TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[Rocco]

I’m not saying she shouldn’t be held responsible for what happened. See my very first post in this thread. WE don’t know what went on inside of her head the moment she saw his shadow coming towards her. Maybe she DID fear for her life? We simply DONT KNOW. But some of the labels I’ve been people put on her, I feel are jumping the gun.

The gunshot residue is on the door frame and in the kitchen. He wasn't coming toward her, she was advancing toward him. The sequence of the apt layout is: entryway, kitchen, living room. She shot from the entryway leaving GSR on the door frame and hit the living room wall. She then advanced and shot at him again, leaving GSR in the kitchen. That shot killed him.
She had no reason to fear for her life. She wasn't trapped in the apt., she was in the entryway, free to back out into the hallway with her drawn and loaded gun.

 

[mister happy]

I'm sure I have read that there were not assigned parking places.

Wow. Maybe I'm behind the times, but you'd think that a large apartment complex would have reserved parking for the tenants.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

BBM THIS THIS THIS !!!! and is she stupid enough to think removing it will at all help ?, eh maybe she saved a few people from seeing it that's all

Why am I always late to the party? Dang it. I did this yesterday.

 

[raven9860]

<modsnip: profanity> She senselessly and needlessly took an innocent man's life that he will never get back. She is a killer or would you prefer life thief?

Thank you!

 

[sloane7777]

Point goes to Rocco. I have to agree.

100% agree with Rocco too !

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I am so very conflicted on this case. I know I post a lot of stuff. I am trying to objectively weigh the facts. My thoughts shift around though. I want to see the blood test and toxicology results of both involved. Those may finally push me off the fence.

Yes, I know my husband gets sick of me talking about it. Which one is it? You're all over the place. But can you blame me, AG doesn't even know which story to go with lol

 

[sloane7777]

Thank you!

and point # 2 =100% agreement also!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Yes, I know my husband gets sick of me talking about it. Which one is it? You're all over the place. But can you blame me, AG doesn't even know which story to go with lol

Investigations 101: A good investigator always doubts her/him self.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

For the reasons generally that you state and the framing with dirty lens, I can't bring myself to watch it again and was glad to watch it the first time.

This is super helpful actually because yesterday, I put them in a different place because I only seen the "pool" and thought that is what she meant by courtyard. But you maybe right about this one. I couldn't find a updated view for the life of me, so I walked around the whole building, or shall I say "scroll" lol. The only thing I would like to point out, is a post that I seen on facebook, where she was following the blood trail, so I thought that it was the right place. Do you know which video I am speaking of? It was painful to watch because all of misinformation that she said in it. I know we can't link it but good walk through following blood but I had to mute it. ;p

 

[sloane7777]

Those are questions I’ve been wondering too. It upsets me to see most posters called her a killer like she’s a cold blooded killer. We all make mistakes. Not one of us is perfect. If they were in the same position, would they want to be labeled as a “killer”, if it was truly an accident? Until this goes to trial (if it does), we’re not gonna know what really happened. So to automatically assume she’s this stone cold blooded killer, I feel is wrong.

but she didn't accidentally shoot him , she did it on purpose she could have backed out and called for backup, period .

 

[jjenny]

but she didn't accidentally shoot him , she did it on purpose she could have backed out and called for backup, period .

TX has a castle doctrine (stand your ground). Even if you can safely retreat, you don't have to, if somebody is in your home. Of course she was in somebody's home. But she will likely use a "mistake of fact" defense.
If she believed to be in her home, however mistakenly, then the jury could decide there was no crime committed.

 

[Rocco]

<modsnip: profanity> She senselessly and needlessly took an innocent man's life that he will never get back. She is a killer or would you prefer life thief?

Is 'life thief' the politically correct term for killer? I don't do PC so I'm going to have to go with 'killer'.

 

[Cryptic]

she should have been fired over what she wrote alone , I mean seriously , I'm pretty sure I'd lose my job posting like that ( I have a clause in my employment handbook as I am almost sure she does!)

I once worked in a position of public trust. Our handbook simply said we could not advocate political positions to the extent that the average member of the public would perceive that we were incapable of acting fairly.

