TX - 22 killed, 26 injured at Walmart, Cielo Vista, El Paso, 3 Aug 2019 *ARREST*

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A sponge or cloth soaked with a strong coagulant.
I live in earthquake country. I have several in my emergency stash. You can can buy on amazon and elsewhere.
hope I never need them, but, they don't cost much and can save lives.

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what is that?
 
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zthe STEM school shooting in Littleton CO earlier this year had two.
Thanks. I knew about that shooting but had not read any details...my anxiety about school shootings is extremely high because I have two in high school right now and we have had numerous incidents of kids being caught with guns and knives on school property and it really seems like nothing is being done about it. I’m so scared that it’s only a matter of time until it happens in one of our town’s schools.
 
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I remember CNN being hardcore about not saying Adam Lanza’s name. It didn’t seem to make any difference, because since that December day in 2012, 2,188 more people have died in mass shootings in America, and that’s not counting today.

It’s going to take a lot more than not saying their names. I honestly don’t think the people doing this care if we know their names...they want us to know their crimes.

Agree. It seems to have a negative effect in that it helps to quickly remove these crimes from public discussion and debate about solutions. Sweeping the whole thing under the rug, so to speak. We need to start labeling these people as the FBI does - domestic terrorists - and have a serious discussion about how to prevent these attacks.
 
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Have there even been any mass shootings in America that involved more than one shooter besides Columbine? All the ones that keep popping into my head were single shooters.
The San Bernardino shooting
 
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San Bernadino had two, I believe.... A school shooting in Arkansas many years ago, had two very young shooters....moo
One of the Arkansas shooters was killed in a car accident this week on a side note
 
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I’ve been toggling b/w Fox and CNN and I believe both are now reporting police responded w/i 6 minutes of the first 911 call but shots lasted about 20 minutes and the shooter was actually apprehended in his vehicle a block behind Walmart.

I suspect it’s a matter of hours before LE response is criticized instead of lauded. I hope I’m wrong—they have enough on their plate investigating the crime and healing from the horrific things they can’t unsee.
 
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What we know about the El Paso shooting suspect,
"21, reportedly attended Collin College in McKinney, Texas from fall 2017 through spring 2019.
Killer is from Allen, TX. I notice the Police Chief's name is Greg Allen.

That reminded me that Canada Gillam manhunt killers both had Allan/Allen middle names.

That made me lookup Chief Gilliam of Gilroy. I need help!
 
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One of the Arkansas shooters was killed in a car accident this week on a side note
Which begs the question:

What the heck was he doing out of prison?
 
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FWIW. It's not doing anything to prevent these putrid excuses for human beings from massacring innocent, unsuspecting members of the public. These individuals aren't usually concerned about the death penalty.

BBM

I agree Betty - these malcontents aren't (IMO) deterred by the death penalty.

I think they view dying as an honourable death - i.e. as martyrdom for whatever misguided cause they believe in whose name they may be dying.
 
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Which begs the question:

What the heck was he doing out of prison?

Tried and sentenced as a juvenile, so he got out at 21. He was a middle school student at the time.
 
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Have there even been any mass shootings in America that involved more than one shooter besides Columbine? All the ones that keep popping into my head were single shooters.
Jonesboro Arkansas 1998
 
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Until we have A.I. Such as the movie "The Minority Report", I don't see how we can predict who's going to blow a basket and do something like this.
Although, that idea on it's own is scary.
Think I'll watch that movie again tonight. It's free on amazon prime, and a good one!

Most of these mass murderers wouldn't have been flagged as insane and dangerous back when we had accessible long term mental health facilities for people who are dangers to themselves or others.

There are criteria that were sort of even necessary back in the last era of long term psych hospitals (70's-80's) which is they have to demonstrate they were a danger, (or in the old days, have really good insurance or rich parents and any diagnosis that could keep them in until the funds were exhausted).

Criteria exists to prevent abuses of people who aren't ill enough to be involuntarily committed.

Yes it has made it harder to commit people but that's not necessarily always a bad thing. Because again, many of these murderers wouldn't even be flagged. Many hadn't been diagnosed with anything. Many don't have friends or family who have more than slight concern. Most are surrounded by people who couldn't conceive of them doing something like this, even if they exhibit odd behavior or obsessions with violence and hate.

Of course lack of access to mental health care and long term facilities for people with issues is part of our nation's health crisis but again, even if we had accessible care for mentally ill people i don't think it would make a difference for a lot of these mass murderers. Most of them aren't cases of cycling involuntary holds and desperate attempts to get them treated or housed while they're seriously ill, and necessitating stablization, like Andrea Yates.

Most of these people quietly simmer under the radar until they erupt. Oh there are signs but usually not anywhere close to enough to act even if we had excellent health care for people with mental health issues.
 
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zthe STEM school shooting in Littleton CO earlier this year had two.
My cousin taught at that school until a few weeks before the shooting.
 
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I think it's best when media focus is primarily on the lives and courage of the victims/survivors/helpers. Better to minimize the ego hit for these ruthless monsters and "glorify"instead, those they tried to obliterate.

But True Crime aficionados will always be looking for the best book, movie, or account of these killers. Trying to understand the incomprehensible is compelling for many, many people. Aberrant psychology is a intensely complex, challenging (often dark, yet fascinating), field of study. ( Particularly for those with an analytical mind), a complete censure of information about these murderers is unlikely as it is unwelcome.

But I do agree with, let us go look for info, don't shove it in our faces 24/7.
 
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I wonder if Walmart will start having armed security guards. It's just a crying shame it's come to this, isn't it ?

Every time I read about posting armed guards at stores and malls, I am reminded of my daughter who, during her travels in Turkey and Bulgaria in 2001, described armed guards checking everyone entering shopping malls. Armed guards were everywhere, but that is not the USA. There must be a better solution.
 
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