TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[VAgirlatheart]

Then Mr. Geren should be removed from office IF he wrote a law whose specific intent was not clearly expressed.

There are already to many vague laws on the books whose language is only almost clear and concise to allow irresponsible Reps to add to them.

Top that off with officials openly and willfully violating very clear laws that only confer or deny extremely specific duties and authority, even prescribing penalites for violations, and the mess guys like this create writing laws that he himself seems not to be sure of, results in those laws being bent or broken to make more litigation for those who can afford it. Misery, inequality and injustice manifests.

From Jax49's post # 403:

"The law’s author, state Rep. Charlie Geren “I find it very unlikely that anyone facing a manslaughter or murder charge would ever be approved for this,” he said."

I'll also say, if they are going to start rehabbing cops who commit criminal acts instead of jailing them, they should do the same with the people our nation's 'jailem all' machine thrives on caging for years ongoing and getting worse.

Our jails are overflowing with people who are with addictions, mental illnesses, zero home training or simply cannot afford to pay fines for us to allow cops such deferential treatment at the expense of the people who are often treated poorer in our jails than we treat animals in this country. All in the name of justice????

I'm not saying I'm against cops getting actual help if they need it. I am against the people being denied the same help they need instead of being jailed where they will get no "help", but instead, meet plenty of other trainwrecks while learning to get along with the minority handful of real criminals in our jails. Heck, in many cases the criminals there have been shown to be jail staffers if not the jail's sheriff!

AGREED. I'm just skimming through but I don't think it's right a thing all. Almost like a slap on the wrist. If they need treatment especially after a major crime, then incorporate it in to jail system. There may be some programs like this already, but let it be for everyone. You can get your treatment while you sit in jail for the crime. Once you are out, if you get out, you are on your own to find treatment at your expense like everyone else has to.

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The more I see of this entire situation, the less hopeful I am. If nothing else, this has given me an opportunity for critical thinking.

1. The Killer should be fired from the Dallas PD. Do you really want her out in the community with a gun?

I think it's because how much we have been let down over and over again. We are programmed to it and that's sad but that's the reality.

No reason should she have her job after two incidents. Why are they protecting her? What the reason, because there is no way to think DPD is seriously waiting on the investigation to wrap when she literally has admitted to it, twice in statements. There for that should atleast get her fired.. but hey, let our tax dollars pay for her to get paid while she sits on her at home .. IMO

If DPD wants to be so hush-hush about things and wants to continue to keep her on payroll then they should've to pay for botham jeans funeral cost since it was an employee of their police department.

She should never be allowed to touch a firearm again.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Also I know I posted yesterday about the the location I though he lived..which I still believe but I feel like it was closer to the front and not near the garage, from the garage you'd have to a long walk which I sure she did but you are telling me, you walking past pall those lit up signs that are numbered 4-101, 4-102. Just example, I don't know what she did but how did you still not notice you was on the 4th floor. She jumped on the lie quick to protect herself which personally hurt her.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

And not to step on toes and get anyone mad about this statement. I respect everyone's opinion and if you don't agree just please scroll pass. I'm not trying to make this about politics, I promise. But how dare Ted Cruz sit there and say that Beto shouldn't be quick to judge the officer and to stop always attacking the police officer.

Uh. What?

So we are supposed to ignore that she admitted twice to shooting him, in his own apartment? But don't blame her right? All Beto said was that this lady should be fired which a majority of us agree.

Sorry if I stepped on toes, but this is why we aren't getting anywhere in our country. We really need to look at everything together. They love to play this game that if anyone speaks out and calls it like it is .. then all of a sudden everyone is anti-police or trying to start a racial war. I pray just as hard and was just as pissed off when we lost 5 Dallas officers. All people want to do is just for once, just once get justice for the ones who can't speak out. And then they wonder why people can't trust policing. Sorry guys. I pray I didn't offend anyone.

