GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #2

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For those who said perhaps SS got herself into trouble by dressing too provocatively...

there's a funny article in the Turkish press this morning. No new info, but it covers many of the various rumors about SS going around Istanbul all trying to suggest the murder was her fault somehow, she was strange, she was weird, she was a criminal, etc.

A rumor has mentioned her clothes.

It says they were too "masculine"! And thus weird. It's a good warning for us all never to assume how SS or we ourselves appear to those of other cultures.

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  • #1,702
This is my first post, so please bear with me.

I am extremely fascinated by this case for a number of reasons: I live in Munich, I'm a young woman who travels often (and occasionally alone), and I've been to Istanbul.

There are few things I'd like to offer up...
- I don't think her electronics will be recovered, because they are likely disposed of in the water. It's obvious they weren't stolen for their material worth, but because they held some sort of evidence - otherwise her jewelry would have been taken, too. Someone who knows her through IG would also be aware she had more images than were posted online. These fill the gaps as to who she was with and what she was doing. Were these things used by the killer? Reports state some of her accounts were accessed post-mortem. Hopefully they have also searched the water nearby.

- It would be interesting to know how she spent her time and with whom. If she spoke with her husband and boys it's likely she didn't disclose fully that she was meeting with new friends, but surely she would have said what she saw, ate, or experienced to a point.

- An article I read also made it sound like she just had a long layover in MUC, but the days don't add up. I don't believe she took the train between AMS and MUC. They don't stamp passports in the Schengen Zone or at the train station, so she only would have had her passport stamped at the airport upon departure. Oftentimes flights are cheaper than the train anyway and that is one long journey, but it could account for some of her missing days that no one seems to give any attention to. Taking the train is also a bit romantic and sounds less expensive, although it typically isn't. The Daily Mail article states she "flew to AMS and MUC the next day", which sounds like flights between the two... but again, the dates are off.

- Munich is a very safe city, but it is also expensive. For being on a major budget this isn't a place I'd stay for several days. I find it very interesting there is literally no information about her visit, which reports vary from 1-3 days. If she did stay here she likely stayed with someone through AirBnB or she stayed at a hostel near the main train station, which coincidentally is in the heavily Turkish area of the city. I haven't even seen much in the news here about this case. I don't believe she actually spent the night here. The airport in MUC has free wifi for 30 minutes. Again... why so few photos to her IG account?

- I wondered about the trafficking gold, jewelry, or drug angle, only because Istanbul is a crossroads, it's quick money, and the unpredictability of drugs / sinister characters in the trafficking world could account for her brutal death. If that was the case, she likely wouldn't have needed to phone her husband for cash to change her ticket... unless someone wanted her to take something back to the US before wiring money, which could explain her urgent need to change her ticket at whatever cost. She didn't know how to say no, but decided it wasn't a good idea, thus changing her ticket to get out of there ASAP. From what I read it was 4 days before the intended departure, so the $400+ ticketing fee is hefty.

- It mentioned in one article that it was the left side of her head, which was beaten. If that is the case this is also something that would be the same if she was traveling as a passenger in a vehicle. I am guessing she wasn't moved to the scene, but it just gave me pause. Seeing as she was likely beaten with a rock or her head was hit on something it also seems this wasn't premeditated. According to NY Daily News "A worker who viewed Sierra’s body before it was taken to the airport told The News on Wednesday that she had severe bruises on her legs and scratches on her wrists." The more recent, if not always reliable Daily Mail, also states her torso had bruising and her right hip was injured. Very violent.

- This article states "Taylan" AKA TK is 30 years old. It also gives Ammer's full name. http://www.todayszaman.com/news-305...issing-new-yorker-met-with-her-on-jan-20.html
- Ammer looks uncannily like her husband. As for the "street art" she'd be better going to Berlin. She went to AMS because of him / having a free place to stay.
- I am undecided on the Tarkan sex angle. There are so many places to have sex, so a bathroom at a club sounds off. It isn't impossible, obviously, but I don't know people who this is common place for, nor I have I stumbled upon it. It sounds like something gossip rags thrive on.

- She was seen wearing her wedge boots at the airport and also at the food court shortly before her disappearance. This photo is from instagram (and the only time I've seen it), but it shows a bag that could easily contain extra shoes. If only we knew if it was the same / the type of shoes. I think this photo was from the NYC subway.

