TX - Benjamin Elliott, 17, fatally stabbed Twin Sister while asleep, Katy, 28 Sept 2021

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Friday​

The defense called a sleep expert to the stand on Friday who talked about parasomnia research and past cases involving crimes committed during parasomnia episodes, including a chef who could cook in his sleep.


2/21/2025

The defense called a sleep expert to the stand on Friday who talked about parasomnia research and past cases involving crimes committed during parasomnia episodes, including a chef who could cook in his sleep.
 
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Closing statements are expected to begin on Monday.
 
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This is a crazy case. It was in our Spotlight on Children forum so I moved it here.
What do you think? Do you think it is possible to sleepwalk and kill someone without knowing it?
Yes, I do think it's possible. I lived with a sleepwalker for a short time. Once he was napping on the couch, got up and walked over to the gas wall heater and peed on it. Apparently he thought he was in the bathroom. I was stunned as I had never seen a sleepwalker before. I hit him to get him to stop cuz I was afraid he was going to put the pilot light out! lol

So yes, I do think it's possible. It's really odd to watch someone sleepwalking.

*ETA - He didn't believe me, even though I had witnessed the whole thing. He thought I was lying. He apparently didn't remember doing it. Oddest darn thing I had ever seen. Also, the look on his face was strange as he walked from the couch over to the wall heater. At least he walked in the general direction of the bathroom, but missed by about 10'.
 
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This is a crazy case. It was in our Spotlight on Children forum so I moved it here.
What do you think? Do you think it is possible to sleepwalk and kill someone without knowing it?
I googled for it and apparently experts think it can happen. Although... even though I believe it's possible I also believe that some will use that as an excuse to try to get out of the murder case. Because... it's not provable one way or the other. Some good stuff in the article below. Here are some snippets:

some experts say that crimes being committed while sleeping is a real phenomenon. The fatal situation has been referred to as “homicidal somnambulism,” according to Michel A. Cramer Bornemann, M.D., lead investigator for the Sleep Forensics Associates (SFA) in Minneapolis.

[...]

“By and large, criminal allegations seen with forensic implications are associated with close proximity ... For the vast majority of cases, violence occurs in instances where the victim just happens to be within arm’s length” of the sleepwalker, Bornemann explained.

Grievous injury and death can be the result if weapons — a firearm, a hammer, a pocket knife — are nearby. (If you have a history of sleepwalking, remove these from a bedroom, the sleep expert advised.)


More at link: Can You Kill Someone While Sleepwalking? Here's What An Expert Says | Oxygen Official Site
 
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I've been a sleepwalker my whole life and i can tell you its really scary. I've been found outside wandering in the snow, outside walking down the middle of the road and have taken all the pots and pans out of the cupboards and piled them in the middle of the kitchen floor, amongst other things, too long to list. All of that with absolutely no recollection.
 
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Yikes!

I’m an identical twin, so I’m always drawn to cases involving twins. (Even though we identicals view fraternals as just siblings with the same birthday, lol).

My only experience with sleepwalking involves my former husband, over forty years ago.

One night I woke up to him hopping on one foot, clapping his hands, and saying something about killing bugs. (There were no bugs).

So this was a very mild incident, but he had absolutely no memory of it.

Our mother used to tell us that my twin and I would have long, involved conversations when we were asleep, though neither of us ever recalled them at all. Of course that’s not sleepwalking, though.

I’m very torn about this case.

Most of the cases I’ve heard about involve a husband killing his wife while allegedly asleep.

Just guesswork, but I’d imagine that if this really happened due to sleepwalking, it would be easier to just turn around and kill someone in your own bed. A brother and sister would necessarily entail him getting out of bed, getting a knife, and then going to his sister’s bed.

I’m wondering as many of you are as to why the parents didn’t want to let LE enter the home. I’m sure they were in anguish, but still.

In the end I think these cases are difficult to prove, so it will all come down to what the jury finds plausible.

The fact that there was a call for a prior incident in the home would make me lean towards skepticism, I think.

Just my own speculation.

