TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[imstilla.grandma]

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They carried a casket and marched behind a hearse, saying they will not stop protesting until Guyger is fired and justice is served.

Dallas DA calls for calm, but demonstrators still march in Botham Jean case

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

It doesn't matter if those arrested broke off and committed misdemeanor offenses like assault, petty almost murder, acts against vegetables or fireless arson; they are to have a bond set within no less than 24 hours or be released on their own recognizance.

Please see post 390 and encourage all your fellow citizens to seek out such timely and relevant legal dicta and holdings even if it means learning to comprehend the artful language used in crafting such documents because, these are at the core of the mechanisms our own neighbors abuse to violate our rights, injure or kill us, rob us to then argue with jurisdicitonal courts why their heinous acts against humanity really are ok.

All the wrongs done in Merika eventually are either rejected or condoned and documented via a less than clear and simple application of our English language. Lots of words, words, words.

9 arrested on traffic obstruction charges during protest of Botham Jean's killing will stay in jail overnight | Crime | Dallas News

The 9 who were arrested broke off from the other protesters and obstructed traffic.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Their bonds should have been set yesterday or they should have been released unsecured on their own recognizance.

Has anyone found an update on the 9 protesters? They should see a judge today, if I understood correctly.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

What is this article about? Pathological and habitual criminal OR substance dependent cops being treated?

Some Texas police facing charges are now sent to treatment, not jail. Is that fair?

 

[Jax49]

What is this article about? Pathological and habitual criminal OR substance dependent cops being treated?

“It’s designed to get someone who has a mental health issue into treatment, instead of just throwing them away,”

(Sen. Konni) Burton specifically raised the concern that the way the law is written, it might apply to a murder defendant.

The law’s author, state Rep. Charlie Geren “I find it very unlikely that anyone facing a manslaughter or murder charge would ever be approved for this,” he said.

 

[BTL1]

It doesn't matter if those arrested broke off and committed misdemeanor offenses like assault, petty almost murder, acts against vegetables or fireless arson; they are to have a bond set within no less than 24 hours or be released on their own recognizance.

Please see post 390 and encourage all your fellow citizens to seek out such timely and relevant legal dicta and holdings even if it means learning to comprehend the artful language used in crafting such documents because, these are at the core of the mechanisms our own neighbors abuse to violate our rights, injure or kill us, rob us to then argue with jurisdicitonal courts why their heinous acts against humanity really are ok.

All the wrongs done in Merika eventually are either rejected or condoned and documented via a less than clear and simple application of our English language. Lots of words, words, words.

I was not insinuating that they did not deserve bond. I was replying to the post that somehow these 9 were "cherry picked" for arrest while the "grandmas" were not.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Then Mr. Geren should be removed from office IF he wrote a law whose specific intent was not clearly expressed.

There are already to many vague laws on the books whose language is only almost clear and concise to allow irresponsible Reps to add to them.

Top that off with officials openly and willfully violating very clear laws that only confer or deny extremely specific duties and authority, even prescribing penalites for violations, and the mess guys like this create writing laws that he himself seems not to be sure of, results in those laws being bent or broken to make more litigation for those who can afford it. Misery, inequality and injustice manifests.

From Jax49's post # 403:

"The law’s author, state Rep. Charlie Geren “I find it very unlikely that anyone facing a manslaughter or murder charge would ever be approved for this,” he said."

I'll also say, if they are going to start rehabbing cops who commit criminal acts instead of jailing them, they should do the same with the people our nation's 'jailem all' machine thrives on caging for years ongoing and getting worse.

Our jails are overflowing with people who are with addictions, mental illnesses, zero home training or simply cannot afford to pay fines for us to allow cops such deferential treatment at the expense of the people who are often treated poorer in our jails than we treat animals in this country. All in the name of justice????

I'm not saying I'm against cops getting actual help if they need it. I am against the people being denied the same help they need instead of being jailed where they will get no "help", but instead, meet plenty of other trainwrecks while learning to get along with the minority handful of real criminals in our jails. Heck, in many cases the criminals there have been shown to be jail staffers if not the jail's sheriff!

 

[Rocco]

9 arrested on traffic obstruction charges during protest of Botham Jean's killing will stay in jail overnight | Crime | Dallas News

The 9 who were arrested broke off from the other protesters and obstructed traffic.

Obstructing traffic of those trying to get home from work, going to a football game, or taking their child to the hospital, makes no sense IMO. I'm all for the rights of the protesters but I'm also all for the rights of people, the majority of which probably agree with the message of the protesters, to be able to go about their business.

Too bad these 9 people are taking the attention away from Mr. Jean and drawing it to themselves. But for them, this has been a well organized protest, trouble free, and has the world watching.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

They were booked into the Arlington City Jail between 8 and 10 p.m. Sunday and moved Monday to Tarrant County Jail. All nine remained in jail Tuesday morning.

The people arrested were Stephanie Briant, 29, Darryl Burnham, 31, Miracle Freeman, 29, Arminta Jeffreys, 25, Michael Lowe, 38, Melissa Perry, 33, Davante Peters, 25, Lelani Russell, 25, and Dion Williams, 29.

Each had bail set at $100 for the traffic obstruction charge. Lowe was also charged with resisting arrest, for which his bail was set at $200.

Bail set for 9 arrested outside Cowboys game while protesting Botham Jean's killing | Crime | Dallas News

 

[AliceInPain]

She should be in jail, full stop. She is a killer.

 

[rosesfromangels]

What is this article about? Pathological and habitual criminal OR substance dependent cops being treated?

I want to reinforce that IMO, the Perpetrator in question should be tested for anabolic steroid use. This would be special testing above and beyond checking for opioids and other altering substances. The tests for steroids would be very specific, but I believe very relevant to this case. Steroid detection can be short term if in pill form, but up to a year if an oil based injection. https://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/docs/services/steroid_faq.pdf
She should be tested for steroid use.

