GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #12

[IBsleuthin]

Can a lawyer instruct the client to just plead guilty in order to prevent a trial that is obviously guilty?

Is that legal?

 

[IBsleuthin]

I remember long ago learning that if a lawyer knew that the client knew where the body was he/she still couldn't tell the police because of client confidentiality.

I thought that law had been changed but I'm not sure about all of that.

 

[texashello]

Can a lawyer instruct the client to just plead guilty in order to prevent a trial that is obviously guilty?

Is that legal?

A lawyer can give advice to a client but it's up to the client (if they are mentally competent) if they want to follow the advice or not.

I could tell you some horror stories about that. One of the many reasons I don't practice law anymore.

The lawyer, for the most part, has to do what the client wants him or her to do, with lots of exceptions.

 

[human]

I hope this is OK because I think it is super important.

I hope any girlfriends of TH go in for counseling.

 

[skibaboo]

Re the earlier discussion about TH's condition and injuries. I spent a while today looking for the video of TH being put into the ambulance that I had seen that day. FWIW he appears to be conscious when put into the ambulance, his hand does seem to be cuffed to the side of the stretcher. Once inside the ambulance the other arm moves around a lot and it looks like he puts his hand to his face and he also looks like he is trying to get up. I noted blood on the lower part of his face.

Video titled 'Officer, murder suspect shot' On page 4 of the slider - starts at about the 1:45 mark.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22909842/police-enter-saginaw-home-in-murdered-girls-neighborhood-shots-fired

 

[GingerzMomma]

Can a lawyer instruct the client to just plead guilty in order to prevent a trial that is obviously guilty?

Is that legal?

I think any good attorney would advise a client what all their options were and possible results of each, and then let client decide. I have had to hire an attorney once in the past (over a lovely neighborhood HOA dispute), while we had grounds to sue and he'd have likely made more money that way, he helped us understand and exhaust every possible avenue before it came to that.

So, not exactly the same situation, but yes I think an attorney can certainly advise for and against certain approaches and explain why....but I think the ultimate decision is the client's.

Oh, gitana1, where are you?

 

[texashello]

I think any good attorney would advise a client what all their options were and possible results of each, and then let client decide. I have had to hire an attorney once in the past (over a lovely neighborhood HOA dispute), while we had grounds to sue and he'd have likely made more money that way, he helped us understand and exhaust every possible avenue before it came to that.

So, not exactly the same situation, but yes I think an attorney can certainly advise for and against certain approaches and explain why....but I think the ultimate decision is the client's.

Oh, gitana1, where are you?

This is correct, there are exceptions, but a good lawyer with lots of experience often knows the potential outcome of different approaches in their jurisdiction. A lot of it depends on who the judge is, what the person is charged with, results of an examining (preliminary) trial, etc.

For example, it helps to know that the judge you will be in front of is a former police officer, or a former prosecutor, etc, when you set out possibilities for your clients. It also helps to know the general outcomes for various trials in the past.

 

[texashello]

This is correct, there are exceptions, but a good lawyer with lots of experience often knows the potential outcome of different approaches in their jurisdiction. A lot of it depends on who the judge is, what the person is charged with, results of an examining (preliminary) trial, etc.

For example, it helps to know that the judge you will be in front of is a former police officer, or a former prosecutor, etc, when you set out possibilities for your clients. It also helps to know the general outcomes for various trials in the past.

But of course if you go to trial no outcome is ever guaranteed!

 

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[21merc7]

Butting in where I should not.

4 LIFE has some points.

I am honestly upset with the "Fry them High" world we live.

This board is now watched by ABC, NBC, CBS, that mean prosecution lady, AND MANY OTHER COUNTRIES. Think about that, this is not just your moment, it is family wise for this family, but world wise for much larger.

 

[4life]

I don't understand?

Meaning I but in where I don't belong?

 

[bessie]

For those who missed my earlier post, here's the link.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 01 July 2013 - #12 **ARREST**

This is one of those topics which add nothing to the discussion except to arouse controversy and disrupt the thread. The subject is closed. If your posts were removed, that's why.

 

[4life]

So, how about them Yankees? Don't know how to smiley emoticon here

 

[CatFancier]

So, how about them Yankees? Don't know how to smiley emoticon here

:floorlaugh:

 

[elmomom]

I quit.
Before i go i want to say a sincere thanks to our mods who have a job you couldn't pay me to do, and they do it for free!

 

[J1981]

Can't quote much because its a really short article but:
- officers condition only improving (stabilized)
- says, "Officials have declined to release Holder's condition." I hadn't heard that before.
- also notes that another officer shot TH in the head. I don't know why but I assumed it was the same officer that was injured.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Condition-of-officer-shot-by-Saginaw-suspect-improves-217039271.html

 

[4life]

Can I say I can't stand miss " Grace before a fall" prosecutor as well?

 

[CatFancier]

That officer is a hero IMO. Didn't an original MSM say that three shots were fired? If Officer Lodatto tackled TH when he pulled the gun and TH shot the officer in the groin and the officer shot him from some odd angle, this could explain why TH wasn't killed outright. However, if the second shot came from another officer, you would think they would aim for the head due to the struggle which would definitely result in brain damage.

ETA: just read the article a second time:

Another officer then shot Holder in the head.

How would he hit him in a way to not cause brain damage?

 

[4life]

- also notes that another officer shot TH in the head. I don't know why but I assumed it was the same officer that was injured.


I did as well j1981 LOL . I caught it on 2nd read.

 

[Karma28]

That officer is a hero IMO. Didn't an original MSM say that three shots were fired? If Officer Lodatto tackled TH when he pulled the gun and TH shot the officer in the groin and the officer shot him from some odd angle, this could explain why TH wasn't killed outright. However, if the second shot came from another officer, you would think they would aim for the head due to the struggle which would definitely result in brain damage.

ETA: just read the article a second time:



How would he hit him in a way to not cause brain damage?

RBBM

I think TH was shot in the chin.