Here's my theory:
While her marriage has no bearing on what happened to her / is not my business this is my pure speculation...

She and her husband had hit a rough patch and she was excited to find some independence and admiration from the IG community. As many have stated she was a very young mother who likely was searching for her own identity now that her children were a bit older.

She likely met online "friends" from Istanbul and decided she "knew" people, it was reasonably affordable compared to the usual European destinations and let's not forget she probably did relish in being admired. She's a red blooded woman who has been with the same man for a long long time, so there's a bit of romance in going off to visit this exotic foreign land and finally doing something for herself in the meantime. These men gave her attention and she entertained it. Not good, not bad, just what it is.

To me, it's clear she was looking for something. The photography is a bit of a ruse considering she'd spend gobs of money to take the trip, which sounds as though was tight, to document things with a camera phone / ipad. Surely someone she knew had a better camera she could borrow. I get, but don't understand, that IG is a photo subculture. I'm also curious as to why she posted so few photos to IG - isn't the greatness of it the immediacy of sharing? Those answers unfortunately are locked up with her missing electronics, which I am going to guess are submerged in the Bosphorus.

She stayed with men, which gives me pause for the stability of her marriage, although several reports indicate she was staying with her parents before the trip. I am not one to think women and men cannot be friends, but there isn't much indication these new "friends" (all of whom happen to be men) knew about her life back home. The flirty tone of "You show me yours, I'll show you mine" on IG is very suggestive.

We have a sizable Turkish population here in Munich and the men can be very savvy with their flattery, which is quite easy to mistake for friendliness, especially because she likely did get lonely being gone for so long. The moment she would interact with anyone in Istanbul they would know she was a foreign woman and likely alone, which doesn't make her a target in my eyes as much as a source for curiosity.

Isn't part of traveling the fun element of being out of your comfort zone? You take chances you otherwise wouldn't, you try new foods, you talk to new people. It's all exciting.

Unfortunately for SS it sounds as though there was a major lapse in communication. For some reason someone became violently angry towards her. We all want to know why, because it offers us some sort of reassurance that things like this don't just happen or that we could somehow avoid it ourselves.

The person who did this left some identity markers: her license and jewelry, so she could be identified at some point.

I hope this tangled web can be figured out soon for her family and loved ones.
 
  • #1,703
Another thing...

Sierra had twice met with Taylan during her solo two-week trip: on Jan. 13 and Jan. 20, Polat said. They met at bars, where they drank wine and beer and nibbled on Turkish delicacies, including lamb intestines.
Both times, the pair split the bill and Taylan walked her home because she was living in “a dangerous neighborhood,” Polat said.
On Jan. 20, they made tentative plans to meet the following day near the Galata Bridge, but by the time Taylan awoke, he already had a message from Sierra saying she was heading out.

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This begs the question why they'd hook up in a bathroom. She clearly had a place and he knew where she stayed. Also, why wouldn't they meet at a more stationary point that she knew instead of the vague "near the Galata Bridge", which is always teaming with people and a bit expansive.
 
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I'm new here so be gentle with me! I'd like to offer my thoughts - it's only a rough scenario without exact details - feel free to rip it apart as it may give me other directions to lean toward.

Sarai had had money problems, possibly marital problems too. Her husband and/or brother were offered the chance to make some money. All it involved was Sarai and her friend delivering a package from Istanbul to Amsterdam, no chance of them getting caught. When put to Sarai and her friend that they could have the trip of a lifetime with all expenses paid, be able to sort out their debt problems and maybe have enough left over to take the boys to Disneyland, they agreed. After no doubt being hesitant at first, Sarai got excited that she would also be able to indulge her newly discovered passion for photography and maybe even meet up with some of her fellow IGers. Her friend got cold feet and backed out. A second scenario is that Sarai was offered the deal and discussed it with her husband who agreed this would be a way to solve their money problems.

All flights were booked and paid for in the US. All goes well in Istanbul. Sarai meets her contact, collects the package and safely delivers it to Amsterdam. I don't think Ammer is involved, but I do think he and his fellow countrymen badmouthed Turks. Sarai returns to Istanbul and decides to bring forward her flight home as she isn't so trusting of her contacts now.