*Amateur opinion and speculation*

 

[BTL1]

For me there is too much misinformation and missing information to form an opinion as to what happened, or as to what charge(s) AG should be facing at this point in time. The story of her entering the wrong apartment and thinking it was her own, does not make sense to me, but none of the other theories as to why she would knowingly enter his apartment make sense to me either. I have seen some suggest that maybe she used a "pass key" to enter his apartment, but what would be the reason for that? Does anyone really think that she entered his apartment with the intention of killing him? Others have suggested that she went to confront him about the loud music, and he opened the door. This seems plausible, but if he opened the door for her, how is it that he was apparently 12-15 feet from the door when he was shot. And if he did open the door for her, and during the confrontation she drew her firearm and shot him, why make up the story about going to the wrong apartment by mistake, instead of just claiming self-defense? Hopefully truth and justice are forthcoming.

 

[TinaG]

For me there is too much misinformation and missing information to form an opinion as to what happened, or as to what charge(s) AG should be facing at this point in time. The story of her entering the wrong apartment and thinking it was her own, does not make sense to me, but none of the other theories as to why she would knowingly enter his apartment make sense to me either. I have seen some suggest that maybe she used a "pass key" to enter his apartment, but what would be the reason for that? Does anyone really think that she entered his apartment with the intention of killing him? Others have suggested that she went to confront him about the loud music, and he opened the door. This seems plausible, but if he opened the door for her, how is it that he was apparently 12-15 feet from the door when he was shot. And if he did open the door for her, and during the confrontation she drew her firearm and shot him, why make up the story about going to the wrong apartment by mistake, instead of just claiming self-defense? Hopefully truth and justice are forthcoming.

Maybe he opened the door saw an officer and walked away to go grab his britches, but that doesn't explain why she shot him.

 

[mickey2942]

Hopefully truth and justice are forthcoming.

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The more I see of this entire situation, the less hopeful I am. If nothing else, this has given me an opportunity for critical thinking.

1. The Killer should be fired from the Dallas PD. Do you really want her out in the community with a gun?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Nine people were released on bail just before noon Tuesday after they were arrested Sunday on traffic obstruction charges during protests outside of a Dallas Cowboys game at AT&T Stadium.

9 freed from jail after arrests on traffic obstruction charges during Botham Jean protest outside AT&T Stadium | Crime | Dallas News

 

[Jax49]

SMH. So many MSM articles state her claim that she mistook his apartment for hers, as if it is fact.

I want to scream at them "No". She claims she mistook the apartment but there is no proof that it happened that way. moo

 

[sloane7777]

JMO but once I saw the SM posts All doubt that this was an error just sort of left me .

 

[imstilla.grandma]

A search warrant obtained Sept. 11 granted the district attorney's office permission to pull any data stored inside the locks. Law enforcement also obtained reports about access to locks in both apartments and to the elevators. The contents have not been made public.

The report should show whether Guyger unlocked her own door before going to Jean's apartment. It would also show whether she placed her key in Jean's door.

It's unclear whether the data would show whether Jean unlocked the door from the inside around the time of the shooting

If data stored inside the locks does show Jean's door was locked, it would support statements by Jean's family's attorneys who say witnesses heard someone banging on Jean's door shouting "let me in!"

Alternatively, the data could show the door was unlocked and ajar, as Guyger told police.

Could data from Botham Jean's door lock deliver a break in Amber Guyger case? Dallas DA hopes so | Crime | Dallas News

Why Dallas Authorities Are Desperate to Attack Botham Jean’s Character - St. Lucia Times News

 

[Jax49]

JMO but once I saw the SM posts All doubt that this was an error just sort of left me .

Check Out What Appears To Be Amber Guyger's Pinterest Account

Hard to ignore...

 

[rosesfromangels]

For me there is too much misinformation and missing information to form an opinion as to what happened, or as to what charge(s) AG should be facing at this point in time. The story of her entering the wrong apartment and thinking it was her own, does not make sense to me, but none of the other theories as to why she would knowingly enter his apartment make sense to me either. I have seen some suggest that maybe she used a "pass key" to enter his apartment, but what would be the reason for that? Does anyone really think that she entered his apartment with the intention of killing him? Others have suggested that she went to confront him about the loud music, and he opened the door. This seems plausible, but if he opened the door for her, how is it that he was apparently 12-15 feet from the door when he was shot. And if he did open the door for her, and during the confrontation she drew her firearm and shot him, why make up the story about going to the wrong apartment by mistake, instead of just claiming self-defense? Hopefully truth and justice are forthcoming.

This is one of the best, and most balanced posts I've seen on this thread. You are right, we need more information. We don't know what happened.

When we look at the little we do know, (and correct me if I have any of this wrong), it does not bode well for the Perpetrator:
-Perp claims this was an accident, she thought the apartment was hers. There was a BRIGHT RED carpet in front of the door. That argument is off the table.
-Perp (allegedly) called in a noise complaint about Mr. Jean earlier that day. She had a beef with him.
-Perp had a prior incident in May 2017 where a suspect took possession of her taser and was shot and injured by the Officer in question.
Dallas shooting: Officer could face stiffer charge for killing unarmed neighbor, DA says - CNN

That's alot of shooting in a brief period of time.
What changed around the May 2017 timeframe that might have contributed to these shootings? I question how qualified this Officer was if her taser was taken from her, and she shoots an innocent man in HIS own apartment.

So many questions. Two shooting incidents in a 16 month time period. TWO.
A bright red carpet you have to STEP ON to enter the apartment, and an innocent dead man.

Bright red carpet. Must step on it to get in apartment. Says it all.