GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #3

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  • #141
I had the misfortune to grow up in a fully functioning family, so my knowledge is secondhand, but yes, I did know of situations like that. One friend whose father would rape her when he came home drunk, another with a situation with a stepbrother.

It's true there was a general belief that it just had to be endured, whereas now something can be done, but it certainly wasn't that we didn't know it was happening.

I imagine each family is different, though. I found out 25 years later that the girl being raped by her stepfather thought it was a deep dark secret rather than common knowledge in the neighborhood. If even one of us had said something...but when you're 12, what do you say and who do you say it to?

So sad. I knew of 2 girls being sexually abused by one of their fathers. This man not only abused his own daughter but at least one of her friends as well. (Found out later) Oddly enough, we didnt tell, let alone I didnt even have a name for it. Oh if only I could go back in time.....
oh yeah found out the wife knew about it too!!! Grrrrrrrr........
 
  • #142
I've been reading this since day one, but have missed some things I'm sure. A couple thoughts:
The truck - as mentioned earlier, those paint splash decals are easy to remove, so that may or may not matter about the truck. Most kids DO know truck vs suv, etc. and LOT of trucks in our area remove the tailgate, but they are usually work vehicles if they are left off. That said, I once loaded potting soil on my truck, got in a hurry & forgot to close the tailgate. I drove 12 miles on winding roads & down our long bumpy drive way & nothing moved, BUT those bags are flat, heavy, etc. Something with a different shape, lighter would certainly have fallen out.
The perp & timing - it may be someone who's house she has been to so often that no one would be worried to see her going inside - or - maybe when the street she was on cleared (kids going inside for supper) there was simply no one to see which house or truck she entered. The kids will give better info than the parents if they aren't afraid to talk. Maybe LE is playing dumb on the "no cause for alarm" to get the perp to stay on top of the water.
Not knowing is awful. I just keep asking myself 'how many more of these will people tolerate?' I have a 15yo that I will not apologize for hovering over. He is now a confident young man who looks out for those littler than he is. You can't terrify them, but you'd better be realistic.

:greetings: Thanks for joining the discussion!
 
  • #143
How much can I learn in a day, I am very protective, I am vigilant, but I do not hover, therefore I am not a helicopter parent.
 
  • #144
I saw a statistics that said 300 children were the victims of stereotypical abductions every year in the 80s/early 90s. Today, that number is down to 115. And yes, I 100% believe that the number has decreased significantly. For one thing, we have 1/2 the number of overall homicides today compared to 25 years ago, so it would make sense that child abductions (many of whom lead to murder) would also decrease. Two, back in those days, many parents let their children ride their bikes or walk to different places, and that doesn't happen today. Three, As an active member of WS, I very rarely hear about stereotypical abductions. I don't think I heard of one case where a predator abducted and killed a child between Jessica R and Cherish P. I am going to assume any such case would have some record of it online, and it would be posted here. Also, have you noticed that when many of us reference these types of cases, we mention cases from 10+, even 20+ years ago?


Kathlynn Shepard and D.
Kathlynn murdered, D escaped.


Found Deceased IA - Kathlynn Shepard, 15, Dayton, 20 May 2013 - 2 kidnapped - 1 alive, 1 deceased #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


There have been a few other stranger abductions where the child was not murdered as well.
Of course we don't have those names anymore, but they do have threads.
 
  • #145
Did you know that you had children that you knew that were victims of sex abuse, probably by a parent or relative?

I never heard of it. Sure, creepy old man, but never the true story of family sex abuse

Attitudes have changed. Decades ago, you didn't acknowledge child abuse or spouse abuse because "It's a family situation". I'm sure there was vague knowlege of it, but nobody intervened. Children and wives were once thought of as marital property. We haven't fully evolved from that way of thinking, but it is getting better.

