GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[ThinkHard]

Oh my gosh I just thought of something crazy.

What if Sarai wasnt killed on the 21st. What if she was killed or at least taken on the 20th.
What if she never went home on the night of the 20th.

What if these videos on the 21st are not sarai but are another girl who is suppose to look like sarai. I know this sounds crazy, and maybe it does sound to much like a conspiracy but just for a minute...

What if Sarai was taken the night of the 20th, and it is some scam thing, by a group. And this group hires a women to dress like sarai. They drop her off at sarai apartment late, she sleeps there, wakes up there, and walks the route she been told to take. ( mean while someone else, already has Sarai's electronics and sends messages btw sarai and Taylan that morning so that it appears sarai is still alive and well that day, even sending one to her sister) so this other sarai look alike walks to the walls and sees the car the picking her up just outside view of the cankurtan camera.

That way when her body shows up there, it looks like she went there, and it was a random attack, after all given her photography interests it would be believable.

So even though sarai died the night before, th LE is basing the investigation around her disappearing on they 21st, so they are not even looking in the right direction. Taylans alibi is secure, because the law is looking at the wrong time and day for when she disappeared.

So this sarai look a like, maybe she was some poor girl,or Russian expat, or prostitute so no one would notice she went missing. So she gets recruited told they will pay her, and all she has to do is take a walk. She doesn't see anything wrong because of course at this point sarai isn't even missing. But after she completes this mission, instead of paying her, the kill her, because they can't have a witness. They know when sarai is reported missing, she will know what she was used for, and would report them. So they kill her, dump her in the Bosphorous making it look like a suicide. And what if ths sarai look alike, the one with the red shirt, is the same girl with the red shirt they pulled from the Bosphorous just a few days before finding sarai at the walls.

I realize this is a bit of a stretch. But.......who knows at this point.

 

[Herat]

Oh my gosh I just thought of something crazy.

What if Sarai wasnt killed on the 21st. What if she was killed or at least taken on the 20th.
What if she never went home on the night of the 20th.

What if these videos on the 21st are not sarai but are another girl who is suppose to look like sarai. I know this sounds crazy, and maybe it does sound to much like a conspiracy but just for a minute...

What if Sarai was taken the night of the 20th, and it is some scam thing, by a group. And this group hires a women to dress like sarai. They drop her off at sarai apartment late, she sleeps there, wakes up there, and walks the route she been told to take. ( mean while someone else, already has Sarai's electronics and sends messages btw sarai and Taylan that morning so that it appears sarai is still alive and well that day, even sending one to her sister) so this other sarai look alike walks to the walls and sees the car the picking her up just outside view of the cankurtan camera.

That way when her body shows up there, it looks like she went there, and it was a random attack, after all given her photography interests it would be believable.

So even though sarai died the night before, th LE is basing the investigation around her disappearing on they 21st, so they are not even looking in the right direction. Taylans alibi is secure, because the law is looking at the wrong time and day for when she disappeared.

So this sarai look a like, maybe she was some poor girl,or Russian expat, or prostitute so no one would notice she went missing. So she gets recruited told they will pay her, and all she has to do is take a walk. She doesn't see anything wrong because of course at this point sarai isn't even missing. But after she completes this mission, instead of paying her, the kill her, because they can't have a witness. They know when sarai is reported missing, she will not what she was used for, and would report them. So they kill her, dump her in the Bosphorous making it look like a suicide. And the sarai look a like s this ther girl, the one they found just a few days before sarai.

Oh. *stunned silence*


Diabolical is the word I would use to describe this. And so complicated and evil it's back to drug courier issues again.

This is gonna haunt me now.

 

[Yellow]

I think there were some pictures of Sarai w her sons in NY Daily News or Daily Mail. There is a picture of her w her hair down,that picture looks like the video I think. Her hair is real long. She could have gotten her hair trimmed at some point so that is why it may not be exact

But the image looks similar I think

 

[SANDOVAL]

Oh my gosh I just thought of something crazy.

What if Sarai wasnt killed on the 21st. What if she was killed or at least taken on the 20th.
What if she never went home on the night of the 20th.

What if these videos on the 21st are not sarai but are another girl who is suppose to look like sarai. I know this sounds crazy, and maybe it does sound to much like a conspiracy but just for a minute...

What if Sarai was taken the night of the 20th, and it is some scam thing, by a group. And this group hires a women to dress like sarai. They drop her off at sarai apartment late, she sleeps there, wakes up there, and walks the route she been told to take. ( mean while someone else, already has Sarai's electronics and sends messages btw sarai and Taylan that morning so that it appears sarai is still alive and well that day, even sending one to her sister) so this other sarai look alike walks to the walls and sees the car the picking her up just outside view of the cankurtan camera.

