Trial - Ross Harris #2

[matou]

He didn't want to drive to Publix that lunch but goes to his car at lunch to place lightbulbs in the car. He had a choice to save Cooper, make a scene about Cooper being in there dead or not but he closed the door on Cooper and walked away. He didn't need to go to his car but he did. I think he just decided to continue with what was already started and he closed the door on Cooper forever. JMO

 

[keeponsearching]

I haven't been able to post lately, needed to Catch up. I can't get this off my mind, Ross could never divorce because of Cooper. Ross had this life that no one knew about. I doubt his ex wife even knew the extent of it. I still believe Ross did this on purpose. Ross to me is a dishonest person, who only cares for himself. There is no way anything he every says is the truth.

I don't buy going to his vehicle at lunch and putting his light bulbs in the car and not remembering about Cooper. He knew Cooper was in there. He knew in those 33 seconds he sat in the car that morning what he was doing. If you have never sat and waited 33 seconds I suggest you try it.

 

[matou]

Here is the link he looked at about hot and humid days:

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/345/

 

[Hope4More]

RH did not text from this phone while he was in his car for 33 seconds.

9:24:28. (likely at intersection text )

9:49:01. (First text after arriving at work, about 25 minutes later).

 

[arkansasmimi]

I agree. Taking a break from your kids is healthy. I was known to sometimes walk straight out the door when my husband arrived home from work. On Mother's Day , every year, I sent him and the kids to the park without me for a few hours so I could 'celebrate' by myself. lol


But taking a 'break' does not include having that break while you are in charge of caring for your toddler. And it does not look good for him that he is saying how much he needs that break, minutes before he abandons him in a hot car. JMO

I agree it does not look good to have posted that that day considering that Cooper died in the hot car. Again so far, we do not know the context, rather I do not and I will await for testimony and so forth from State to prove. Remember orig they thought 6/18/14 that the Red Image was orig posted by RH. Later, AFTER Sept 2015, per 10/19/16 testimony RB Smith, they were able to get the messages that went with that image. We are just late yesterday afternoon getting into these extractions. Today Smith is back on the stand. Hopefully more factual information will be revealed. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think it is that good for him. If he was preoccupied with a sick parent or a pending IRS audit, then it might be helpful to him to create sympathy and understanding that he was distracted.

But these texts/sexts started at 6 am. So he was CHOOSING to be distracted and focussed on something besides caring for his toddler.

If a child drowns in a pool, and it is because a parent is playing a video game or on social media, they usually go to jail for manslaughter. This is very similar. I don't think we can say he 'forgot' if in fact, he was choosing to do something that took all of his attention away from HIS LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to care for his baby.

Agree. But again to keep in context, when the texting started (and he had been doing other things online other than just sexting late night and very early that morning) but LH did not leave until after 7 am.

Again trying to stay factual and with testimony. We have not seen where he was neglectful of his son yet. Until he left him in his vehicle and went into work. SO far.

 

[Hope4More]

Catching up and have not went thru and read the text msg. So what is the context of those 2 texts? I see it was 4:27 LH texts that. She is who normally picked Cooper from LAA. Per testimony from teachers. Was this a reminder possibly that RH was to pick up Cooper that afternoon from LAA? Do you or we know? Serious question.

What we learned yesterday, on Cross was that Stoddard saw the Red pic message on Whisper and immediately assumed that RH had posted it. Since then it has been proven not so. Def is still up with RB Smith first thing this morning and I sure we will find out more of what was on the iPhone 5S << this was the iPhone that RH had in his pocket taken by Officer Piper when he was detained. <<<<< This is the one they are speaking of at the present

**There is a 2nd iPhone4S that was in his briefcase in the front floor bed of his SUV. Just reminder so we keep straight. Unsure what is on the 4S yet.

Smith on the little red box and Whispering and Stoddard would seem to be a slightly more tangled story than that, if I understood his latter testimony accurately, as his latter testimony on the little red box seemed to contradict what he first said about the little red box.

Related to, when did the little red box first show up? On the initial extraction (June 2014) or way later, when the magic decoder program became available? Which is true?

