trial thread: 3/22/2012

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RaffertyLFP: April 12th video resume McClintic says there is no way she is in video based on her the time frame [via Twitter]

 

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Gotta go for an hour...keep up with the tweets. :hug:

 

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Adrian Morrow ‏
McClintic says now that she didn't believe she could have killed Tori, so she repressed that memory during the police interview.


:what: WHAT?

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Derstine continues listing a number of other assault charges, many a result of altercations with other inmates in youth facilities. McClintic says she has seen many counsellors over her life for her rage, mostly while in correctional institutions.

McClintic saw a probation officer in August 2008 and described having violent fantasies and was recommended for psychiatric counselling. McClintic's failure to get help and parole violations eventually led to her arrest after Tori's disappearance.

Derstine asks McClintic about her state of mind on April 12, 2009, when she began recounting the events on the day of Tori's disappearance after her arrest. "At that point in time I had drove it in my head that I wasn’t involved," she tells the court. The jury is now shown portions of a video recorded as McClintic speaks to a police officer.

In the interview she tells the officer she was walking near College Avenue Secondary School on April 8, 2009 listening to music. She laughs as she describes the artist she was listening to, Necro, as "death rap."

McClintic tells the officer she remembers passing by an older woman near CASS who was looking towards Oliver Stephens Public School but doesn't remember whether there was anyone walking near herself. "I can't put nobody there," she says in the video. School was out and there were children around, McClintic says in the video.

In the video, McClintic tells the officer she was "under the influence" and can't remember much of April 8, 2009.

In the next segment, McClintic is shown the CASS surveillance video and the officer asks her is she is in it. She is unsure so the officer plays it again but McClintic is still uncertain.

Eventually McClintic tells Det. Const. Sean Kelly that there is "no way" she is around the area at 3:32 p.m. on April 8, 2009. Derstine has been grilling McClintic about her detailed story she tells the officer about what she was wearing, including detailed descriptions of her clothing and shoes. McClintic tells the court she had repressed her memories of the event, though can say now that she was lying to the officer.

 

[Sailor Bug]

McClintic saying her shoes are different from the person on the video. Explaining how her dress shoes look.

McClintic said she had paper work from the employment centre, her ID and other items in the purse she was carrying.

McClintic explaining her hair cut to Kelly on the tape. Says she got gum in her hair, cut it, and left it the the garbage at her home.

Recording over. McClintic says even seeing herself walking on the video with Tori didn't break her memory block on the incident.

In video McClintic talks to police about shoes of the women in video, explains she had cut her hair because she had got gum in it

asks McClintic why she didn't tell tell police she was women in video walking with Tori. She said she blocked it out

Lunch recess until 2:20

 

[nobodyzgirl]

McClintic tells the court that even though she saw Tori in the video, the memory "block" was so strong she couldn't recall details about April 8, 2009 to Det. Const. Kelly.

Court is now on lunch break.

by Jon Hembrey 12:58 PM

 

[dilbert]

If I remember correctly the exact wording of the charges, originally her charges were kidnapping and abduction and than when she said it was her, they went to murder 1

May 24 police interview she accused MR of killing Tori, but admits she was present during it all.

May 28, her charges were upgraded to first degree murder.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/641761--new-tori-murdercharge

WOODSTOCK–An 18-year-old woman charged in the disappearance of eight-year-old Tori Stafford saw her charges upgraded to first-degree murder Thursday.

An accessory charge against Terri-Lynne McClintic, 18, was upgraded to murder and an abduction charge became kidnapping with intent of unlawful confinement.

Michael Rafferty, 28, is charged with first-degree murder, and his abduction charge in Tori's April 8 disappearance has also become a kidnapping charge.

 

[puppyraiser]

TLM stated that MR had said "she was all talk" and in the past, when dared she followed through (stabbing in Sudbury) so I suspect rather than looking weak to him she took Tori.
I'm still not buying that she had a flashback and that's why she struck Tori with the hammer. IMO a 'flashback' would more likely to have caused her to go after the adult assaulting the child, not the other way around.

 

[KMouse]

I have to say I am thankful that TLM plead guilty to the charges and is testifying. Had she also gone to trial her messed up past, abuse and drug addiction could have been considered mitigating factors and we might not have her locked up for 25 years.

 

[Sillybilly]

I'm still not buying that she had a flashback and that's why she struck Tori with the hammer. IMO a 'flashback' would more likely to have caused her to go after the adult assaulting the child, not the other way around.

<rsbm>

Unless she wanted to kill the little girl that she hated ... that was herself?

I can see issues of abandonment, combined with an abusive upbringing, resulting in a child hating who she was, believing she must be bad because she was given away and disliked by people. Kinda like in divorce when a young child, who can't see the whole picture but can only relate things to themselves, believes it must be their fault that the parents separated.

