!!!!!! There is a quit smoking thread here at WS! I know a few who were successful during FCA trial...............does anyone have a link? I know that many of us, myself included, rarely visit the other threads that would be beneficial! WS has self help threads, menu/recipe threads/live police radio threads! just go to main site and start searching!

Yet, for folks that want to stop smoking.....can someone do a link to make it EZ for others! (I tried.....................) :furious:

 

[scorpio24]

Just a thought on Travis' nice house vs. her grandparents' more modest home;

I don't know if her grandparents owned their home outright or were still holding a mortgage, as "crappy" as it is according to some, but Travis had two mortgages on his house and according to his texts to JA where he says he is trying to save his house, he wasn't able to make those payments easily.....I think I would rather own a home that I can afford even if some people make fun of it as opposed to a really nice home and a closet full of custom made clothes with a lien on it.

Jodi's grandparents are not on trial and their home is a perfectly nice one. . They bought what they could afford. How is that shameful?

My great grandfather lived in an old wooden house that was falling apart at the seams (with a barn doing the same.) I'm quite sure it's condemned and gone by now. When I was a little girl, my dad would take me there, I'd sit on his knee and he'd gift me with two quarters out of a snuff can. And that nearly blind man would shake his head and say, "She sure does look like Molly." (That was the great grandma I never knew, but who loved my dad like Travis' grandmother loved him.)

I thought, and still think, that was one of the most wonderful homes on earth. The floors creaked. The furniture was old (and intriguing to me, especially the trunks.) And the red porch swing squeaked, but worked like a charm. There was love in that house. LOTS of love.

That's all I remember. It felt warm then and its memories still warm me now. That's all that really matters in a home, really. The feelings it inspires. And that place was darned near perfect, IMO. :twocents:

 

[Madeleine74]

Feeling a bit frustrated tonight. I can't get past the fact that we all know SO MUCH more than the jury does. That worries me. With all that we know, there is no doubt as to her complete guilt and that she deserves the DP. Many verdicts are reached based on the strategy and the jurors sticking to only what they really are allowed to review in deliberations. What they don't know is what worries me.

Nope not a single worry on my part. This is the way it it in every murder trial. The public, who is allowed to read anything and everything and watch media reports, ad nauseum, will always know 'more' than the jury does if the jury is following the rules. Doesn't matter. The facts inside the courtroom are the only ones that count. Convictions are obtained every day across the country. JA is never going to be a free woman. Never again.

 

[m1279]

Dr. Samuels can help you

Haha, i think I just snorted.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I have a feeling like she said herself she needed a paying job to support her 2 kids and if you ask me she lucked into a profession IMO she has no business being in.She is another extreme feminist that is so female biased she is only hurting true victims IMO.

She was definitely in the right place at the right time as the movement gained momentum in the 70's. I have seen NOTHING pioneering about her work, and nothing remarkable or particularly impressive about any of it. She has a cause, but she's done nothing exceptional beyond self promotion.

 

[KathrynL]

Feeling a bit frustrated tonight. I can't get past the fact that we all know SO MUCH more than the jury does. That worries me. With all that we know, there is no doubt as to her complete guilt and that she deserves the DP. Many verdicts are reached based on the strategy and the jurors sticking to only what they really are allowed to review in deliberations. What they don't know is what worries me. My DS who only kspells nows a smidge about all of the JA hijinks made a comment today that 'what if they don't get it right and later SEE all of this stuff about her?'.... He said he'd be sick to death if that was the case and he was on the jury. It sure is something to think about.

I don't know much more than the jury. I didn't follow until the trial started. I think the jury has plenty to convict, and I think Juan Martinez is the kind of prosecutor who can bring a jury to a guilty verdict with his tenacious, repetitive style. He knows how to win a case. :cow:

 

[BooInFloriduh]

Just a thought on Travis' nice house vs. her grandparents' more modest home;

I don't know if her grandparents owned their home outright or were still holding a mortgage, as "crappy" as it is according to some, but Travis had two mortgages on his house and according to his texts to JA where he says he is trying to save his house, he wasn't able to make those payments easily.....I think I would rather own a home that I can afford even if some people make fun of it as opposed to a really nice home and a closet full of custom made clothes with a lien on it.

Jodi's grandparents are not on trial and their home is a perfectly nice one. . They bought what they could afford. How is that shameful?

My take on the comparison, is which home would Jodi prefer to reside in.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yep yep yep!

That! It isn't as though her grandparents had unlimited wealth and hired help ( although I am hypocritically going by the modest appearance of their home :blushing so I find it disgusting that she would just plunk down, mooch, and not offer to help them out, even if she couldn't afford to financially. Maybe clean, run errands, etc. .

I moved back in with my mom when I was 25. She had gotten diagnosed with terminal cancer and I came home to be her primary caregiver. I worked a full time job, waitressing, which I have read here isn't a very noble way of earning a living. At least in reference to Jodi. Whatever. Hardest work I ever did. And I still took Mom to all of her appts. and was there when she was her most ill. Until she went into hospice.

Bottom line is, when you are an adult, you have to act an adult. No shame in moving home, but you need to contribute.

Exactly! Jodi makes me sick

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Ya know that really bothered me too.
ALV discussing cases & patients - intimate details about them - just is not right.
I dont care that she didn't use names ....
She says things like "I have a current patient whose is in Grad School and is having difficulties with _____".

Crosses the line IMO.
For all she knows, some of these patients happened to listen to trial ... and she's breaking a bond of trust.
If I were a patient of hers ... I'd feel very betrayed by this.

And ... its not just the patient she refers to in her examples - but surely some of these patients have wives/husbands/family members that know their loved one sees this professional.
I can visualize some family member thinking 'hmmm, wonder if that is my son the Grad Student that is feeling this way?'
If nothing else ... As the patient, I'd be worried that other people might be speculating about what PRIVATE thoughts I may have spoken to her about.

PRIVACY - she crosses that line.
A couple of times today she spoke of patients in the past tense - and even that is not professional.
But many times today she used examples of "this young man I'm seeing now has doubts about/is worried about _____"

tbh that didn't bother me as much as the hypothetical question about a young boy who grows up in an abusive home, etc. that was CLEARLY meant to get her to talk about Travis, and the follow-up question how many abusers came from such a home, where she hinted she'd like to say 100% but isn't allowed to say 100%.

I didn't hear anything unusual in any of her other stories that would identify one patient or another, or maybe I was just too bored to listen closely. :facepalm: