GUILTY TX - Alanna Gallagher, 6, Saginaw, 1 July 2013 - #7

[pferrin]

We do not know what LE knows at all.

If we go with the idea that they have no clue who did this, then we are looking at some kind of master criminal.

The person somehow managed to leave no DNA, stray hairs, sweat, what else? on her , the belt, the bags, the tarp.

If this is true, then we should be extremely afraid,

I am going with the idea that it cannot be possible, but then, what are they waiting for?

Everything-- whatever that is--- to be in place?

DNA, lack of alibi, what else?

LE has to eliminate all the folks close to Alanna...non strangers first because of statistics.

They have a lot of testing to do. They also have intelligent perp or perps that have committed this crime.
I don't have much patience with not hearing from LE ... I am sure they are working hard.

 

[GingerzMomma]

Does the FBI taking over mean this is a serial killer? Sorry, if that is a stupid question.

I don't think it means that, per se. I'm about 20 min away w/ little ones of my own and this has been absolutely consuming me. It's my understanding FBI was called for a couple reasons:

1. First, a dead child w/out missing report

2. Local authorities can ask for federal help whenever they think necessary (see #1)

That's why I think FBI is involved.


(that said, as local I'm scared shitless this is unrealized serial who is escalating, or a relatively "novice" perp who is cutting his/her/their teeth)

 

[mysticrose]

Does the FBI taking over mean this is a serial killer? Sorry, if that is a stupid question.

No, no question is ever a stupid question

I think they were brought in right away due to how small the LE office is in Saginaw (sp?). I also believe due to the circumstances of how Alanna was found was a factor as well.

Hope that helped

 

[Mitsana]

We do not know what LE knows at all.

If we go with the idea that they have no clue who did this, then we are looking at some kind of master criminal.

The person somehow managed to leave no DNA, stray hairs, sweat, what else? on her , the belt, the bags, the tarp.

The might have DNA but no match. Google tells me that Texas only takes DNA samples from certain felons. So, most people (even among those arrested) aren't in the database. Given that the belt is a garment (not a utility strap), I would think that LE does have DNA from the belt (and probably other sources of it as well). Assuming they did recover some DNA, presumably it doesn't match any of the RSOs. Since they took DNA samples from the family, presumably it doesn't match any of them either.

If they did get a DNA sample, even if the case goes cold, they may some day get a match and be able to bring justice for Alanna. But I hope we don't have to wait for the perp to make some mistake in the future.

 

[LDhummingbird]

It's my understanding that we don't know if she ever made it to the friend's house. According to our verified insider, the mother said she/they weren't home at the time anyway. Last time seen is approx. 3:30-4pm when MM told her she could go to that house. Also according to verified insider, the house is down the block on her same street.

LDh, please don't hesitate to correct me if I am wrong about any of these details.

Correct on all except it could have been earlier than 3:30-4:00 when Alanna left the house; I just don't know that except that she left before LG arrived.

 

[blue22]

gmta.....

Can I ask what gmta means...??:blushing:

 

[LDhummingbird]

Just a curiosity question for you...
And welcome to Web-sleuths and thank you for coming here.

My curiosity question to you is have you ever seen for yourself the child taking bicycle or motor bike rides with any so called older friends of hers in the neighborhood?....And older i mean late teens , young men not other children.

This case is strange........But there was a motive in this. And I don't believe for now it was for a sexual assault...More of a thrill kill than a predator type killing...........more like a child sacrifice, and no I am not implying any occult connection to this heinous murder.

No, I have never seen such a thing. Alanna had a scooter that she liked to ride, but I never saw her riding with others.

 

[wfgodot]

Can I ask what gmta means...??:blushing:

Usually, "great minds think alike."

 

[Pensfan]

The time that Alanna left her home has now been released (approx. 4 pm). Why have none of the neighbors stepped forward and said, "I was outside and saw Alanna leave her home around 4 pm and walk down the street/yards/sidewalk?"

Alanna disappeared on a pleasant day where the temperature was not outrageous, so people should have been outside. Individuals who work the 7 am to 3 pm were driving back home at that time. It's logical to assume that someone should have witnessed Alanna leaving her house and going down the street at approx. 4 pm.