Taking off my little freudian hat now

 

[fats]

If Rafferty takes the stand:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120322/stafford-tori-trail-rafferty-
20120322/#ixzz1pqvxBUc8

What will his version of the story be? If it comes down to who swung the fatal blow---that is really splitting hairs on GUILT---what he did to the little girl is as bad as murder--it is torture.

 

[puppyraiser]

<rsbm>

Unless she wanted to kill the little girl that she hated ... that was herself?

I can see issues of abandonment, combined with an abusive upbringing, resulting in a child hating who she was, believing she must be bad because she was given away and disliked by people. Kinda like in divorce when a young child, who can't see the whole picture but can only relate things to themselves, believes it must be their fault that the parents separated.

Taking off my little freudian hat now

As an adopted child, I totally get that! Thankfully I had a wonderful adoptive family.

I still go back to my suspicion that TLM has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and along with her abusive upbrining, was destined to be on the wrong side of the law. She will always be a danger to society IMO. Even amazing families who have adopted children with FAS struggle when those kids reach the teen age years and all h*** breaks loose.

 

[Sailor Bug]

Tori Stafford trial: McClintic says violent diary rants were just anger release

March 22, 2012 12:03 PM

http://www.canada.com/news/Tori+Sta...ts+were+just+anger+release/6342158/story.html

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I realize shooting up drugs with her adoptive mother is totally wrong. Plus the adoptive factor when she was younger 'may' have downed her too. Gee, if it was my bio child I'd be very upset to have learned this mother did all these things with my child.. however, the bio couldn't keep TL, unfortunatley... or fortunately who knows... thanks!!

I believe TLM would have turned out alot differently had she been adopted by someone other who she was adopted by, Carol wasn't much of an example; TLM didn't have chance at ever having a normal life with Carol.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

If TLM is trying to pin the murder on MTR, then why is she saying now that she did it?

If TLM is lying about MTR being the murderer, and admitting it herself, wouldn't Derstine be happy she is now confessing to being the one to wield the hammer?

If Victoria Stafford was murdered during the course of a kidnapping, aren't the kidnappers guilty of murder, regardless of who actually swung the death blow on the precious child?

JMO, but I believe that they are trying to prove that she is a liar, so if she lied about everything, it's also possible she lied about the rape.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

Yeah, I guess not. I believe AG mentioned TLM's Facebook profile was was wide open until her arrest. I was thinking about the case where a teacher was forced into resigning after she posted a picture of herself on Facebook holding a drink. She had all kinds of security in place, but perhaps some "friend" informed the school anonymously.

I remember that show, the teacher was fired because she complained about the children being brats.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

If I remember correctly the exact wording of the charges, originally her charges were kidnapping and abduction and than when she said it was her, they went to murder 1

I believe also she was charged for trying to help MTR flee the area?

 

[antiquegirl]

RaffertyLFP:

Derstine asks McClintic why she didn't tell tell police she was women in video walking with Tori. She said she blocked it out

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Recording over. McClintic says even seeing herself walking on the video with Tori didn't break her memory block on the incident.

Seriously? She blocked it out? Then how does she explain that she concocted a whole scenario about that afternoon that was in her journal? This was after Tori was murdered but before this interview - just a gap of four days there.

http://nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/stafford-trial-11.jpg

So, she is still lying, still making excuses. She has nothing to lose now by telling the truth, but once a habitual liar, always a habitual liar, it seems.

JMO

 

[ChaChaCha]

I believe also she was charged for trying to help MTR flee the area?

I don't recall that specifically, but it may have been part of the accessory and abduction charges that were laid after the police interview when she admitted she was a participant. Initially, it seems, TLM pointed the finger squarely at MR ... he was the one that wanted to abduct and abuse a young girl. With him as the prime instigator, TLMs inital charges were as an "accessory". The charges against TLM were upgraded with her confession that she was the murdered ,,, which she did plead guilty to.

I don't know that MR ever did try to leave the area between the time of TS death and when he was arrested, but then again, neither did she. Interesting that it was TLMs neighbours that phoned in with the tip of MRs licence plate, which gave investigators a clue as to his identity.

 

[Hello_Kitty]

I don't know that MR ever did try to leave the area between the time of TS death and when he was arrested, but then again, neither did she. Interesting that it was TLMs neighbours that phoned in with the tip of MRs licence plate, which gave investigators a clue as to his identity.

Snipped and BBM:

I don't know that he ever tried to flee either, however I do remember that was one of the charges before she was charged with murder.

As for him actually fleeing, there is alot we don't know yet, I'm interested to see what the crown will reveal about how MTR acted just before he was arrested, that was part of the opening arguments, or part of the chapter thingie they have going?