GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

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  • #301
In my book reviewing what the parents did/did not do in order "to learn from their mistakes" is a euphemism for "we want to criticize their parenting". Which can also be described as "bashing"

Really folks? Haven't we discussed, and discussed and discussed their parenting over and over and over? Isn't it time to give it a rest?

The way I see it, people have this unremitting need to point at the actions of the parents so that they can say to themselves "see! I would never do that so this COULD NEVER happen to my child"

Real life smacks you in the face sometimes, because this can happen to ANY child, whether you are a control freak of a parent or not. To live is to gamble. There are always risks. And not taking risks means not really living.

i was glad to learn details, as it reminds me to not let my guard down. my rule of, "sure, you can go over there, but if they are not home, you CALL ME if youre going elsewhere, or home" stands. had it played out differently, i would reevaluate myrules. i totally agree that we want desperately to hold on to differences, assuring ourselves that it cant happen to us. but i personally also want to know how it happened so i can make changss to my parenting if i see a weak point.

at her young age, i never would have allowed such freedom, but wont judge, as ive not walked i. their shoes, i dont know the neighborhood, etc. what's done is done, may we all hold our littles a bit closer, and learn from this horrific crime.

ETA: life is a constantly changing game, i just try to keep up!
 
  • #302
Then I'm overheated and loopy along with you; that's what I remember, too.

(although I do also remember someone saying they were a neighbor and saying some things on early threads, before I was here maybe?, and I don't think they ever got verified?)

I don't think it was early early on, and I can still see the woman in my minds eye :/ I'm not getting confused with the video in the link I posted above, possibly the same woman but she was outside the house and she was wearing glasses, I'm sure of it.



Or we are loopy :p schmae SCHMAE where are you, you must remember?
 
  • #303
So we do know for a fact that she made it to the friends house? Was that the last sighting of her? How far away was the friends? Apologize in advance if this has already been the focus of other discussion. I've missed quite a bit and trying to catch up.

It's my understanding that we don't know if she ever made it to the friend's house. According to our verified insider, the mother said she/they weren't home at the time anyway. Last time seen is approx. 3:30-4pm when MM told her she could go to that house. Also according to verified insider, the house is down the block on her same street.

LDh, please don't hesitate to correct me if I am wrong about any of these details.
 
  • #304
:seeya: A good discussion took place here today. Excellent points were made from all angles. Now it's time to set aside the "why" for awhile and get back on track focusing on the "who".

:tyou:
 
  • #305
It's my understanding that we don't know if she ever made it to the friend's house. According to our verified insider, the mother said she/they weren't home at the time anyway. Last time seen is approx. 3:30-4pm when MM told her she could go to that house. Also according to verified insider, the house is down the block on her same street.

LDh, please don't hesitate to correct me if I am wrong about any of these details.

Thank you.

I have a daughter that just turned 7 and I have yet to see her walk anywhere. IMO and I'm assuming here, I would think that AG either ran or at the least skipped excitedly down the block. The perp would have had to stop her somehow or get her attention if this was when she was taken. If she made it and was told she wasn't home, I could imagine AG disappointed and returning home at a slower pace not quite ready to go in the house or possibly looking for another playmate. Is there other friends that live near by? I don't think she would have got in the car with someone even if she knew them if offered a ride home. She was on a mission to play. IMO
 
  • #306
I just drove through Cindy and Round Rock and everything is gone! Not a single stuffed animal, flower, or even the beautiful wood cross that someone spent a lot of time on! Does anyone know if this stuff has been moved to Alanna's home or grave? I will go by her parent's house on my way home to see. It hasn't been long enough for this stuff to be removed. Sad.

When I drove by there earlier today I saw a sign on the mailbox (where the body was found) but I didn't stop to read it.
 
  • #307
I've been following along as much as I could (busy work week) but I haven't seen any confirmation or a solid statement that says she was left at that location (as opposed to falling off a truck or something...) has it been confirmed?

We don't have confirmation either way, but here are some links discussing it up thread. I think (correct me if I'm wrong folks) that the general consensus is that it would be unlikely for her to fall out of a truck based on physics alone.