Some other cases: 'Sleepwalking' killer Scott Falater still wracked with guilt over murdering wife

 
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In the bodycam video, Benjamin Elliott was seen performing CPR on his sister. A deputy who responded to the scene testified and said he would have intervened but it appeared that he was doing a good job.
The 911 call placed by Benjamin Elliott as he stood over his sister was also played for the jury.
Here's a potion of the interaction:
  • Operator: OK, is there any serious bleeding?
  • Elliott: Yes, I stabbed her in the neck (unintelligible).
  • Operator: Is she completely alert?
  • Elliott: No. She's barely alive.
  • Operator: OK.



Sleep expert testifies that a 'perfect storm' may have led to Katy-area man killing twin sister

2/21/2025
 
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Sleepwalking, also known as somnambulism, is a non-rapid eye movement (NREM) sleep arousal disorder, as it generally occurs during non-REM stages of sleep. (Night terrors is the other mot common NREM sleep arousal disorder.) Along with the related disorder of sleep talking and other conditions, sleepwalking is classified as a parasomnia, or an abnormal behavior that occurs during sleep.

Sleepwalking typically involves an individual getting out of bed, walking around, and sometimes even performing complex tasks such as eating. The sleepwalking person does not remember the actions taken, and appears to be awake—for example, their eyes may be open—but they are not. Sleepwalking is most common in children between ages 6 and 12, although people of any age can experience it, and it sometimes runs in families.

 
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Watch Live: Closing arguments begin in the Benjamin Elliott murder trial​


Closing arguments begin in the Benjamin Elliott murder trial.
 
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Guilty of murder...

As someone who watched all available coverage (which wasn't full...) I was erring not guilty.

I believe a lot of general public without any history of parasomnia and sleepwalking in their own life would struggle to understand the extent of sleep walking.

I also feel that the lack of documented blood splatter around the victim and the idea this was due to a pillow being over her head by the prosecution in closing likely helped them find him guilty.

I have a lot of empathy for the surviving family especially the parents. They truly believed in their son's innocence and a guilty verdict must be an extreme blow for them. They've lost both twins pretty much. I did find it really unprofessional that the prosecution and police hadn't sought any infor from any family or friends and based their charges solely on the 911 and interview of the accused.

I hope the jury made the right call, it wasn't an easy decision ... I believe there was reasonable doubt.
 
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Harris County Assistant District Attorney Maroun Koutani said in his opening statement that cell phone evidence contradicts Benjamin’s sleepwalking claim, according to KENS. Prosecutors are also relying on Benjamin’s police statements to support their theory that he knew what he was doing and intentionally stabbed his sister.

Benjamin faces up to 99 years in prison. Though he stood trial in front of a jury, the judge will decide his punishment.



2/24/2025
 
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I haven’t read up on this case besides what’s been written here but I’d like to point out 2 odd things about the CPR video. MOO

I was a police officer for 13 years and I’ve never seen law enforcement watch someone else do CPR and not take over (especially since he is only 17). Maybe Benjamin was trained on it and I did see a snippet quote the officer as saying “he didn’t intervene because he was doing a good job”. Weird because CPR tires a person very quickly so it’s better to swap out.

Also, it’s always better to put the victim on the floor vs bed for CPR and the officer should have known this.

My son used to have night terrors but luckily grew out of it. I personally have a hard time believing the sleepwalking defense. Where did he get the knife from? I guess I missed that part.
 
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I haven’t read up on this case besides what’s been written here but I’d like to point out 2 odd things about the CPR video. MOO

I was a police officer for 13 years and I’ve never seen law enforcement watch someone else do CPR and not take over (especially since he is only 17). Maybe Benjamin was trained on it and I did see a snippet quote the officer as saying “he didn’t intervene because he was doing a good job”. Weird because CPR tires a person very quickly so it’s better to swap out.

Also, it’s always better to put the victim on the floor vs bed for CPR and the officer should have known this.

My son used to have night terrors but luckily grew out of it. I personally have a hard time believing the sleepwalking defense. Where did he get the knife from? I guess I missed that part.
I noticed that too. LE didnt take over CPR and the victim was not placed on the floor. Strange.

The knife was in the house, and described as a survival knife that belonged to BE's father.

moo
 
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Sentencing: Tuesday, 2/25/2025 at 9:30 am CT (10:30 am ET) tomorrow
 
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Haven't followed those so forgive me -- has he expressed any remorse that we know of? I'm still reeling from the self-defense acquitted in the CollinG case.

Is this kid a violent lost cause or just misunderstood?

Does the judge decide the sentence or the jury?
 
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