TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

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Apologies if already posted.

Dallas officer Amber Guyger has ‘vacated’ apartment at complex where she killed Botham Jean, management says

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Amber Guyger moves out of apartment 1378 without a search warrant being executed.

I hope she got hit with that breaking a lease early fee.
 
  • #202
Is just very odd that the spot near the couch, which I see what you are talking about, is contained to one little area and didn't get on that rug at all. It's just very close to the rug. He's a big guy I'm assuming she would struggle flipping him over or even if he was on his back, gave any type of aid without more noticeable spots on the rug and to be fair, there could be small spots that I just can't see. But I graduated last year with my bachelors with a concentration in criminal investigations and even though I don't have the actual experience yet, It just doesn't add up to me as far as that goes.


Also, at first I thought it was laundry on his couch but it seems like it may be blankets and pillows. Could he have been sleep on the couch? Not gonna lie, me and my husband have two really nice couches and almost every weekend, we end up crashing on our his/her couches. Lol

bbm

I think it was Raven who made that comment. I do agree with you that it just doesn't look right. moo
 
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- deleted dup post - ws isn't playing nice
 
  • #204
I was going to say that I think a lot of us are thinking way too much about this but not really. I think most of us can agree that regardless this is manslaughter at the very least. We aren't buying the inconsistencies of her story. We are in a country where logically many of us understand that hasn't been fair to the African American community. I think everyone is just getting fed up because it's getting ridiculous. I'll say this, if somehow this girls case gets dropped or she's not convicted for manslaughter and they have a defense for her that gets her out of this, then I don't know how this will be handled by not just the AA community but the ones who frankly have a heart and are tired of seeing it. This is a case that you can not drop charges on because the facts of manslaughter surrounding this case are pretty high and honestly there's just no way .. if she does, we all are in trouble.
 
  • #205
I hope she got hit with that breaking a lease early fee.

I am pretty sure that she was evicted.

Would you want to live there? With her still there? Nope!
 
  • #206
Is there any legal counsel that would advise her against any kind of statement? I mean...there's been nothing from her, right? No apology or condolences of any kind?
 
  • #207
I am pretty sure that she was evicted.

Would you want to live there? With her still there? Nope!
She doesn't have to worry if she was evicted. The next place she's going to live doesn't require any references
 
  • #208
Is just very odd that the spot near the couch, which I see what you are talking about, is contained to one little area and didn't get on that rug at all. It's just very close to the rug. He's a big guy I'm assuming she would struggle flipping him over or even if he was on his back, gave any type of aid without more noticeable spots on the rug and to be fair, there could be small spots that I just can't see. But I graduated last year with my bachelors with a concentration in criminal investigations and even though I don't have the actual experience yet, It just doesn't add up to me as far as that goes.


Also, at first I thought it was laundry on his couch but it seems like it may be blankets and pillows. Could he have been sleep on the couch? Not gonna lie, me and my husband have two really nice couches and almost every weekend, we end up crashing on our his/her couches. Lol
That was my thought too when I looked at what was on the couch. Appeared to be mainly pillows and blankets and maybe what looks like it might be a robe.
Gunshot residue on the door frame and gunshot residue in the kitchen seems to indicate she advanced toward him while shooting.
 
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Is just very odd that the spot near the couch, which I see what you are talking about, is contained to one little area and didn't get on that rug at all. It's just very close to the rug. He's a big guy I'm assuming she would struggle flipping him over or even if he was on his back, gave any type of aid without more noticeable spots on the rug and to be fair, there could be small spots that I just can't see. But I graduated last year with my bachelors with a concentration in criminal investigations and even though I don't have the actual experience yet, It just doesn't add up to me as far as that goes.


Also, at first I thought it was laundry on his couch but it seems like it may be blankets and pillows. Could he have been sleep on the couch? Not gonna lie, me and my husband have two really nice couches and almost every weekend, we end up crashing on our his/her couches. Lol

I, too, thought it was laundry initially, and the cnn reporter said it also, but looking at the newest video, it does look like a blanket, robe maybe, some pillows, etc. Whatever it is, it doesn't look like he was just chillin on the couch when everything happened. I can't remember who said it initially (I'm sorry! @Rocco maybe? It was durring the lil horse convo), but someone theorized that he came out of his bedroom when he heard someone at the door. Looks more likely with this last video. MOO.