We do have one theory floated that the bundle containing Alanna might have been tied to a roof of a car and fallen from there. (That's much more likely physically than falling out of the back of a pick-up, but it doesn't fit as well with them looking for a pick-up, or with trash day, or with trying to conceal the package)

Interesting thought. I'm picturing a speeding truck sort of zig zagging and swerving down the road? Perhaps. I'm not convinced you could get up sufficient speed on any of the roadways where she was found. I went back and looked at the map again. There aren't any straight always to get up that kind of speed. My DH got a huge dent in the back side of the cab of his truck, beneath the back window of the cab, from a beer keg once. 1. It was very heavy, 2. It was slick and smooth, 3. It was rounded, 3. It went forward when he stopped, banging into the cab, not backward out of the tailgate.

As another poster commented, you'd have to accelerate extremely rapidly for something to slide or roll backward out of the bed of a truck. And I definitely think the tailgate would need to be missing or open, and no ordinary car (or "production vehicle" as another poster put it) can accelerate that fast. We've carried all kinds of loads around in that truck, and I've ridden back there at highway speeds. It's acceleration or deceleration that would cause stuff to move. Or wind. We lost a wardrobe box on an access road once because one thin edge poked up over the top of the cab where the wind could catch it. A 50 pound body down in the cab, even in a tarp wouldn't catch that kind of wind on a residential street. He also lost a mattress once: again wind.

I presented you scenario to him, and we looked at the map together.

He will allow, somewhat reluctantly: IF someone loaded a body foot first, so that the majority of the weight was toward the tailgate; and IF they were zigging and zagging swerving violently back and forth, and IF there was no tailgate a body *might* work its way toward the end and then momentum, and the lopsided weight of a torso going overboard first and pulling the feet along after, rather than the other way around then maybe with really reckless speeding this could happen.

But he also says that if HE were loading a body into a truck bed, he'd put it head and torso first because that's how you carry a person, you hold the weight, set that down, and the slide the rest of the body into the bed. He says we've had loads of loads back there that never move at all. Most of the time they don't. We bring plastic bags of groceries home in the truck, and they never move. We do take care to put them near the cab, not out on the end near the tailgate.

He has driven trucks with both a solid tailgate and the kind with a mesh net. He says, "stuff doesn't fall out of trucks."

I had thought this before. Perhaps the perp knows this area notoriously gets later than usual pick-up either on their weekly garbage, or their monthly yard debris pick-up. Or had made note the night before that people had yard debris out on the street, therefore, this would be a good street to come back to for disposal.

Side note, I know many smarter than me have explained why physics-wise, Alanna could not have rolled/slid from the back of a truck. But yesterday, my side-lying (in a not round, but not boxy plastic container) gallon of milk slid approx. 2 feet from the front of my carpeted cargo area to up against the back hatch. Less than two mile drive, no steep hills, no speedy tire burning accelerations, no corners on two wheels.

I realize a side-lying gallon of milk in the back of my SUV is not the same as a cylindrical/mildly bumpy 45-50 pound person. And I'm currently leaning towards the body being purposefully dumped. But I think when it comes to the 'could it happen?', that it's more of a 'not probable, but possible'. We don't know other variables (if she was placed in the back of a truck.) I think we're all presuming placed on her back, middle of bed or towards cab, no other objects in the back of the truck. We can't know how she was placed (not laying flat? Upright, on rump, top-heavy head up) with other junk in front of her? and where she was placed (at edge with no hatch or pressed against gate w/faulty latch.) or what was possibly placed near her that could have rolled, slid or otherwise forced her body to get nudged out. So considering all that, I'd say not probable, but not impossible.


For sliding, the physics all depends upon the friction between the tarp and the bed of the truck (assuming no tail gate). If the truck bed were frictionless, everything you put in the truck would immediately fall out the back as you drove away. Friction transmits the acceleration of the truck to the body. If the friction cannot accommodate the acceleration, the body slips. Obviously, there is friction, but it seems like a tarp on bare metal could be pretty slippery. And, as you rightly point out, we know through observation that things can slide around in passenger cars and trucks.