I am 32 and worked with an older man of probably 78-80 (I remember him having his 60th HS reunion) when I became pregnant with my son seven years ago. I was a single mom, and this man decided to have a talk with me. He told me that the world was a better place when women stayed home with their children (I sort of agree, but not for his reasons) and I needed to suck it up and marry the father or I was basically going to be responsible for the downfall of society. He believed that working moms were the explanation for all evils in this country, and they should stay married no matter what. I asked him why he didn't put any blame on all of the dads who ran out on those moms and kids, and how were the moms supposed to support them without a working dad in the house. He told me that men wouldn't run out if women would keep their mouths shut and accept their fate. He said his own dad was a mean, drunk s.o.b. but his mother took her beatings and did her best with the situation and so in his eyes, his mother was a saint.

Also, my own grandma's mother died when my grandma was 12, leaving behind 8 children between the ages of newborn and 14 years old. This was back in the 30s. Six of those 8 children were girls, and all became replacements for her mom in every single way. They were made to quit school, cook, clean, hunt, plant a garden and can the family food, raise the younger kids and worst, he raped them all until they were old enough to move out of the house. He was finally turned in by one of the older ones (who was by that time out of the house and married) when the babies (twin girls) were 10 or so. He lost custody, but he was never jailed. You can't tell me that no neighbors or extended family members knew or suspected what he was doing to those kids for 10 years. But nobody turned him in. It was a family thing. Disgusting. I wish I could have met him so I could have punched him in the face for hurting my grandma and her siblings like that.

So this is the kind of thinking that kept family molesters and abusers from being outed in the past, I think. Thinking has changed for the most part, thank goodness, and so perps go to jail and friends and neighbors become aware. I don't believe for a second that it happens more frequently now than it did in the past. I think we just hear about it. There is more awareness, and the public perception of family privacy and property has shifted.
 
  • #146
I had the misfortune to grow up in a fully functioning family, so my knowledge is secondhand, but yes, I did know of situations like that. One friend whose father would rape her when he came home drunk, another with a situation with a stepbrother.

It's true there was a general belief that it just had to be endured, whereas now something can be done, but it certainly wasn't that we didn't know it was happening.

I imagine each family is different, though. I found out 25 years later that the girl being raped by her stepfather thought it was a deep dark secret rather than common knowledge in the neighborhood. If even one of us had said something...but when you're 12, what do you say and who do you say it to?

Interesting. My friend since age 5 and I were talking about this years ago. Our friend who had huge issues had a step father who tried to rape her , apparently. I say apparently, because she said he tried but did not succeed. Maybe he really did rape her.

She told my friend when we graduated from high school. We were all friends, but my friend was better friends with the girl. We never ever heard or guessed of anything like that.

We grew up in a very middle class neighborhood , but I suspect a couple of my neighbor girls had those issues, but do not know.

I moved to the country as an adult and apparently it was very common out here, from what I hear from older neighbors who lived here all their lives. They had a very casual attitude about it. It disturbed me a lot. But a lot of those older families have died out or moved on.

I think it is good that reporting has increased, but I think a lot is still hidden.
 
  • #147
It's a small town. But so far nobody apparently recognized the truck. Somebody passing through? See a child unattended, snatch the child, kill the child, dump the body and keep on going?
 
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Interesting. My friend since age 5 and I were talking about this years ago. Our friend who had huge issues had a step father who tried to rape her , apparently. I say apparently, because she said he tried but did not succeed. Maybe he really did rape her.

She told my friend when we graduated from high school. We were all friends, but my friend was better friends with the girl. We never ever heard or guessed of anything like that.

We grew up in a very middle class neighborhood , but I suspect a couple of my neighbor girls had those issues, but do not know.

I moved to the country as an adult and apparently it was very common out here, from what I hear from older neighbors who lived here all their lives. They had a very casual attitude about it. It disturbed me a lot. But a lot of those older families have died out or moved on.

I think it is good that reporting has increased, but I think a lot is still hidden.

I'm from a lower class rural background, so that might be the difference. I wouldn't say it was common, and it wasn't approved of (certainly not by my parents), but there was a feeling nothing could be done.
 
