GUILTY Turkey - Sarai Sierra, 33, NY woman murdered, Istanbul, 21 Jan 2013 - #4

[mrsu]

Tarkan https://www.google.com/[email protected]%2Ftag%2Fcatlovers;150;150

Taylan @taylloo - Google Search

Noses are totally different.

 

[StCirq]

There were some news reports that David and Steven stayed with"friends of friends" in Istanbul. So family did know someone even if indirectly

That's what I said earlier. David Jimenez appears to have some Turkish contacts in Istanbul who got him and Steven Sierra free accommodations there. That seems weird to me for a random guy from Staten Island whose sister ended up going there "on vacation."

 

[PippaCatherine]

Just to make a comment: women would scream or say something or report a couple having sex in the women's room; men would apologize for interrupting. Okay, I had to say it...

LOL, hilarious but oh so true.

 

[ThinkHard]

There were some news reports that David and Steven stayed with"friends of friends" in Istanbul. So family did know someone even if indirectly

That's what I said earlier. David Jimenez appears to have some Turkish contacts in Istanbul who got him and Steven Sierra free accommodations there. That seems weird to me for a random guy from Staten Island whose sister ended up going there "on vacation."

I'm guessing that when sarai went missing, some acquaintence of his said I have friends/family in Istanbul and they would be happy to help out.
Turkish people are very hospitable that way.

I don't think this is really that weird. Haven't you ever heard 6 degrees of separation.

 

[SandyP]

Thanks for all the posts - I am trying to keep up with all your posts which is a challenge when one has to go to work.
After reading most of your posts - I will share my opinion.

I am a female American living/working in the Middle East for the last 33 years. I have visited Istanbul a couple times and traveled throughout various countries in this area.

Considering my personal experiences while traveling and the places I have visited I do not think Sarai's death was drug related. In my opinion - here is what happened - IMO:

There are several points combined that resulted in her tragedy.
Sarai married very young (age 19), she appeared to have lived a sheltered life, she was on the outs with her husband, and then started meeting guys through the photo online site. Plus she had never traveled - her trip to Istanbul was the spreading of her wings.

Without any travel experience, she was entirely too trusting which resulted in carelessness which resulted in her vulnerability: she was an easy target walking around Istanbul alone. Plus staying in that apartment alone for 17 $ per nite in not the best part of town - another bad idea.

Meeting and talking with men on the streets of Istanbul - meeting and staying with guys she met online - not a good idea.

One of these points may not have resulted in the tragedy, but when these behaviors and facts are combined they can easily result in a tragedy.

Sarai was a target the minute she arrived in Istanbul, and it is heartbreaking that she lost her life.

Drugs ? No. Naivety and carelessness, yes.
But why was she beaten and not raped?
That is the mystery for me.

I agree with this train of thought. I have rented apartments in European and Latin American cities when traveling and staying in one place for a week or more, but I am an experienced traveler and not on a severe budget like Sarai.

As a first time and inexperienced traveler the sensible and safer thing to do would be to stay at a place where there would be people working there to answer questions and other travelers to hook up with for meals and walks and share tips if you are by yourself. I'm sure there are hostels in Istanbul in Sarai's price range of $17 per night.

Only reason for her to take an apartment is the additional privacy.

 

[alpmighty]

If Turkish newspaper Hürriyet's report is to be believed, Taylan K is @taylloo and he is the guy who claimed to have met SS when she was in Istanbul. He is also the guy with the sex in the bathroom story. It's written that Taylan K provided LE with his statement during a six hour period and even went on to show LE which bar they were in and which table they took.

Taylan K also turns out to be the guy with the pictures that can be found over the Internet. The attorney that spoke to press before is his attorney, which makes him the guy with the master's degree from abroad.

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And oh by the way, the article directly mentions here as a source for some of the case related information Hürriyet has gotten before.

The article can be found here.

 

[NewYork625]

I'm guessing that when sarai went missing, some acquaintence of his said I have friends/family in Istanbul and they would be happy to help out.
Turkish people are very hospitable that way.

I don't think this is really that weird. Haven't you ever heard 6 degrees of separation.

I agree, and since they were religious they may have had a wide circle of friends/associates through the church whose friends then heard about Sarai on the news and offered to help out.

 

[alpmighty]

I do not agree. Their noses and ethnicity in the photos are entirely different.

They are the same guy, pay attention to the distinctive facial features seperately. For instance, nose doesn't really change in appearance with age, nor do the ears. Lighting and angle do not effect the perception of those much.

Those pictures depict the same guy. He's Taylan K.

 

[zarra30]

I agree with some other posters, I just don't see it as random.

And I honestly don't believe that either Taylan or even LL would have done it because they are just so damn obvious.
One was hanging out with her, sending /receiving texts, and she presumably woke up and returned to the other guy's house every night she was in Istanbul.

They look like men who wouldn't have too much trouble with women, both university educated, creative or at least touching in the arts, isn't one a photographer, the other a musician? I know, that means nothing. Anyone can have a dark side, yeah, I do get that.
But I see flirtation and interest coming from these guys not such inappropriate rage, not without some history, or people coming forward with other stories about them.