On the day before she is due to fly home, somewhere in the Galata district she meets up with her contact at a pre-arranged time to collect her earnings. (I haven't thought out how she was able to keep in touch with her contacts other than maybe she was given a turkish mobile.) A second member of the smuggling gang was assigned to follow her and snatch back the payout when the opportunity arose. She could hardly go the police and say she'd had her bag snatched - what was in the bag madam? - my phone, ipad and $10000!. As Taylan/Tarkan who may or may not have had sex with her hadn't bothered showing up, what was she going to do now, maybe she'd take a stroll along the waterfront. She walks along the water side of the road whilst the gang member, not believing his luck that she's made it so easy for him, follows at a distance on the other side of the road. Is it possible that the other side of the road is not covered by cameras as Sarai was not able to be tracked once she had crossed the road? Once she had, the gang member sees his opportunity and attempts to snatch back the payout which Sarai has put inside her jacket. Who would expect such a little lady to put up such a big struggle and be able to make so much noise and so the rock comes into play. Without generalising, life can be cheap in Turkey. Cool, calm and collected, the gang member stuffs the jacket and it's contents inside her bag without noticing her driving licence fall out of her pocket. He makes an attempt to conceal the body/frame the local down and outs and he's on his way out of there.

When Sarai doesn't arrive home as planned, her husband/brother try contacting her IG friends, who don't know her whereabouts. They now know something has gone wrong with the job but can hardly go the police about it, can they? All they can do is go to Istanbul themselves and be co-operative with but not helpful to the investigators.

Just some other observations along my way :

I think it was last year, there was a street art festival in Tarlabasi which, given her love of graffitti could have drawn her to stay in the area. (If I was on my first trip abroad I would have had to show some photos immediately and worry about editing them later. There should have been some amazing art for her to photograph in her area).

I would be very interested to know how she travelled to and from the airport each time. The cheapest way I have found to do it is to pre-book a transfer on the internet. Did she do this, take a taxi, take public transport or did someone chauffeur her?

As far as her message about going to the Asian side, I've met several tourists there who think that Galata, Taksim etc are the European side and as soon as you cross the water, ie cross the Galata Bridge to Sultan Ahmet, Sirkeci, Cankuratan, they are on the Asian side. If she was "the most uninformed tourist there" maybe she had this idea.

I've always thought that the DNA taken from 22 people was to rule them OUT as suspects rather than to rule them IN. I imagine most of these are the wall-dwellers.

Maybe Taylan/Tarkan felt obligated to meet with her once she was in his city. They met for coffee a couple of times, he may have got lucky. IF he did, I bet he won't be so keen on opportunistic sex with a passing acquaintance in the future.

Maybe her phone and i-pad being taken was not a deliberate action but incidental. They could well be at the bottom of the Bosphorous.

In the beginning, reports stated that the friend had backed out as she was not working at the time. Her facebook pages states "Personal Wedding Coordinator · New York, New York · 2004 to present".

I don't believe she was killed by a serial killer, but I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed - http://haber.mynet.com/sarai-seri-katilin-5-kurbani-mi-677185-guncel.

I find this exchange from webstagram interesting :
forward #saraisierra #lastweek #action #search #help #the_citylife #all_shots #instagramhub #instagramers #please #tragic #helpme 2w .
devonmiles1981 If you have seen her please let me know, she was last seen in #istanbul to check out the asian side of the city but never returned and all her stuff was still in her room @sahhrudd was the last person to see her. Please help us to find this lovely woman and mother of 2 kids. We pray for her and her family that she will return home safely!! 2w.
devonmiles1981 #ighelp #person #miss #family #look #searching 2w.
devonmiles1981 #come #home #safe #bless #pray 2w.
surndrdabooty How did you know @sahhrudd was the last person to see her, 6 days ago? 1w.
devonmiles1981 @surndrdabooty that is old info, i was told by steven not to mention his name no more, more names have showed up if you follow the news which i assume you follow 1w
 
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This is my first post, so please bear with me.

WELCOME to WS!!!! Welcome to the thread...great first post!!!!!!!

-- Electronics: I agree it is unlikely they will be found. The story went that someone turned on her missing phone on the 30th (Skype connection) and 31st. The body was found shortly thereafter. It was either a guilty party (we'll never see the electronics again) or a scavenger (why haven't they turned up?).

-- How she spent her time: Vague, would be great to learn more!

