trial thread: 3/27/2012

[antiquegirl]

TLM claimed that they discussed different scenarios on the one night they got together before she was picked up for the probation violation. TLM writes everything down in a journal that's going through her head apparently. Something MR was obviously unaware of or he'd have known all the other stuff she'd written and would have run for the hills. I'm sure this was all written down after she got home from that talk with MR. I don't think she ever indicated that they sat there together writing up scenarios.

And TLM had no intention of confessing until May 19th when she finally did. Heck she even passed the lie detector. Not sure exactly what prompted her to confess but why would she have wanted to alert MR to her personal journal when she had no plans of telling anything?

There was probably a lot of other private and personal stuff in there other than what was brought out in court that would not be considered evidence.

MOO

(BBM)

True. Good point. Still, had she had half a brain cell, she would have been worried about that journal. She had been questioned about Tori, had gone on the "walk", and had been given the polygraph, so she must have known she was on the radar. So, either too dumb, or already considering it didn't matter as the CASS video already implicated her. MTR's situation, on the other hand, was not helped at all by his name mentioned in the alibi.

JMO

 

[matou]

The parallel I am trying to draw is that if you were to buy defence suggestions, it would still be hard to believe that a 28 year old man would not have tried to do something heroic instead of going along with hiding a body, lying to LE etc etc. It flies in the face of what mothers would expect of their sons in a tough spot. It sickens me. Hero or zero IMO because there was definately no in between. ZERO! IMO BIG FAT ZERO!

Thank you. I agree.

 

[swedie]

I wonder who the scary guy with the bloodshot eyes was? :waitasec:

Would be interesting to find out. Maybe MR was hallucinating because he was so hacked out on drugs. Maybe the devil was paying him a visit? :moo::devil::floorlaugh:

 

[dilbert]

The parallel I am trying to draw is that if you were to buy defence suggestions, it would still be hard to believe that a 28 year old man would not have tried to do something heroic instead of going along with hiding a body, lying to LE etc etc. It flies in the face of what mothers would expect of their sons in a tough spot. It sickens me. Hero or zero IMO because there was definately no in between. ZERO! IMO BIG FAT ZERO!

Well, if you're going to buy the defence's suggestion, then MR didn't even know TLM was going to kill Tori and wasn't present during the killing, so he couldn't be heroic and stop it. If she threatened him after and told him he would go to jail too, just for being there, then he'd be wise to keep his mouth shut, especially if there were any other threats against him or his family by TLM.

Maybe you or I wouldn't act the way he did after, likely because we're both law abiding citizens, not drug addicts and don't associate with criminals, but who knows what was going through his mind after? We aren't him, so no one can say for certain what he should or could have done.

I'm not saying this is what happened, nor if it is, I'm not saying it's right, but it doesn't make him a rapist, pedophile or a murderer either, far from it.

MOO

 

[snoofer]

Well, if you're going to buy the defence's suggestion, then MR didn't even know TLM was going to kill Tori and wasn't present during the killing, so he couldn't be heroic and stop it. If she threatened him after and told him he would go to jail too, just for being there, then he'd be wise to keep his mouth shut, especially if there were any other threats against him or his family by TLM.

Maybe you or I wouldn't act the way he did after, likely because we're both law abiding citizens, not drug addicts and don't associate with criminals, but who knows what was going through his mind after? We aren't him, so no one can say for certain what he should or could have done.

I'm not saying this is what happened, nor if it is, I'm not saying it's right, but it doesn't make him a rapist, pedophile or a murderer either, far from it.

MOO

But it does make him a <modsnip>. IMO Any man OR woman in that suggested situation who could respond in that way after the murder is a zero IMO.

 

[ChaChaCha]

BBM

How is heading out of Guelph on Hwy 6 north to Mt Forest going out the back way towards Woodstock which is in the complete opposite direction to the south? :waitasec:

MOO

Da*n! All my hard work spinning a tale and I get tripped up because I have absolutely no sense of direction. Still, they say there is a fool born every day, and MR might have been behind the door when the smarts were being handed out. Now TLM on the other hand has the kind of street smarts and life experiences that you just can't learn from a book. She has lived a hard knock life, and is used to thinking on her feet in order to save her own butt. I think that is why the lies come so easily to her - she is very practiced and has had good examples in the art of living hand to mouth and abusing the system. She does know when it is appropriate to cry, to apologize, to be kind - but these are likely emotions that are very foreign to her - she is only mimiking what she has seen in others and doesn't have the actual emotions - except her anger, which is all encompassing.