I just keep thinking, why would they be that stupid???

Taylan or even LL (who says he's not a suspect but I'm sure some people are gossiping) would have known they would be the first ones to be looked at and put under a microscope by investigators.

I'm thinking it was a crime of opportunity.
Someone that hasn't been named might have been observing her for awhile, and either gained her trust and induced her to go somewhere, or surprised her and then set upon her, got rejected and bugged out..... came to his senses and set everything in motion to make it seem like someone else and something it wasn't.

Turkish LE says they only gave out 5% of the information, so the case could go any which way with any number of suspects, i guess... but I dunno....

I agree with other posters who said it feels staged.

Just my opinion

 

[StCirq]

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<<And call me biased, but I don't think Turks are capable of committing crimes>>.


Are you kidding?

 

[SandyP]

Okay, I can now confidently say Tarkan and Taylan are different. Tarkan is Tarkan A. (@tarkan1971) and Taylan is Taylan K. (@taylloo)

Since the article mentions Tarkan A. as to be working in Finance, we can safely assume he did not kill her. He is white collar, his work schedule is tight and during his schedule (working in Finance) he has the perfect alibi. He either works in a Bank branch or HQ and every movement of his during work time is surveilled and recorded. Simply put, Tarkan A. cannot be the perp.

But all the photos that have been online - smiling or serious, handsome and young or older and rough - are Taylan? The "sex-in-the-bathroom when I thought LE had my DNA" guy whose lawyer then said "no-sex-in-bathroom when DNA didn't match."

 

[alpmighty]

But all the photos that have been online - smiling or serious, handsome and young or older and rough - are Taylan? The "sex-in-the-bathroom when I thought LE had my DNA" guy whose lawyer then said "no-sex-in-bathroom when DNA didn't match."

Correct, all the photos online belong to @taylloo, real name Taylan K. He is the one who claimed to have sex in the bathroom with SS.

The article makes it very clear.

 

[alpmighty]

Another interesting tidbit from the same article. Taylan K lawyer's reply to the reporter during his press statement:

"When Taylan K's attorney was asked about Taylan K's reported claims before that they had sex in a bar bathroom before, he stated that his client and Sarai Sierra did not have an emotional bond or relationship."

Operative word here is emotional. This was probably missed by my fellow sleuthers as most aren't native Turkish speakers, and web translation made them think that attorney suddenly denied the sex in the bathroom story.

He didn't. He carefully got around the question. A person doesn't need to have an emotional bond or a relationship with another person to have sex.

Touché.

The article is here.

 

[SandyP]

Is anyone planning to go to funeral on Thursday? David Jimenez said it is open and invited all to come. Bet the FBI will be there.

 

[looking4answers]

THIS is what worries me about posting pictures when speculating. When I click on that 2nd or 3rd picture on Google, it circumvents back to an old post on here. This is how rumors get started and innocent people get dragged into things. And lawsuits get started. Just sayin'....

This has always been my issue with dragging actual names of people into our theories, and stating how we think it is possible they did something, or especially stating it as an absolute. Especially when the news comes on here and picks it up. Though this is their fault and they are a business entity and should face whatever legal repercussions come their way, we are also culpable, and there is legal precedent for what are deemed almost smear campaigns against individuals online. I just think we should be more cautious at times. I have always felt this way about Amer since he is so far removed, and was a friend on the way, not there in her final passing. As well, even Taylan (or wtv his real name is), it is probably better to just say "the last person/people to talk to her" vs using his name and pics all the time. The police havent even named him a prime suspect, even if he was/is, there is no cause for us to smear his name, who knows, this could be affecting his employment and he hasnt been accused of anything. As well, even the association to Sarai as being a drug mule, or stating absolutely that she had an affairs. If it had been my wife and I found people smearing her name in the news when I knew she was innocent and was a victim of a murder? I would start all sorts of civil suits.

Just some thoughts

 

[StCirq]

OK, Think Hard, but a working-class guy from Staten Island who has connections in Turkey? Even through his church, that seems pretty unlikely to me.

 

[bessie]

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[necco]

OK, Think Hard, but a working-class guy from Staten Island who has connections in Turkey? Even through his church, that seems pretty unlikely to me.

Um... the largest population of Turkish Americans is in NYC.

Also, they lived in at least one other state. It's not like they had never left their Staten Island neighborhood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_American#Population

<trying to find a link about her living in another state, I know I read it somewhere>

 

[alpmighty]

The idea that SS husband or family having contacts in the Turkish underground doesn't make any sense to me. Husband arranging to have her killed is far fetched.

 

[ThinkHard]

Correct, all the photos online belong to @taylloo, real name Taylan K. He is the one who claimed to have sex in the bathroom with SS.

The article makes it very clear.

This is not true
Some photos belong to @taylloo

And some belong to @tarkan1971

Google image both handles and you will see this.

I do not think these are the same person.

The articles talk about @taylloo as taylan k

Not @tarkan1971 as tarkan