Choices:

1. the CFA texts were on the June extraction but the CFA texts couldn't be matched with a red box meme not yet found

2. The CFA texts couldn't be found either until the magic decoder revealed the little red meme box.

3. None of the above

4. One of the above, unsure which, hopefully will be further clarified.

5. Who cares, the jury is just as lost in these weeds.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Phone records show Harris messaged the woman, "I miss having time to myself and going out with my friends." He then said "My wife gets upset when I want to go out with friends." Around 9:15 a.m., Harris said "I love my son and all but we both need escapes." Prosecution says Harris sent that message just minutes after he's seen buying breakfast with Cooper at Chik-fil-A.

Prosecution shows jurors a post pulled from Harris' phone on June 18, 2014 that said, "I hate being married with kids. The novelty has warn off and I have nothing to show for it." Prosecution says the image was not uploaded or posted by Harris but Harris did comment on it and then begin a chat with the woman who posted it.

here are the images:

Prosecutors said that Harris commented on this post on the morning of Cooper's death, right before having a private chat with a woman. (screen capture via WSB-TV)

The exchange, which occurred at 9:15 a.m. on the morning of Cooper's death, reads "I love my son and all but we both need escapes."

 

[arkansasmimi]

The more I think about it, the more I believe that people should be held responsible, even if the 'forgot' the baby was there.

If Dr Diamond is going to prove it is possible to just forget, then parents should be FORCED, by law, to take precautionary measures. Just like they legally have to use seat belts and car seats, and inoculations. They should be forced to do something to prevent the ability to just 'forget' their kids. There are many very simple methods. Put the Teddy Bear in the car seat and take it out an put it in the front passenger seat when your baby is riding with you. DONE. :baby:

Respectfully, yet even though there are seat belt laws, there are still very many people who for whatever reason still do not use them. And same is true about laws already against leaving your children in car. I remember us staying in the car while our parents went into the store to buy groceries. When my kids were small I didn't leave them in cars but also, my oldest one was was over a year old before there was even a car seat law. But we have them now, because there were many incidents,that it considered a way to prevent tragic situations.

So you putting the teddy bear in your car seat, does that mean that you consciously realize there is or was a possibility of forgetting the child was back there? Have you ever forgotten anything? Coffee pot, water hose on, curling iron, lights on vehicle, keys in car? I know that a child is not the same as any of those things but yet you also put a teddy bear in your car seat. Not judging your or excusing the death of this child.

Nor am I coming into following this case with a preconceived verdict. If one has that, I do not understand following as none of the evidence will change your mind and most with that opinion going in will not see or hear anything to honestly change there mind. Why would the evidence or even testimony matter?

Already some "facts" that public thought they knew has been debunked. But that does not matter. We found out just yesterday that Stoddard believed that RH posted the Red Image 6/18/14 and it was not until Sept 2015 that they found out different when they got the follow up messages with the updated Cellebrite software. JMHO from listening and taking notes to evidence and testimony thus far. Not meaning to come off snarky.

 

[yupikgirl]

Who cares if he didn't post it. The whole case isn't because of one meme. He obviously agreed with it or it sparked his interest.

I know some here will say just another "lie". Not what I believe at all- there is plenty that shows he may have done this on purpose and it doesn't hinder on one meme or one visit to the child free site.

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[rob]

I wonder of RH's co-workers have had any blow back from the corporate bosses. Lots of bad publicity for Home Depot. And these google chats show that these guys were just goofing and wasting a lot of paid work time.

My company does business with a dept of HD. I asked our CSR who talks to their CSR, to ask what he thinks about this case. He did and was told they are not allowed to talk about it.
I'm dying to ask if they have had any policy changes since this happened.

 

[Hope4More]

I wonder if any statistics are out there for how common it is for married men, relentlessly in pursuit of extramarital sexual liaisons, to tell the truth to potential hookups that they are married? To respond to questions by sexting partners that they are actually happily married? To tell sexting partners about their children and how much they love them?

 

[blue22]

Who cares if he didn't post it. The whole case isn't because of one meme. He obviously agreed with it or it sparked his interest.

I know some here will say just another "lie". Not what I believe at all- there is plenty that shows he may have done this on purpose and it doesn't hinder on one meme or one visit to the child free site.

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In the dang questioning the prosecutor said, "To be clear, Ross didn't post this..."

It's not liking he's trying to trick people into thinking he did. I think the meme is significant whether he posted it or not. And I know he didn't post it, because the prosecutor said so!