Sen. Ted Cruz Calls Rival Beto O'Rourke 'Quick' To Blame Dallas Cop Who Killed Botham Jean | HuffPost

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Click on the thumbnail to view most recent Google Earth imagery. A resident there stated the windows in his apartment overlooked the courtyard and she didn't say pool.

I believe the floor plan and layout is online and if you can't find them to determine where his place actually is relative to the overhead, I'll look although I think I posted links to them in #2.

Also I know I posted yesterday about the the location I though he lived..which I still believe but I feel like it was closer to the front and not near the garage, from the garage you'd have to a long walk which I sure she did but you are telling me, you walking past pall those lit up signs that are numbered 4-101, 4-102. Just example, I don't know what she did but how did you still not notice you was on the 4th floor. She jumped on the lie quick to protect herself which personally hurt her.

 

[sloane7777]

Check Out What Appears To Be Amber Guyger's Pinterest Account

Hard to ignore...

she should have been fired over what she wrote alone , I mean seriously , I'm pretty sure I'd lose my job posting like that ( I have a clause in my employment handbook as I am almost sure she does!)

 

[sloane7777]

And not to step on toes and get anyone mad about this statement. I respect everyone's opinion and if you don't agree just please scroll pass. I'm not trying to make this about politics, I promise. But how dare Ted Cruz sit there and say that Beto shouldn't be quick to judge the officer and to stop always attacking the police officer.

Uh. What?

So we are supposed to ignore that she admitted twice to shooting him, in his own apartment? But don't blame her right? All Beto said was that this lady should be fired which a majority of us agree.

Sorry if I stepped on toes, but this is why we aren't getting anywhere in our country. We really need to look at everything together. They love to play this game that if anyone speaks out and calls it like it is .. then all of a sudden everyone is anti-police or trying to start a racial war. I pray just as hard and was just as pissed off when we lost 5 Dallas officers. All people want to do is just for once, just once get justice for the ones who can't speak out. And then they wonder why people can't trust policing. Sorry guys. I pray I didn't offend anyone.

Sen. Ted Cruz Calls Rival Beto O'Rourke 'Quick' To Blame Dallas Cop Who Killed Botham Jean | HuffPost

I saw that and cringed , she killed him in his own home she should not be on city state or any other payroll.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Have you ever seen the 2011 movie Hot Coffee?

You should watch it and learn just how extremely far right our court systems have become resulting in holdings and precedents which appear right in line with that which would have made Hitler proud. Yep, removed from common decency and humanity. Today, money is speech and money is right. If you're not worth 20, maybe 50 mil in America, you simply aren't relevant.

Note the author of the bill who can't be sure cops charged with certain serious crimes won't benefit from his bill.

All of these incessant "us v them" divisionary strikes removing the people's liberty and their right to pursue happiness, even denying equal justice, semingly so megacorporations can wildly profit seem to point back to the Industrial Military Complex's insatiatble thirst for profit.

Can you think of any "criminals" who comitted outrageously vile and heinous acts that you genuinely believe are sane and not severely mentally ill?

But how dare Ted Cruz sit there and say that Beto shouldn't be quick to judge the officer and to stop always attacking the police officer.

Uh. What?

 

[VAgirlatheart]

This is one of the best, and most balanced posts I've seen on this thread. You are right, we need more information. We don't know what happened.

When we look at the little we do know, (and correct me if I have any of this wrong), it does not bode well for the Perpetrator:
-Perp claims this was an accident, she thought the apartment was hers. There was a BRIGHT RED carpet in front of the door. That argument is off the table.
-Perp (allegedly) called in a noise complaint about Mr. Jean earlier that day. She had a beef with him.
-Perp had a prior incident in May 2017 where a suspect took possession of her taser and was shot and injured by the Officer in question.
Dallas shooting: Officer could face stiffer charge for killing unarmed neighbor, DA says - CNN

That's alot of shooting in a brief period of time.
What changed around the May 2017 timeframe that might have contributed to these shootings? I question how qualified this Officer was if her taser was taken from her, and she shoots an innocent man in HIS own apartment.

So many questions. Two shooting incidents in a 16 month time period. TWO.
A bright red carpet you have to STEP ON to enter the apartment, and an innocent dead man.

Bright red carpet. Must step on it to get in apartment. Says it all.

Let alone if he was at one end and she did come from the garage as she claimed she did - she's had to pass all of those signs with 4 something on them. Surely, she had to know the 3rd floor started with 3 something and 4th floor starts with 4 something. I'm curious if she was working the night of the dallas shootings? Not using that as an excuse but why 2 shootings in a matter of year-year and half. Maybe she's one of those scared officers. You know the exact ones we don't need on the force. Do they get counseling after shootings? I know they said it was justified and I do believe that stealing a taser would be but the way this case has been .. I'm starting to even question that story. And I don't believe that door was ajared, I just don't but like everyone else - we can't figure out what the hell happened without information. I still want that 911 call so bad lol

 

[Rocco]

she should have been fired over what she wrote alone , I mean seriously , I'm pretty sure I'd lose my job posting like that ( I have a clause in my employment handbook as I am almost sure she does!)

If she didn't see a problem with what she posted, why did she now delete her posts?
Oh yeah---I get it---because it shows the real Amber and she doesn't want anyone to know her mindset.
The prosecution thanks her for giving them another exhibit for the jury to see.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Have you ever seen the 2011 movie Hot Coffee?

You should watch it and learn just how extremely far right our court systems have become resulting in holdings and precedents which appear right in line with what would make Hitler proud. Yep, removed from common decency and humanity. Today, money is speech and money is right. If you're not worth 20, maybe 50 mil in America, you simply aren't relevant.

Note the author of the bill who can't be sure cops charged with certain serious crimes won't benefit from his bill.

All of these incessant "us v them" divisionary strikes at the people's liberty and their right to pursue happiness semingly so megacorporations can wildly profit seem to point back to the Industrial Military Complex's insatiatble thirst for profit.

Can you think of any "criminals" who comitted outrageously vile and heinous acts that you genuinely believe are sane and not severely mentally ill?

I stole a candy bar once at the age of 5 and I'd like to think I'm not mental and I am sane. lol (joking, I know what you was staying)

SN: My mom made me take it back and tell the manager that I stole it in front of the whole store. Embarrassing. But I get it.

 

[mister happy]

Also I know I posted yesterday about the the location I though he lived..which I still believe but I feel like it was closer to the front and not near the garage, from the garage you'd have to a long walk which I sure she did but you are telling me, you walking past pall those lit up signs that are numbered 4-101, 4-102. Just example, I don't know what she did but how did you still not notice you was on the 4th floor. She jumped on the lie quick to protect herself which personally hurt her.

To me, the fact that Amber parked on the wrong garage floor is weird in itself. I mean, how could she not notice the floor number signs as she is drove up the parking structure. And it's not as though Amber had just moved in to that apartment complex. She had already lived there a month. Bizarre.

 

[sloane7777]

If she didn't see a problem with what she posted, why did she now delete her posts?
Oh yeah---I get it---because it shows the real Amber and she doesn't want anyone to know her mindset.
The prosecution thanks her for giving them another exhibit for the jury to see.

BBM THIS THIS THIS !!!! and is she stupid enough to think removing it will at all help ?, eh maybe she saved a few people from seeing it that's all

 

[Rocco]

BBM THIS THIS THIS !!!! and is she stupid enough to think removing it will at all help ?, eh maybe she saved a few people from seeing it that's all

I think by deleting them, she may have drawn more attention to them because now everyone is not only talking about them, they're talking about the fact she deleted them.
The jury isn't going to find them as amusing as she apparently did.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Could data from Botham Jean's door lock deliver a break in Amber Guyger case? Dallas DA hopes so | Crime | Dallas News

Why Dallas Authorities Are Desperate to Attack Botham Jean’s Character - St. Lucia Times News

Why did I just get this weird feeling by reading your post.. I think it was about the locks. What if in reality, she did think it was really her apartment, but instead of the door being ajared, it was unlocked and she actually turned the knob and went in, it shocked both of them but her being scared of her own shadow (don't forget she did shoot the other due to what they say "stolen taser" ) she shot him. So the first one stated he met her at the door while. But what if he got up from his bedroom, comes around the corner and walks toward door hence the bowl of cereal, and the book. Maybe by the door being ajared story, it would make her look like it was less harsh? I mean I know that stupid and it didn't explain the witness but my head is all over the damn place. As I type this reply, I'm debating my own self lol

 

[Rocco]

To me, the fact that Amber parked on the wrong garage floor is weird in itself. I mean, how could she not notice the floor number signs as she is drove up the parking structure. And it's not as though Amber had just moved in to that apartment complex. She had already lived there a month. Bizarre.

Not only the number signs but the fact that it took her longer to drive to the floor level to park. Kind of a sub-conscience thing.

I'm surprised she found the right apt complex. This woman had no clue as to what she was doing that night.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Why did I just get this weird feeling by reading your post.. I think it was about the locks. What if in reality, she did think it was really her apartment, but instead of the door being ajared, it was unlocked and she actually turned the knob and went in, it shocked both of them but her being scared of her own shadow (don't forget she did shoot the other due to what they say "stolen taser" ) she shot him. So the first one stated he met her at the door while. But what if he got up from his bedroom, comes around the corner and walks toward door hence the bowl of cereal, and the book. Maybe by the door being ajared story, it would make her look like it was less harsh? I mean I know that stupid and it didn't explain the witness but my head is all over the damn place. As I type this reply, I'm debating my own self lol

I really really hope that even if that door was unlocked - that they aren't looking at that as it was ajared because that's two different things. Kind of. You know what I trying to say.

 

[sloane7777]

Dallas County District Attorney

Wow I missed this from the DA Esp this part.
"The District Attorney’s Public Integrity Division Response team was deployed the night of the shooting and immediately began its own independent investigation with a team of experienced investigators, prosecutors and other professional staff. The District Attorney’s Office becomes involved to ensure a fully transparent and unbiased investigation conducted by an independent, uninvolved law enforcement agency. The DA is now taking the lead on this case.

The team that I put together includes three prosecutors and two investigators from Public Integrity, an appellate prosecutor and an intake/grand jury prosecutor, a victim’s rights coordinator, and a forensic digital media analyst.

I believe it’s important for the public to understand that from the moment the Texas Rangers issued a warrant for manslaughter for Amber Guyger, and the case was turned over to my office, my team has worked around the clock to gather evidence, issue search warrants and talk to witnesses in the pursuit of justice in his case."

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Not only the number signs but the fact that it took her longer to drive to the floor level to park. Kind of a sub-conscience thing.

I'm surprised she found the right apt complex. This woman had no clue as to what she was doing that night.

I think I mentioned this last night about her parking in the garage after a long shift. Parking may have been full on her floor, so she may have parked on 4 because of that. But that would be something that she would remember. Think about it after a long shift, no parking would piss me off.. or least I always get pissed when parking isn't near my place lol

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I really really hope that even if that door was unlocked - that they aren't looking at that as it was ajared because that's two different things. Kind of. You know what I trying to say.

I am so very conflicted on this case. I know I post a lot of stuff. I am trying to objectively weigh the facts. My thoughts shift around though. I want to see the blood test and toxicology results of both involved. Those may finally push me off the fence.

 

[Rocco]

I think I mentioned this last night about her parking in the garage after a long shift. Parking may have been full on her floor, so she may have parked on 4 because of that. But that would be something that she would remember. Think about it after a long shift, no parking would piss me off.. or least I always get pissed when parking isn't near my place lol

Good point.
It would have been a significant reminder that she wasn't on her own floor if she had go up to another floor to park.