Additionally, I think there is some possibility that rolling could occur, if the body were bundled up in such a way that it became rounded, like a cylinder.

Like you, I'm not convinced that the body fell out of a truck, but I believe it is possible. I currently don't have an opinion on which is more likely (depends on how likely I think it is that trucks are missing tail gates vs how likely someone would intentionally dump a body in the street).
 
  • #308
We don't have confirmation either way, but here are some links discussing it up thread. I think (correct me if I'm wrong folks) that the general consensus is that it would be unlikely for her to fall out of a truck based on physics alone.

We do have one theory floated that the bundle containing Alanna might have been tied to a roof of a car and fallen from there. (That's much more likely physically than falling out of the back of a pick-up, but it doesn't fit as well with them looking for a pick-up, or with trash day, or with trying to conceal the package)

Thanks Greenpalm!!! I was leaning more towards her being placed there only based on the position being so close to the curb. I found it highly coincidental that if she fell off she would land/role into that spot. I thank you and other posters for a more scientific explanation.
 
  • #309
A friend in LE just told me that Saginaw PD is not in charge of this investigation...as we all suspected.

Do you know who is in charge of investigation? Tia
 
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Do you know who is in charge of investigation? Tia

I don't know this for a fact, but I have family in LE: my guess is FBI.
 
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The timing was bad for this crime (for LE) since Alanna was murdered during a holiday week. Anyone leaving the area right after her discovery can explain it a vacation at a cottage, family, etc. I wonder if there were any "spontaneous/unplanned vacations" the evening of July 1st or early July 2nd? Was anyone caught by surprise with a holiday visit? JMO
 
  • #314
I keep checking in to see if there are any key developments. I want the killer(s) off the street!
 
  • #315
I think the FBI and or the Texas Rangers ?

I am very grateful that both the FBI and the Texas Rangers were called in on Alanna's case.
 
  • #316
The timing was bad for this crime (for LE) since Alanna was murdered during a holiday week. Anyone leaving the area right after her discovery can explain it a vacation at a cottage, family, etc. I wonder if there were any "spontaneous/unplanned vacations" the evening of July 1st or early July 2nd? Was anyone caught by surprise with a holiday visit? JMO

Just mentioning as an aside that the other unsolved little girls in the Dallas area we were looking at all were abducted on or near a holiday weekend. (Amber, Ashley and Opal.)
 
  • #317
r.e. dropping off Alanna's body

-I've witnessed a minor accident where police were called and a passenger opened the rear door and threw out some liquor bottles (with booze in them). I wonder if the driver/perp or accomplice perp spotted someone or something that made them nervous and felt that Alanna needed to be dropped off right away.

-What if there are two people involved and they argued about what to do with her and one of them decided for the both of them in a ballsy move to drop her off on the road in the hope that she would be picked up as garbage.
 
  • #318
We do not know what LE knows at all.

If we go with the idea that they have no clue who did this, then we are looking at some kind of master criminal.

The person somehow managed to leave no DNA, stray hairs, sweat, what else? on her , the belt, the bags, the tarp.

If this is true, then we should be extremely afraid,

I am going with the idea that it cannot be possible, but then, what are they waiting for?

Everything-- whatever that is--- to be in place?

DNA, lack of alibi, what else?
 
  • #319
We do not know what LE knows at all.

If we go with the idea that they have no clue who did this, then we are looking at some kind of master criminal.

The person somehow managed to leave no DNA, stray hairs, sweat, what else? on her , the belt, the bags, the tarp.

If this is true, then we should be extremely afraid,

I am going with the idea that it cannot be possible, but then, what are they waiting for?

Everything-- whatever that is--- to be in place?

DNA, lack of alibi, what else?


That's what scares me.


I fear another cold case.

I still am shocked there' s been no arrests in Hailey Dunn's murder either.
 
  • #320
Does the FBI taking over mean this is a serial killer? Sorry, if that is a stupid question.
 
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