That way when her body shows up there, it looks like she went there, and it was a random attack, after all given her photography interests it would be believable.

So even though sarai died the night before, th LE is basing the investigation around her disappearing on they 21st, so they are not even looking in the right direction. Taylans alibi is secure, because the law is looking at the wrong time and day for when she disappeared.

So this sarai look a like, maybe she was some poor girl,or Russian expat, or prostitute so no one would notice she went missing. So she gets recruited told they will pay her, and all she has to do is take a walk. She doesn't see anything wrong because of course at this point sarai isn't even missing. But after she completes this mission, instead of paying her, the kill her, because they can't have a witness. They know when sarai is reported missing, she will not what she was used for, and would report them. So they kill her, dump her in the Bosphorous making it look like a suicide. And the sarai look a like s this ther girl, the one they found just a few days before sarai.

I realize this is a bit of a stretch. But.......who knows at this point.

Yours is much more coherent than the tangles in MY mind now......the LE knows about this incident;they say that other photo is SS....even though it looks like the drowned woman (who i thought might be wearing shades for a boat cruise....eerie shivers). I was thinking'hit man got wrong target....mistake? deliberate conspiracy?...what the....?

 

[SANDOVAL]

I think there were some pictures of Sarai w her sons in NY Daily News or Daily Mail. There is a picture of her w her hair down,that picture looks like the video I think. Her hair is real long. She could have gotten her hair trimmed at some point so that is why it may not be exact

But the image looks similar I think

Whilst on the subject, why does the only pic of SS with her boys appear to be from about 5 years ago? I was thinking there would be photos from this past christmas maybe.

 

[ThinkHard]

Maybe too, that why all these homeless people booked it as in fled, not even wanting to report it to the law. Not because they were scared of the law but they are more scared of the people involved in the murder.

 

[Herat]

I was thinking'hit man got wrong target..

Yeah. I see what you mean.

But, the manner of death really doesn't look like a "hit" to me. I'd think no body ever shows up with professional "hit", rather than envisioning some hired killer using a rock and dragging a bloody body around. Messy, messy, and the potential for witnesses.

Yet, there was the news article that they are still working over something with the "Munich" event.

I feel we are going in Mobius strips, not circles.

 

[ThinkHard]

What if it wasnt a hit man. What if I wasnt an intentional murder. What if someone lost their temper. And what if this someone happens to have a rich powerful parent who has some kind of in with questionable business, and legal brothels, and who knows how to make things go away, and will do anything to protect the reputation of his family.

( maybe a little bit out there, bu in impossible) and given the weirdness of this case, it may explain why so much about this case doesn't make sense and doesn't add up.

 

[SANDOVAL]

Yeah. I see what you mean.

But, the manner of death really doesn't look like a "hit" to me. I'd think no body ever shows up with professional "hit", rather than envisioning some hired killer using a rock and dragging a bloody body around. Messy, messy, and the potential for witnesses.

I feel we are going in circles.

It was the drowning/ being shoved off a boat i was thinking....an assasination, and if some group were double crossing their own operatives....hmmph, then the murderes in both cases might have been 'removed' by now too.
But i know , i know.....:banghead:

 

[Rolandred]

Oh my gosh I just thought of something crazy.

What if Sarai wasnt killed on the 21st. What if she was killed or at least taken on the 20th.
What if she never went home on the night of the 20th.

What if these videos on the 21st are not sarai but are another girl who is suppose to look like sarai. I know this sounds crazy, and maybe it does sound to much like a conspiracy but just for a minute...

What if Sarai was taken the night of the 20th, and it is some scam thing, by a group. And this group hires a women to dress like sarai. They drop her off at sarai apartment late, she sleeps there, wakes up there, and walks the route she been told to take. ( mean while someone else, already has Sarai's electronics and sends messages btw sarai and Taylan that morning so that it appears sarai is still alive and well that day, even sending one to her sister) so this other sarai look alike walks to the walls and sees the car the picking her up just outside view of the cankurtan camera.

That way when her body shows up there, it looks like she went there, and it was a random attack, after all given her photography interests it would be believable.

So even though sarai died the night before, th LE is basing the investigation around her disappearing on they 21st, so they are not even looking in the right direction. Taylans alibi is secure, because the law is looking at the wrong time and day for when she disappeared.