ETA: Just to clarify cause I think I wasn't clear: Maybe he did sleep on the couch sometimes, but from the pic it looks like everything was just tossed on there to deal with later. Doesn't really look like there was a space he was sitting at right before everything went down.
 

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I like sites like this, where people can gather and play detective, prosecutor & defense attorney. But I think bringing the whole legal aspect into things, tends to blur reality.

I heard about the Oscar shooting Reva story right when it broke, and my first reaction was that he didn't have a leg to stand on. Pun intended. The initial report of his story sounded ridiculous, and completely illogical. Yet they ended up making this whole big case about it, even though it seemed pretty clear cut to many.

Similar situation here, in that nothing the non-dead person has to say makes sense, and the story being told is somewhat fluid and changing as time goes by. The bottom line is that like Reva, this guy was at home, and through no fault of his own, now he's dead. Like with Oscar, there is no dispute as to who did the killing, only excuses as to why. And again, those excuses are still undergoing change.

What appears to be preferential treatment is extremely angering, and is a sad sign of the times we live in. Were it anybody else, you can bet the investigation and handling of the accused, would be completely different. We'll never know if the color of his skin had anything to do with her actions, unless perhaps that is determined to be relevant by the prosecution. But my feelings would be 100% the same if it had been a white victim. The abuse by police on those who employ them, is what causes such distrust and hatred of them in the first place. Perhaps a time will come in my lifetime(I'm 52), when law enforcement will see the picture, but given that living in L.A., I saw several decades ago when Rodney King got beaten by 7 cops who got away with it, I realize more and more the times don't change.
 
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I, too, thought it was laundry initially, and the cnn reporter said it also, but looking at the newest video, it does look like a blanket, robe maybe, some pillows, etc. Whatever it is, it doesn't look like he was just chillin on the couch when everything happened. I can't remember who said it initially (I'm sorry! @Rocco maybe? It was durring the lil horse convo), but someone theorized that he came out of his bedroom when he heard someone at the door. Looks more likely with this last video. MOO.

ETA: Just to clarify cause I think I wasn't clear: Maybe he did sleep on the couch sometimes, but from the pic it looks like everything was just tossed on there to deal with later. Doesn't really look like there was a space he was sitting at right before everything went down.

Remember... that picture was taken after the search. Very plausible that he was laying on the sofa. That would also explain the bullet traveling from his chest into his abdomen.
 
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Remember... that picture was taken after the search. Very plausible that he was laying on the sofa. That would also explain the bullet traveling from his chest into his abdomen.

You mean that the police or whoever moved things around? I suppose that could have happened. But it does seem unlikely that he was laying on the sofa and AG shot him from the doorway...

I think it was @cybervampira (sorry i am such poop at remembering names!) who posted a graphic earlier that explained how the chest to abdomen bullet entry could happen when someone was ducking...
 
  • #213
Remember... that picture was taken after the search. Very plausible that he was laying on the sofa. That would also explain the bullet traveling from his chest into his abdomen.
Yes, that was my thought too, well both those thoughts. After the search and the shooter being higher. How does a short woman shoot a tall man like him and the bullet has a downward trajectory? Mind you, I know nothing of guns or bullets or how they fire, but it seems logical to me.
 
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So, if that scenario happened, he was standing, or starting to stand up, the first shot went way over his head (the first bullet hole was over 6ft), he ducked, she shot again, this time aiming lower, bullet enters through chest and follows through his abdomen and is the fatal shot.

Which says to me she is not a great shot in this instance and the 2nd shot was "lucky/unlucky". MOO, just a scenario, thinking it out. :)
 
  • #216
So, if that scenario happened, he was standing, or starting to stand up, the first shot went way over his head (the bullet hole was over 6ft), he ducked, she shot again, this time aiming lower, bullet enters through chest and follows through his abdomen and is the fatal shot.

Which says to me she is not a great shot and the 2nd shot was "lucky/unlucky". MOO, just a scenario, thinking it out. :)
Wasn't she in some kind of a Swat team thingo? You don't have to be a good shot in those, do you? Big guns that spray bullets everywhere?
 