 

[kkdj]

I don't think it means that, per se. I'm about 20 min away w/ little ones of my own and this has been absolutely consuming me. It's my understanding FBI was called for a couple reasons:

1. First, a dead child w/out missing report

2. Local authorities can ask for federal help whenever they think necessary (see #1)

That's why I think FBI is involved.


(that said, as local I'm scared shitless this is unrealized serial who is escalating, or a relatively "novice" perp who is cutting his/her/their teeth)

I can only imagine what you're going thru! I hope they arrest someone really soon!

 

[matou]

If Laura came back at around 4 pm and she did not see Alanna on the sidewalk or someone's yard, then I have to think Alanna was already taken. JMO

 

[blue22]

The time that Alanna left her home has now been released (approx. 4 pm). Why have none of the neighbors stepped forward and said, "I was outside and saw Alanna leave her home around 4 pm and walk down the street/yards/sidewalk?"

Alanna disappeared on a pleasant day where the temperature was not outrageous, so people should have been outside. Individuals who work the 7 am to 3 pm were driving back home at that time. It's logical to assume that someone should have witnessed Alanna leaving her house and going down the street at approx. 4 pm.

I have thought about this, as well. It was unseasonably cool here that day, really beautiful weather. Our neighborhood had people out all over the place. The only think I can think of, is she didn't make it far enough, or was outside long enough...for people to see her. If truly no one saw her, then maybe she was taken right away.

 

[matou]

I have thought about this, as well. It was unseasonably cool here that day, really beautiful weather. Our neighborhood had people out all over the place. The only think I can think of, is she didn't make it far enough, or was outside long enough...for people to see her. If truly no one saw her, then maybe she was taken right away.

Maybe the perp was someone who saw Laura leave that day or saw her during her errands in town without Alanna. JMO

 

[greenpalm]

I drove past the intersection again today where she was left. On the way home I passed a van that was stopped working on utilities, (cable or phone) and then passed a van carrying parcels. Not in that neighborhood but a couple of miles away. Someone working might have been in a hurry, just a thought, I imagine LE is looking into those sorts of scenarios.

I'm sure those guys have a record of where they're working on any given day, and I'd think they've been looked at. Of course someone could impersonate one of those guys. (But that's treading into premeditated movie stuff.)

That's what I remember too. Telling her not to wait. I think that came from a poster here and most of that info went poof because it was not substantiated. JMO

I have no memory of this at all. If someone does find a link, please share. I was slow moving through the threads so maybe it was proofed before I read it. Was it YS?

We do not know what LE knows at all.

If we go with the idea that they have no clue who did this, then we are looking at some kind of master criminal.

The person somehow managed to leave no DNA, stray hairs, sweat, what else? on her , the belt, the bags, the tarp.

If this is true, then we should be extremely afraid,

I am going with the idea that it cannot be possible, but then, what are they waiting for?

Everything-- whatever that is--- to be in place?

DNA, lack of alibi, what else?

It really doesn't have to be a master criminal. DNA is only as valuable as the samples you have to compare it to. LE could have gallons of DNA and no clue who it belongs to.

If Laura came back at around 4 pm and she did not see Alanna on the sidewalk or someone's yard, then I have to think Alanna was already taken. JMO

I completely agree, I think she was taken very quickly after she left the house. Particularly if we really don't have any sightings. (But if someone finds the link time the grandma with glasses who saw her at 5, let me know!)

 

[Ladylub]

Anyone know where I can make a map and place where the girls have gone missing?

I place what I have down below b/c I'm at a lost right now on how to make one. One place crashes my computer another wants to keep adding my house. I give up for right now and will try again another day.

Jenna Robbins Killeen, TX
Disappeared May 14, 1989 (Sun) ~5:30pm Mother's Day
Her house was on N 4th St The vehicle was seen heading west on Garrison Ave. ( N 4th and Garrison cross each other)
She was never found.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/robbins_jenna.html

Megan Garner Tyler, TX
Disappeared March 27 1991 (Wed) ~11am Easter March 31
4600 block of Paluxy Dr. at a playground near her house. ( google map shows an apartment complex there now and I did not see a playground though maybe I missed it.)
She was never found.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/garner_megan.html


Ashley Estrell Plano, TX
Disappeared Sept 4 1993 (Sat) Labor Day Sept 6
Carpenter Park 6701 Coit Rd Plano TX
Found 6 miles from park. I tried to see if I could find a dirt road 6 miles from the park but I bet many things have changed over the yrs.