It's obvious to me, that the defense will be going after Stoddard. He was out to get Ross, he fabricated this and that, he overstated this and that, he got people to lie. And I think the defense was setting up this meme to be part of it. And maybe that angle will place doubt for premeditation, but I don't think there will be an ounce of doubt regarding negligence.

 

[catpatrol]

I haven't followed this case, or trial, as closely as most of you. Is there evidence that RH & his wife researched hot car deaths, as was widely reported in 2014? Or is watching a viral YouTube video the extent of the "research"?

Didn't prosecution suggest that there was a missing hard drive, and that perhaps RH's tech abilities helped him cover his tracks? But we're also supposed to believe he was having a blatant conversation about killing his son to escape his marriage right as he did it? That doesn't really fit for me. Moo.

 

[rob]

No, I couldn't disagree more. shaming a woman is not doing his job. establishing that this behavior is common on the internet, that was his job. Establishing when it happened, that was his job. Continuing to go on about every state of her body parts repeatedly and asking if she still engages in this behavior. That is NOT his job. Her behavior now has NOTHING to do with this. His line of questioning went beyond the necessary point, and into "I'm going to make you look like a , and you lead him on. He WANTED her to say she still engaged in this, so he could further make her look like a . HER character is not on trial, HIS is.

JMO. But I can't agree with it. And I think it did nothing positive for his defense.

I believe I would have answered with "I don't know if that's any of your business" then if the judge disagreed he could have instructed me to answer the question.

 

[arkansasmimi]

RH did not text from this phone while he was in his car for 33 seconds.

9:24:28. (likely at intersection text )

9:49:01. (First text after arriving at work, about 25 minutes later).

Correct!
responds to Red image post last then the next 3 (have not included the first )
9:13:33
9:24:15
9:24:23
9:24:48

9:25:17 pulls into parking lot HD
9:25:39 backs up & immediately pulls forward
9:25:56 door starts to open on RH car
9:26:12 RH steps out veh
9:26:15 door shuts
walking into building few sec later
9:27:44 badges in

 

[arkansasmimi]

Who cares if he didn't post it. The whole case isn't because of one meme. He obviously agreed with it or it sparked his interest.

I know some here will say just another "lie". Not what I believe at all- there is plenty that shows he may have done this on purpose and it doesn't hinder on one meme or one visit to the child free site.

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RBBM, anyone who is following the case and wants justice should care. As we found out yesterday, Stoddard orig believed that RH posted that orig. It was not until late Sept 2015 that the CCPD found out that RH did not orig post that.

 

[arkansasmimi]

good link today's trial [video=youtube;-62tEXBELXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-62tEXBELXo[/video]

 

[minor4th]

Good morning.

I have spent the past hour + doing some legal research on child hyperthermia deaths in different jurisdictions and Georgia felony murder and criminal negligence.

This an area of law with a great deal of inconsistency among states - successful prosecutions are very highly dependent on individual circumstances. I have mixed feelings about whether Ross' conduct is 2nd degree child cruelty within the legal definition. I know many of you disagree, but I am talking in terms of legal definitions and without evaluating whether the law is "right" or "wrong."

To be found guilty of 2nd degree child cruelty, the jury has to find that Ross' actions were criminally negligent (willful or wantonly reckless). Ross was texting while driving his toddler to daycare, and by this distraction Ross lost awareness that Cooper remained in his car, forgot to take him to day care and remained unaware of his failure throughout the day. What exactly was the grossly negligent conduct - conduct that any reasonable person knows will likely result in death or serious injury to Cooper? I don't think you can say that texting while you're in charge of your child's welfare is so inherently dangerous that it rises to the level of criminal negligence. What are your thoughts on this?

In any event, if Ross is convicted of felony murder predicated on 2nd degree child cruelty - on appeal this will be a case of first impression in Georgia. There's really no guidance from other state's similar cases because Georgia's murder and felony murder statutes are somewhat unique.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Court resumes. Detective R.B. Smith, from the Cobb County High Tech Crimes unit, returns to the stand to continue testimony.

Cross-examination continues to look at Harris' phone records, including chats and search history.

Defense focuses on article Harris looked at the morning of Cooper's death. Harris Googled, &#8220;Why is it hazy when it&#8217;s hot.&#8221;

Defense says that article doesn't predict weather or show expected temperature for the day.