  • #217
Good question, I'm not sure exactly. It was some sort of special task force that she was the only female on. I don't think they have released what kind of gun she used. If it was a gun that sprayed bullets everywhere, there would be more bullet holes/damage. The only one reported was on the fall wall, over 6ft up.

Even if he opened the door and she panicked and shot once, missing him, he could have ducked and ran back quickly, before she shot again. That would still put him at around the 12 ft range, falling into the living room.
 
  • #218
Good question, I'm not sure. I don't think they have released what kind of gun she used. If it was a gun that sprayed bullets everywhere, there would be more bullet holes/damage. The only one reported was on the fall wall, over 6ft up.

Even if he opened the door and she panicked and shot once, missing him, he could have ducked and ran back quickly, before she shot again. That would still put him at around the 12 ft range, falling into the living room.
No, I didn't mean that she had one of those guns that night. They would still all have their holstered service guns, wouldn't they?
I meant marksmanship would not much matter in the elite squad that she was in, because they do use those big rapid fire guns.
 
  • #219
I like sites like this, where people can gather and play detective, prosecutor & defense attorney. But I think bringing the whole legal aspect into things, tends to blur reality.

I heard about the Oscar shooting Reva story right when it broke, and my first reaction was that he didn't have a leg to stand on. Pun intended. The initial report of his story sounded ridiculous, and completely illogical. Yet they ended up making this whole big case about it, even though it seemed pretty clear cut to many.

Similar situation here, in that nothing the non-dead person has to say makes sense, and the story being told is somewhat fluid and changing as time goes by. The bottom line is that like Reva, this guy was at home, and through no fault of his own, now he's dead. Like with Oscar, there is no dispute as to who did the killing, only excuses as to why. And again, those excuses are still undergoing change.

What appears to be preferential treatment is extremely angering, and is a sad sign of the times we live in. Were it anybody else, you can bet the investigation and handling of the accused, would be completely different. We'll never know if the color of his skin had anything to do with her actions, unless perhaps that is determined to be relevant by the prosecution. But my feelings would be 100% the same if it had been a white victim. The abuse by police on those who employ them, is what causes such distrust and hatred of them in the first place. Perhaps a time will come in my lifetime(I'm 52), when law enforcement will see the picture, but given that living in L.A., I saw several decades ago when Rodney King got beaten by 7 cops who got away with it, I realize more and more the times don't change.

Agree. I know a lot of people think race had something to do with it. I personally don't think that's what the reasoning for it was but I do think now that it's over - race will play a factor when it comes down to it. I've had people who I've gone to high school with on Facebook, commenting on my post saying that it was just a mistake. That I dont care about a cops life because when one gets shot by a black guy then we don't stand up for them. The thing is those two things are completely different. A majority of the cops killings usually end in an arrest - with a larger bail and not 3 days later. When it comes to black lives - we've seen multiple people on camera - not resisting and still get off charges. I think that's where people tend to get confused. Just be a decent 🤬🤬🤬 human being for once and stop trying to justify this killing because honestly if they don't see what is wrong in this story and why she deserves to be charged (regardless) and continue to use those excuses our country won't go anywhere

Sidenote: the guy on Facebook who stated that I only mention when a black person gets killed .. or my favorite line, "you don't say anything about black or black crime." Knew nothing about what I talked about and what I didn't because for a while I deactivated my Facebook and only used twitter. Lucky for him, I found all my tweets talking about what he said I didn't talk about. Hit him with the screenshots and I ain't hear a peep back ✌

Sorry if I'm babbling, I'm tired but can't sleep. Hopefully, I don't think my neighbors upstairs apartment is my apartment and accidentally shoot them. Wondering if they left the door ajared for me? ::sarcasm::
 
  • #220
No, I didn't mean that she had one of those guns that night. They would still all have their holstered service guns, wouldn't they?
I meant marksmanship would not much matter in the elite squad that she was in, because they do use those big rapid fire guns.


Ahh I see, sorry! Hopefully they would still have marksman courses in her unit. I can't find the article where I read she was in a task force, I will look later. I am off to bed now, night!
 
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