TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[mister happy]

The video short video of Botham on the stretcher and Guyger pacing back and forth on her cellphone . Both videos were were recorded by one Facebook member. Since then, it has been posted here several times.

The woman on the gurney giving CPR appears to be Amber Guyger herself! If this is true, I wonder if it was done for "show" knowing that it would likely be recorded by someone.

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[mickey2942]

The Killer's family, and friends are probably being supportive. Shielding the Killer from facing reality. They are more than likely, building up her esteem, by agreeing with her, which will reinforce to the Killer that she will get off scott free.

I would hope, that the Killer, has one person who will be straight. And of course, most Killer's are so narcissistic that they have eliminated anyone who does not agree with them. Lawyers won't say anything, it is up to the defendant to accept a plea or go to trial. And a trial is money in the bank.

The Killer is probably in denial about the reality here. I don't see this going away. The folks are too riled up. She is going to spend time in prison. This is too political to "fade away".

 

[rosesfromangels]

The Killer's family, and friends are probably being supportive. Shielding the Killer from facing reality. They are more than likely, building up her esteem, by agreeing with her, which will reinforce to the Killer that she will get off scott free.

I would hope, that the Killer, has one person who will be straight. And of course, most Killer's are so narcissistic that they have eliminated anyone who does not agree with them. Lawyers won't say anything, it is up to the defendant to accept a plea or go to trial. And a trial is money in the bank.

The Killer is probably in denial about the reality here. I don't see this going away. The folks are too riled up. She is going to spend time in prison. This is too political to "fade away".

I agree with every one of your points except the part of this being "too political to fade away".
This has nothing to do with politics. This has to do with a man getting gunned down in cold blood while he is minding his own business in his home. Period. I'm not going to permit other agendas to cloud the facts. She gunned him down dead. End of story.

 

[Thora_Jay]

The woman on the gurney giving CPR appears to be Amber Guyger herself! If this is true, I wonder if it was done for "show" knowing that it would likely be recorded by someone.

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The person on the gurney in red garb is said to be an EMT. Guyger stayed behind.
So that is not Guyger. Thank you for your post.

 

[scarlettbones]

The woman on the gurney giving CPR appears to be Amber Guyger herself! If this is true, I wonder if it was done for "show" knowing that it would likely be recorded by someone.

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I don't think that is her. Whoever is on the gurney is wearing a red vest. AG is not. So unless she put on the vest before jumping on the gurney, don't think it is her. Also, the reporter states that it is a medic preforming CPR. Pretty sure they would say if it is AG or not.

Looks like the vests are bullet proof? I wonder if they are required to wear them at all times or only during shots fired calls??

Dallas Fire-Rescue receives 21 armor-plated vests

 

[VAgirlatheart]

AG, age 30 and purported to have been a police officer 4 years.

What was her work and academic background prior?

Does anyone know?

I do know for sure that the story of her shooting another civilian is true. I looked it up and it definitely has the officer involved as A, Guyger. That's under the officer involved shooting data that Dallas has. Personally the guy stole her taser and was fighting her off so I would definitely say that's justifiable. I have no issue with that if she was protecting herself

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

An officer involved in a shooting is required to reasonably believe the shooting is warranted with comparisons per DPD's policy stating that reasonable is defined as to what a reasonable person would believe under the circumstances.

No person that wasn't mentally ill or severely impaired would reasonably have believed they were in the right before pulling the trigger with intent to kill.

She made no attempt to reasonably assess the situation and unreasonably ignored countless neon billboards along her path to creating her murderous situation.

 

[kaen]

The woman on the gurney giving CPR appears to be Amber Guyger herself! If this is true, I wonder if it was done for "show" knowing that it would likely be recorded by someone.

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Having watched the video when it was originally published by the neighbor, I did not feel like the CPR person was the shooter. EMS people are the more highly trained professional on the scene. A police officer would cede care to EMS. Ultimately, EMS cedes care to the nurses and doctors in the hospital. It is how the chain of care works.

I am a trained professional rescuer via the Red Cross. I can't discontinue care until a more trained person arrives on scene. As a more trained professional arrives on scene, they determine and usually deliver the care. Otherwise, I am abandoning my victim and am responsible for any issues that then occur. https://www.redcross.org/content/dam/redcross/atg/PHSS_UX_Content/CPRO_Handbook.pdf

 

[Isabelle]

The full length of that video is around 7 minutes and what is all over the place is a snip from it.