I do think though that TLM formulated her plan on the fly - MR is lucky she doesnt drive or he may have found himself with a splitting headache - no witnesses.

Question: How is it that nobody has mentioned whether TLM was worried whether MR would turn her in or cave under questioning and give her up?

Was the guy with the bloodshot eyes in the parking lot delivering a message from TLM or his mother that freaked MR out? Otherwise, why even mention him? It seemed like such a random comment from MR at the time.

Ah well, the defence hasn't asked for my help yet, cause you know I really, really want to pitch them the Banditos scenario, so I guess they feel they have it under control.

JMO

 

[swedie]

(BBM)

That was exactly my point. TLM claimed that he helped her compose the alibi/cover story. I'm suggesting that it was all her doing and he knew nothing about it.

And I think if she really wanted to get rid of that journal, there would have been a way to ask him to get it without incriminating either of them. She could have just mentioned a notebook with a love letter in it to him and told him to go read it. This was even true. Once he saw the entry with the alibi and his own name in it, he'd have known to destroy it.

JMO

Me thinks CM found the journal and turned it in to LE. :floorlaugh::woohoo::angel:

 

[dilbert]

But it does make him a <modsnip>. IMO Any man OR woman in that suggested situation who could respond in that way after the murder is a zero IMO.

Personally, I'd rather be a "BIG FAT ZERO" than a pedophile, rapist and murderer. What's TLM? A child murderer and puppy nuker.

MOO

 

[matou]

I mentioned before that I thought MR was leaving online clues and he was already spreading rumours to his friends about TLM and spinning something about Tara and JG being the motive for what happened. Same kind of spinning I had read here for years, by the way. He was up to something. JMO

 

[Juris_Prudence]

The parallel I am trying to draw is that if you were to buy defence suggestions, it would still be hard to believe that a 28 year old man would not have tried to do something heroic instead of going along with hiding a body, lying to LE etc etc. It flies in the face of what mothers would expect of their sons in a tough spot. It sickens me. Hero or zero IMO because there was definately no in between. ZERO! IMO BIG FAT ZERO!

I read the article but I didn't see anything there that would suggest that the rescuers were possibly under the influence of drugs at the time. I also didn't see anything to suggest that they may have been threatened by a gang banger who had just murdered a little girl in cold blood. I don't think its a fair comparison really, but I DO get your point and I do agree with the concept. :twocents:

 

[K.Scarpetta]

I am new here so hello to all.
I have been reading all the forms but have not been able to reply. Here are my thoughts.
So today why didn't either the crown or the defense ask if BA saw anything weird about the car or if there was anyone else in the back of the car?

Does anyone think MR will take the stand and if so when? Since Thursday there is a scheduling mix up does anyone know if the jury will go out to the crime scene??

Welcome,
I was also wondering the same thing about BA, it seems that they could have asked more questions. Perhaps she was a reluctant witness?

 

[matou]

I read the article but I didn't see anything there that would suggest that the rescuers were possibly under the influence of drugs at the time. I also didn't see anything to suggest that they may have been threatened by a gang banger who had just murdered a little girl in cold blood. I don't think its a fair comparison really, but I DO get your point and I do agree with the concept. :twocents:

Again? Where are the MSN reports or tweets that MR was threatened by her or anyone? JMO

 

[K.Scarpetta]

Da*n! All my hard work spinning a tale and I get tripped up because I have absolutely no sense of direction. Still, they say there is a fool born every day, and MR might have been behind the door when the smarts were being handed out. Now TLM on the other hand has the kind of street smarts and life experiences that you just can't learn from a book. She has lived a hard knock life, and is used to thinking on her feet in order to save her own butt. I think that is why the lies come so easily to her - she is very practiced and has had good examples in the art of living hand to mouth and abusing the system. She does know when it is appropriate to cry, to apologize, to be kind - but these are likely emotions that are very foreign to her - she is only mimiking what she has seen in others and doesn't have the actual emotions - except her anger, which is all encompassing.