-- Munich: As you say, mystery. Will we ever know when she was there, why, and what she did? Lack of photos posted could be her regular practice, could indicate her primary desire was just fun, could mean little...

-- Trafficking: Certainly possible at this point. We still don't have evidence to point to. Her husband said he wired her $500 to change the ticket.

-- Killed on scene, or moved?: Most Turkish LE sources have said she was most likely killed on scene, but all theories are being explored.

-- Shoes/boots/heels: ThinkHard is our resident shoe expert. It's unclear which she was found with, and if they were on or off, and if any pairs are missing...

-- Your theory of her travels: Coincides with what most of us think, that she was up for exploration, adventure and at least flirtation with her foreign male pals. But did that state of mind and any of these guys contribute to her murder? How?

-- Taylan's dates with SS: You're right, if he walked her home, why take her to a nightclub to hook up? Maybe she didn't want her landlord to know about her sex life? It's still a matter of some dispute whether Taylan said they had sex in a nightclub bathroom or not.

You raise great questions, and your thinking coincides with that of many on here. A lot remains murky, and we're really struggling to make sense of what we know, which is frustratingly little.
 
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I'm new here so be gentle with me! I'd like to offer my thoughts - it's only a rough scenario without exact details - feel free to rip it apart as it may give me other directions to lean toward.

WELCOME to WS and to this thread!!!!!!!

There's nothing to rip apart in your theory -- it is very plausible, given what we know. You've clearly read very carefully and your scenario fits all the known evidence.

I'd only offer one slight possible alteration. They do have her on video several times walking toward the wall area, and they have stated that on some of those videos, she was alone. I'm sure they're looking hard at all the video to see if she was followed. But, if it turns out she wasn't, maybe someone in the potential "drug-running" gang set up a meeting at the wall, maybe to give her the final pay-out, and then tried to rip her off. No need for a follower, then, they're waiting on the spot. Then she fights and he reacts in the moment and kills her.

We don't know how she travelled to and from the airport, but that would certainly be good info to have, as you state!!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!!!
 
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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/22551412.asp

I just found this, I can not translate. if someone could that would be great.

We talked about this one upthread somewhere. No one translated it word for word, but I think Yashim and Lavy related the key points.

This is the article that cited Websleuths as a source (yay us!).

It covered:

-- Taylan's lawyers statements to press about his good character, innocence and lack of emotional involvement with SS. Article also refers to claim Taylan told Turkish LE he and SS had sex in a nightclub bathroom Jan. 20.

-- Goes over Taylan's Instagram activities, including his nickname @taylloo, his possible nickname @sahhrudd, pictures posted there of city walls, correspondence between these users and SS, etc. Sourced this connection to Websleuths!

-- A totally different guy, nicknamed Tarkan A had an Instagram ID of @tarkan1971. He posted a comment on one of SS's photos. He claims he never met her, but was quizzed by cops for 2.5 hours anyway.

-- All theories of murder are being considered by Turkish LE. Article suggests that likeliest theory is she was lured to some guy's house, killed there and replaced at wall to throw blame on homeless (this theory in this article was the sole basis for subsequent articles on the 'killed elsewhere' theory published later yesterday in the NY Daily News and British Daily Mail).

That's about it!
 
  • #1,709
I'd only offer one slight possible alteration. They do have her on video several times walking toward the wall area, and they have stated that on some of those videos, she was alone. I'm sure they're looking hard at all the video to see if she was followed. But, if it turns out she wasn't, maybe someone in the potential "drug-running" gang set up a meeting at the wall, maybe to give her the final pay-out, and then tried to rip her off. No need for a follower, then, they're waiting on the spot. Then she fights and he reacts in the moment and kills her.

I discounted a pre-arranged meeting at the wall as, no matter how naive she was, I couldn't imagine her agreeing to meet at such an isolated spot (I've walked that road alone). She could have been told to turn left after
the bridge, follow the water and the team would make contact with her but this would not fit with her maybe meeting up with Tarkan. I think the exchange would have taken place at a certain time so that she knew she would have the rest of the day free.
 
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I discounted a pre-arranged meeting at the wall as, no matter how naive she was, I couldn't imagine her agreeing to meet at such an isolated spot (I've walked that road alone). She could have been told to turn left after the bridge, follow the water and the team would make contact with her but this would not fit with her maybe meeting up with Tarkan. I think the exchange would have taken place at a certain time so that she knew she would have the rest of the day free.