From the looks of the incredibly long trail of blood for the route they took down 4 flights of stairs on what the resident said was the longest possible route, the CPR was pumping what blood he had left out of him.

If the elevator was not out of service, this is what would be known as a slow code!!! And, it would be illegal!!!

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I am curious if she had taken steps towards law school and even if not, most non-remedial cops know such laws well enough to know what stories have a chance of securing them a Get Out Of Jail Free card.

They keep up with court holdings and such, are briefed regularly to information which teaches them what will prevail in court, at least on appeal or the supreme court. This way they know what and/or what not to do, or at least what to say they did or did not do.

I do know for sure that the story of her shooting another civilian is true. I looked it up and it definitely has the officer involved as A, Guyger. That's under the officer involved shooting data that Dallas has. Personally the guy stole her taser and was fighting her off so I would definitely say that's justifiable. I have no issue with that if she was protecting herself

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

She'll probably get a light slap on the wrist or skates and the EMT's will probably end up facing a ride on the lightning. Merika!

If the elevator was not out of service, this is what would be known as a slow code!!! And, it would be illegal!!!

 

[mister happy]

I don't think that is her. Whoever is on the gurney is wearing a red vest. AG is not. So unless she put on the vest before jumping on the gurney, don't think it is her. Also, the reporter states that it is a medic preforming CPR. Pretty sure they would say if it is AG or not.

Looks like the vests are bullet proof? I wonder if they are required to wear them at all times or only during shots fired calls??

Dallas Fire-Rescue receives 21 armor-plated vests

Hmm. I watched the gurney footage closely, and the woman's head, with blonde hair pulled to the top in a tight bun, appears to be identical to Amber's. Since everything is so weird about this incident, I don't think it's too farfetched that Amber would put on a red vest. As far as the news reporting, they often get things wrong.

 

[Isabelle]

Why does mug shot show a white towel wrapped around Amber Guyger, as if her clothing is being covered?

 

[mickey2942]

Why does mug shot show a white towel wrapped around Amber Guyger, as if her clothing is being covered?

I wondered if she was wearing her orange jumpsuit, or came to the jail in her police uniform.

I also wonder about the search warrant for the locks...liability here for the apartments if the locks were so easy to open with other keys. Unless the killer had a passkey for Security.

 

[scarlettbones]

Why does mug shot show a white towel wrapped around Amber Guyger, as if her clothing is being covered?

They do that in TX, not sure if it's every county. But there has been discussion about it in other TX threads. I'll see if I can find a link.

 

[Jennifer17]

This case is now being reported on international news sites.

 

[scarlettbones]

Hmm. I watched the gurney footage closely, and the woman's head, with blonde hair pulled to the top in a tight bun, appears to be identical to Amber's. Since everything is so weird about this incident, I don't think it's too farfetched that Amber would put on a red vest. As far as the news reporting, they often get things wrong.

While I could believe a police cover-up, I think it's a bit far-fetched to say that the EMTs are in on it too. And if it is her, why wouldn't she and the dpd, point it out and say "She was helping him on the gurney on the way to the hospital, she tried everything to save his life", etc etc.

But instead, everyone kept quiet about it, including the media, until you just happened watch it and point it out?

It's not her. MOO.

 

[scarlettbones]

They do that in TX, not sure if it's every county. But there has been discussion about it in other TX threads. I'll see if I can find a link.

"They're so everyone looks the same in photo lineups," John Norton, explained.

For example, if the suspect was wearing a red shirt at the time of the crime, and one of the people in the lineup wears a similar color shirt, victims may choose the wrong suspect based more on the color of the clothing than the facial features.

Why Are Collin County Suspects Wearing Towels?

 

[kaen]

They do that in TX, not sure if it's every county. But there has been discussion about it in other TX threads. I'll see if I can find a link.

Many counties/cities do that with people in street clothes. A person in the mug shot might have a product name or school name visible and can cause businesses problems or the person being charged problems. It also allows for fair line-up photos for people to use when id'ing a person who committed a crime, allegedly.

 

[mister happy]

While I could believe a police cover-up, I think it's a bit far-fetched to say that the EMTs are in on it too. And if it is her, why wouldn't she and the dpd, point it out and say "She was helping him on the gurney on the way to the hospital, she tried everything to save his life", etc etc.

But instead, everyone kept quiet about it, including the media, until you just happened watch it and point it out?

It's not her. MOO.

I went to the FB page where the balcony videos were originally posted, and found a discussion about this issue. A fair amount of people think it's her. I am still open to that possibility (and to the possibility that it's just another odd coincidence).