While digging up more info on Ashley I found a local reporter ( Shelly Slater from WFAA) who says she was friends with Ashley. I wonder if she might be willing to add anything since Ashley seems to be forgotten and Blair taken center stage. Anyone good at writing letters? I am horrible at writing maybe someone wants to send her an email.

Amber Hagerman Arlington TX
Disappeared Jan 13 1996 ( Sat) Martin Luther King Day Jan 15th
Highland Dr went around the corner towards East Abrams St
Found 4 miles away Have not found an address. A guy walking his dog near Forest Hill apartments found her. Looking up these apartments I see they were formerly Northridge so I do not know if this is the correct place.
2011 Lincoln Dr Arlington TX


Opal Jo Jennings Saginaw TX
Disappeared March 26 1999 ( Fri) ~5:30pm Easter April 4th
200 Block of N Hampshire St Saginaw TX
Found on Western Oaks Rd
This site has a map for Opal. http://www.saginaw-texas.com/one-of-saginaws-darkest-days-the-abduction-of-opal-jo-jennings/

 

[iamnotagolem]

The time that Alanna left her home has now been released (approx. 4 pm). Why have none of the neighbors stepped forward and said, "I was outside and saw Alanna leave her home around 4 pm and walk down the street/yards/sidewalk?"

Alanna disappeared on a pleasant day where the temperature was not outrageous, so people should have been outside. Individuals who work the 7 am to 3 pm were driving back home at that time. It's logical to assume that someone should have witnessed Alanna leaving her house and going down the street at approx. 4 pm.

This is really hard for me to understand, not only in this case but in others. I may not see everything that happens on our street, but I'm outside quite a bit and when I'm not outside I peek out the windows pretty frequently. I try to keep an eye on our elderly neighbor as he's had a few falls recently.

But it might really depend on the neighborhood. In one city I lived in there was rarely anyone visible in the neighborhood except to mow and do yardwork. There was only one other neighbor with small children that would spend about 15 minutes each day in their front yard after the mom got home with them after work and they would play out front until the dad got home. Other than that there just was never any kids or adults out in the front. We probably spent more time out front than anyone else because our kids liked coloring on the sidewalk and driveway.

 

[Linda7NJ]

In my book reviewing what the parents did/did not do in order "to learn from their mistakes" is a euphemism for "we want to criticize their parenting". Which can also be described as "bashing"

Really folks? Haven't we discussed, and discussed and discussed their parenting over and over and over? Isn't it time to give it a rest?

The way I see it, people have this unremitting need to point at the actions of the parents so that they can say to themselves "see! I would never do that so this COULD NEVER happen to my child"

Real life smacks you in the face sometimes, because this can happen to ANY child, whether you are a control freak of a parent or not. To live is to gamble. There are always risks. And not taking risks means not really living.

I've never bashed the parents on this board. They live and behave differently than I chose to. Does the difference make my family immune from tragedy? Of course not!

Human nature being what it is, in situations such as these, requires some denial or no one would ever let their children interact with anyone ever. So people do look for something done differently than themselves and say... Ah ha! See! That wouldn't never happen to MY child because...X,Yor Z.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Wow, two more on or near holiday weekends?

I rarely say something like this, but...should someone call that in? Surely the FBI already realizes that connection?

 

[Confusion]

I'm sure those guys have a record of where they're working on any given day, and I'd think they've been looked at. Of course someone could impersonate one of those guys. (But that's treading into premeditated movie stuff.)

I have no memory of this at all. If someone does find a link, please share. I was slow moving through the threads so maybe it was proofed before I read it. Was it YS?

It really doesn't have to be a master criminal. DNA is only as valuable as the samples you have to compare it to. LE could have gallons of DNA and no clue who it belongs to.

I completely agree, I think she was taken very quickly after she left the house. Particularly if we really don't have any sightings. (But if someone finds the link time the grandma with glasses who saw her at 5, let me know!)

BBM

It (and all or most responses) was removed pretty quickly because it was by an unverified insider. I keep hoping whoever it was has been verified since then and can repeat it. I do believe it was YS, but I don't remember for sure.

 

[ArianeEmory]

ladylub, I'm going to PM someone I've seen make maps in other cases and see if they would drop in.