Others (not I) suggested that maybe she had been to the walls before.

The problem with her being followed or in a group is that there were some Turkish LE officials implying they had her on video -- presumably alone -- up until she literally crossed the street to go over to the walls.

It doesn't make much sense, any way you cut it. Your theory is very well thought out, and I'm not saying it's a better one to say that she had a pre-arranged meeting at the walls. Just that it's another possible scenario.

Like you, I really hope they figure it out, whoever did it and whatever the motive was!!!
 
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Still, with taxes in NYC being what they are, take home pay is not all that much..they take like 30% away on taxes...NYC tax is 8% alone. As living expenses are alot. I imagine apartment was $1500 at least

It just seems like alot to spend for a trip for a working class family, especially considering the fact that it does not seem like she was working.

It could be too that she perceived the trip as a way to make money, perhaps in a completely legal way. Like maybe something w the photography, maybe she was going to try to sell some of her pictures as a way to pay for some of the trip.

She lived in Stapleton on Staten Island though. I doubt rent would have been that high.
 
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For those who said perhaps SS got herself into trouble by dressing too provocatively...

there's a funny article in the Turkish press this morning. No new info, but it covers many of the various rumors about SS going around Istanbul all trying to suggest the murder was her fault somehow, she was strange, she was weird, she was a criminal, etc.

A rumor has mentioned her clothes.

It says they were too "masculine"! And thus weird. It's a good warning for us all never to assume how SS or we ourselves appear to those of other cultures.

LINK

Please don't rush into conclusions. The columnist is saying that it's possible that all these facts about SS and her trip may still indicate her motive to visit Istanbul was purely touristic & artistic. That "masculine" remark doesn't make sense. Many Turkish women choose to wear jeans to avoid the "male gaze."
 
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For those who said perhaps SS got herself into trouble by dressing too provocatively...

there's a funny article in the Turkish press this morning. No new info, but it covers many of the various rumors about SS going around Istanbul all trying to suggest the murder was her fault somehow, she was strange, she was weird, she was a criminal, etc.

A rumor has mentioned her clothes.

It says they were too "masculine"! And thus weird. It's a good warning for us all never to assume how SS or we ourselves appear to those of other cultures.

LINK

I didn't really get the same interpretation of that article at all. They asked if her clothes would be considered weird because they were too masculine and if it was weird that she was hiding her face from cameras. But then I think answered it by saying, that perhaps the camera angle just wasnt pointing at her face (nt that she was avoiding them) and some people have different manners of dress when they are away.

That's at least what I gleamed from it but maybe lavy or Yashim who are fluent in Turkish can help clear that up for us.

In any case thanks for the article.
 
  • #1,716
Another little tidbit this morning:

-- Press reports say that neither Sarai nor her husband have a criminal record.
 
  • #1,717
I didn't really get the same interpretation of that article at all. They asked if her clothes would be considered weird because they were too masculine and if it was weird that she was hiding her face from cameras. But then I think answered it by saying, that perhaps the camera angle just wasnt pointing at her face (nt that she was avoiding them) and some people have different manners of dress when they are away.

That's at least what I gleamed from it but maybe lavy or Yashim who are fluent in Turkish can help clear that up for us.

In any case thanks for the article.

Isn't the whole article relating various rumors and then explaining why they're mostly based on false evidence and misinterpretations?

Agreed, the native speakers can tell us more.
 
  • #1,718
Please don't rush into conclusions. The columnist is saying that it's possible that all these facts about SS and her trip may still indicate her motive to visit Istanbul was purely touristic & artistic. That "masculine" remark doesn't make sense. Many Turkish women choose to wear jeans to avoid the "male gaze."

You can tell us better than I can, for sure!

The article won't help us understand what happened to SS, but isn't it about what rumors have gone around and how they got started?

Help a non-native-speaker out, Yashim!
 
  • #1,719
Haha you gave yourself away with your hipsters comment!

:P My neighborhood is swarmed with them now...I guess I did out myself there!!!
 
  • #1,720
Steven Sierra asked Taylan to call the police, said Polat, reading from the statement his client gave cops.

THIS IS NEW TO US!!!!!!

Remember, it was mentioned somewhere that SS brother had alerted a 'friend' from Istanbul to call the police? NOW it makes sense!!!!
 
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