I do think though that TLM formulated her plan on the fly - MR is lucky she doesnt drive or he may have found himself with a splitting headache - no witnesses.

Question: How is it that nobody has mentioned whether TLM was worried whether MR would turn her in or cave under questioning and give her up?

Was the guy with the bloodshot eyes in the parking lot delivering a message from TLM or his mother that freaked MR out? Otherwise, why even mention him? It seemed like such a random comment from MR at the time.

Ah well, the defence hasn't asked for my help yet, cause you know I really, really want to pitch them the Banditos scenario, so I guess they feel they have it under control.

JMO

I was waiting for you to mention it again - the Banditos theory

 

[Kamille]

Da*n! All my hard work spinning a tale and I get tripped up because I have absolutely no sense of direction. Still, they say there is a fool born every day, and MR might have been behind the door when the smarts were being handed out. Now TLM on the other hand has the kind of street smarts and life experiences that you just can't learn from a book. She has lived a hard knock life, and is used to thinking on her feet in order to save her own butt. I think that is why the lies come so easily to her - she is very practiced and has had good examples in the art of living hand to mouth and abusing the system. She does know when it is appropriate to cry, to apologize, to be kind - but these are likely emotions that are very foreign to her - she is only mimiking what she has seen in others and doesn't have the actual emotions - except her anger, which is all encompassing.

I do think though that TLM formulated her plan on the fly - MR is lucky she doesnt drive or he may have found himself with a splitting headache - no witnesses.

Question: How is it that nobody has mentioned whether TLM was worried whether MR would turn her in or cave under questioning and give her up?

Was the guy with the bloodshot eyes in the parking lot delivering a message from TLM or his mother that freaked MR out? Otherwise, why even mention him? It seemed like such a random comment from MR at the time.

Ah well, the defence hasn't asked for my help yet, cause you know I really, really want to pitch them the Banditos scenario, so I guess they feel they have it under control.

JMO

Yeah, TLM is so good at lying about her criminal deeds that she's gotten caught on every one of them. :floorlaugh:

I'd say MR is the more experienced, street smart liar in this pair based on that interview and the farce of a defence we're seeing now.

Why would TLM worry about MR caving when if he had, he would have had to lead LE to the crime scene and they would have found the evidence of the sexual assault?

And I'd say that MR was lucky that he opened the trunk for TM to put that hammer in instead of putting it in the back seat or Victoria might have taken matters into her own hands and the two of them would have had a splitting headache.

Did the guy with the bloodshot eyes even exist? MR lied about everything else in that interview.

Too bad the Banditos weren't involved here because there would be no MR today to be standing trial IMO. I'm sure if any of them are in the prison he ends up in they'll voice their opinion of him. :wink:

MOO

 

[dilbert]

FWIW, I think it's spelled, Bandidos, not sure they'd take too kindly being referenced to sound like a bag of zesty snacks.

 

[Kamille]

Welcome,
I was also wondering the same thing about BA, it seems that they could have asked more questions. Perhaps she was a reluctant witness?

The crown doesn't have to establish that Victoria was hidden in the back seat, out of sight. They already have with direct evidence.

It would have been in the defence's interest to establish that she was just hanging around in the back seat of the vehicle talking to TLM.

I guess they couldn't.

MOO

 

[K.Scarpetta]

FWIW, I think it's spelled, Bandidos, not sure they'd take too kindly being referenced to sound like a bag of zesty snacks.

My bad

 

[Kamille]

Personally, I'd rather be a "BIG FAT ZERO" than a pedophile, rapist and murderer. What's TLM? A child murderer and puppy nuker.

MOO

Must be tough to be considered all of them. :waitasec:

MOO

 

[crazyladi]

Does anyone know if any of them have ties to the Mount Forest area?? why would they chose mount forest

MTR has ties to mount forest that is coming up sometime soon

 

[dilbert]

My bad

Just teasin' ya, lol