  • #151
And IIRC, the policeman who radioed it in said he was told the last time she was seen was 4:00.

Yes. Thanks for that.

I have read the 2 times, 4 and 5.
 
  • #152
Yes. Thanks for that.

I have read the 2 times, 4 and 5.

Either way, a number of hours before family apparently even realized she was missing.
 
  • #153
It's a small town. But so far nobody apparently recognized the truck. Somebody passing through? See a child unattended, snatch the child, kill the child, dump the body and keep on going?

Small town is really a misnomer in this case. It is not an isolated town like a small town out in the country. I live very close to Saginaw in what is also a small town, but we are really just suburbs of Ft. Worth. Loop 820 connects us and other "small town" areas.

You can jump on 820 and head either direction from Saginaw and in literally minutes be in the next community...which to the NE I believe is North Richland Hills which is so traffic congested that I never go there. Dallas is less than a 30 minute drive I think.

The truck could have come from who knows where or could be miles away and hidden by now.

I do not traverse too far out of my "comfort zone", so I may be a little off and my geography skills suck, but bottom line, this is not really what most would call a small town in the true sense.
 
  • #154
I'm from a lower class rural background, so that might be the difference. I wouldn't say it was common, and it wasn't approved of (certainly not by my parents), but there was a feeling nothing could be done.

My rural area is right next to a small city and extremely desirable now. But back 50 and more years ago, it was a place where people who could not live among others lived. Moonshiners were plentiful and this is up North.

Fighting, etc even though people were spread out. Wild stories. We have had a few meth labs in the last few years.

But, I remember the dentist years ago who lived in a fancy neighborhood. He was busy with patients while they were under gas.
 
  • #155
Small town is really a misnomer in this case. It is not an isolated town like a small town out in the country. I live very close to Saginaw in what is also a small town, but we are really just suburbs of Ft. Worth. Loop 820 connects us and other "small town" areas.

You can jump on 820 and head either direction from Saginaw and in literally minutes be in the next community...which to the NE I believe is North Richland Hills which is so traffic congested that I never go there. Dallas is less than a 30 minute drive I think.

The truck could have come from who knows where or could be miles away and hidden by now.

I do not traverse too far out of my "comfort zone", so I may be a little off and my geography skills suck, but bottom line, this is not really what most would call a small town in the true sense.

I wonder though, if someone from out of town would have the ability to snatch alanna and know where they could take her for a period of time undetected. It seems like it must be someone familiar with the area, even if they do not live closeby. Also, wondering if someone from out of the area wouldn't be more inclined to take her away, closer to their comfort zone, to (I feel very icky saying this) do whatever it is he intended to do to her.
Thoughts?
 
  • #156
I guess how much independence and freedom a child should be given depends on our past experiences and perceptions. Ask LE that works on these types of horrific crimes and they may tell you that you can never protect your child too much.

Ask some psychologists and they may list the importance of allowing great freedom.

Ask me and I will tell you that pervs are getting smarter and there are way too many missing kids and it never hurts to pay attention and inform children
Carp will happen no matter what we do... We can control some things from occurring.

I was taught better safe than sorry.
 
  • #157
I have seen mid-day being used as when the tarp was seen. I posted it the other day.
 
  • #158
I wonder though, if someone from out of town would have the ability to snatch alanna and know where they could take her for a period of time undetected. It seems like it must be someone familiar with the area, even if they do not live closeby. Also, wondering if someone from out of the area wouldn't be more inclined to take her away, closer to their comfort zone, to (I feel very icky saying this) do whatever it is he intended to do to her.
Thoughts?

She might have fallen out of the truck. It's not clear if perp was actually trying to dump the body in the street, or if the body fell out.
 
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I have seen mid-day being used as when the tarp was seen. I posted it the other day.

Thanks Elley. I have seen varying times on this. I don't believe the time has been released or LE is not certain of exact time for the body landing there
 
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