So this sarai look a like, maybe she was some poor girl,or Russian expat, or prostitute so no one would notice she went missing. So she gets recruited told they will pay her, and all she has to do is take a walk. She doesn't see anything wrong because of course at this point sarai isn't even missing. But after she completes this mission, instead of paying her, the kill her, because they can't have a witness. They know when sarai is reported missing, she will know what she was used for, and would report them. So they kill her, dump her in the Bosphorous making it look like a suicide. And what if ths sarai look alike, the one with the red shirt, is the same girl with the red shirt they pulled from the Bosphorous just a few days before finding sarai at the walls.

I realize this is a bit of a stretch. But.......who knows at this point.

Also SaraiS wore her hat most of the time? Oh - I don't know, but is weird the similarities - the red shirt...and I cannot find any news about this woman they pulled out of the sea - then again, I do not speak Turkish...

 

[Herat]

If I just say I think it looks like her then I'm back on track again.

I have to believe LE has reviewed these photos with the family.

 

[zarra30]

I think the new pics are Sarai. They're up on Hurriyet, the (dare I say) "gold standard" of Turkish media reliability.

Turkish LE has said they have 20 or more images/video of her on Jan. 21 walking from her neighborhood to the Cankurtaran area on Kennedy Cad. by the city walls where her body was found. They've surely had it all mapped out for days, step by step of her journey. This is ancient news to them.

They have video of her leaving the street her AirBnb residence was on (see the NY Daily News article for details - LINK). They no doubt have ID'd her hairstyle and clothing from the first video, and it was easier to track her after that. (Earlier vids where she wore different clothes were from Jan. 20).

Article says:
"At 11:33 a.m. on Jan. 21, Sarai Sierra packed up her cell phone and iPad, shuffled out of her rented room and swung open the basement apartment’s iron door."


The LE may have a video, but just to clarify, in case anyone is confused (as I was originally was) there is no video in that article, or any pictures of her leaving her house/apartment, so I'm curious how the Daily News writer is so certain of the exact time she left. He may have assumed she left the house at 11:33 based on his own walk, or from information given to him by LE from cameras elsewhere, or engaging in a bit of artistic license, because, as far as I know, no video was ever released of her leaving her house or returning, but sources, facts seem to be afterthoughts for some reporters.

DrunkenGoogle translator also attempts to locate her at 11:33 on Jan. 21:
“11:33 hours in the Sierra the message again, this time, "I'm me if you want to access the search from the phone," he said. 12:45 hours at this time, 'Taylan' Send, "I'll be down there, I hope you are wireles" message passed. Information on the police, the Galata Tower and gathered around the camera images." is the answer.

(Can any Turkish readers please help with the actual translation?)
http://www.haberhakki.com/genel/polis-taylani-ariyor.html

 

[ThinkHard]

It's weird. Very weird. I mean what if the women that was pulled out of the water really is the same woman thought to be sarai on the videos of the 21st. And then she ends up dead?

That could mean so many things. It's at least interesting to explore it as a possibility.

In any of the ny photos was she wearing sunglasses? How do those pictures compare to th sunglasses seen on the 21st.

 

[KrysJP]

Get the tissues out

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/02/hundreds_on_staten_island_say.html#incart_m-rpt-2

 

[NewYork625]

My only question to that is would you kill somebody where you live, and leave the body in your home, covered in your blanket? And the flee your home? Most people I don't think would leave a dead body in their own home.

They might if they were mentally unstable or didn't expect to kill her and panicked.

 

[KivaSupporter]

Also SaraiS wore her hat most of the time? Oh - I don't know, but is weird the similarities - the red shirt...and I cannot find any news about this woman they pulled out of the sea - then again, I do not speak Turkish...

I suspected some connection between Sarai and the woman that drowned. Actually, I don't believe she drowned. Just a gut feeling. MOO etc.

Do any of you guys remember anything said or publlished about that woman? All I remember was that she was pulled out of water.

Maybe Yashim or alpmighty or others who are living in Turkey could tell us more about it?

 

[Herat]

It's weird. Very weird. I mean what if the women that was pulled out of the water really is the same woman thought to be sarai on the videos of the 21st. And then she ends up dead?

That could mean so many things. It's at least interesting to explore it as a possibility.

In any of the ny photos was she wearing sunglasses? How do those pictures compare to th sunglasses seen on the 21st.

Thread #1114, 4th link down has the best sunglass photos.

They look of similar size, lens color, and frame color. Jan 21 photo not of good enough resolution to be more helpful.

 

[Herat]

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Maybe Yashim or alpmighty or others who are living in Turkey could tell us more about it?

It's 4:50 am in Istanbul and I sent Yashim and alpmighty to bed. Sorry. My mistake.

 

[StCirq]

Is that an earring or a hearing aid in Z's right ear? Or something like bluetooth?

It's his left ear, actually, but I thought the same thing. What is that?

 

[alpmighty]

No you didn't. Give me 5 to boot my computer.

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