I don't see anything in her postings that would suggest she is not capable of acting fairly. She is not a member of the military, so she has no loyalty oath to Obama or Trump. She does not need to affirm either one and can be critical (to a certain level) of one, both or neither. Likewise, she is free to express support of her fellow police officers, and has no obligation to affirm either left wing or right wing social positions. Rather, she can criticize any number of social positions for any reason.

Yes, some posts refer to the need to have patience not to kill people, but they are not a recurring theme. In short, before an officer is fired for having political opinions (most people have them), there should be clear and overwhelming indications that the officer is not capable of acting fairly.

 

[BTL1]

She doesn't claim that shooting him was an accident.
We all make mistakes but when one's mistake involves killing an innocent man you can't just say "Oops---sorry, I made a mistake" You have to held accountable for those kinds of 'mistakes' and pay your price to society.

The "price" to be paid is different based on the circumstances.

 

[sloane7777]

I once worked in a position of public trust. Our handbook simply said we could not advocate political positions to the extent that the average member of the public would perceive that we were incapable of acting fairly.

I don't see anything in her postings that would suggest she is not capable of acting fairly. She is not a member of the military, so she has no loyalty oath to Obama or Trump. She does not need to affirm either one and can be critical (to a certain level) of one, both or neither. Likewise, she is free to express support of her fellow police officers, and has no obligation to affirm either left wing or right wing social positions. Rather, she can criticize any number of social positions for any reason.

Yes, some posts refer to the need to have patience not to kill people, but they are not a recurring theme. In short, before an officer is fired for having political opinions (most people have them), there should be clear and overwhelming indications that the officer is not capable of acting fairly.

BBM if you say it more than once , its a reoccurring theme + other SM was deleted so how do we know that

 

[Rocco]

TX has a castle doctrine (stand your ground). Even if you can safely retreat, you don't have to, if somebody is in your home. Of course she was in somebody's home. But she will likely use a "mistake of fact" defense.
If she believed to be in her home, however mistakenly, then the jury could decide there was no crime committed.

She would have to prove that she had to use deadly force---and she didn't.

 

[Rocco]

The "price" to be paid is different based on the circumstances.

Right. So let the jury decide.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Certainly vanity and pride were part of the motivation for her vaporizing her social media although I am inclined to believe she was about a certain type of hatred with a blue superiority complex evident that if widely known, would slip the noose around her neck for what she has done.

That act does provide strong presumtion she indeed had something to hide. I do however, recall facebook posters stating that soon after the shooting she was on her account presumably bickering with people prior to deleting it.

It won't surprise me if Texas manages to prohibt the family from getting her social media or if they get it, allow it to be suppressed in the event she stands trial.

I kinda think the State would move on it first so they can control it. I kinda think for the family to get it, they most likely will have to file suit. I doubt Facebook and others will release it without Court Order or subpoena.

Remember, Mr. Jean (RIP) has no say and can make no demands in how her case is prosecuted. The same would mostly hold true had he survived as victims have very few rights. He won't get discovery which will likely be sealed and it could be years before we never know the truth.

I wish I could count on the beautiful truth of whatever is available to be made public without any obfuscations or distortions.

I think by deleting them, she may have drawn more attention to them because now everyone is not only talking about them, they're talking about the fact she deleted them.
The jury isn't going to find them as amusing as she apparently did.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

To me, the fact that Amber parked on the wrong garage floor is weird in itself. I mean, how could she not notice the floor number signs as she is drove up the parking structure. And it's not as though Amber had just moved in to that apartment complex. She had already lived there a month. Bizarre.

Do we know if they had any floor number signs? I imagine they all have them but I swore I seen, they didn't have them.

And before anyone says "its a new facility built in 2015" - Some may remember the Morris case where she got abducted at the shops of legacy - for people who don't live in Dallas. The shops of legacy is in Plano - in the Dallas area. Its in a super nice area with bars, shops and restaurants. Its super upscale and even then only one camera was working or something ridiculous .. My point I was making, it would surprise me if it didn't lol

 

[jjenny]

She would have to prove that she had to use deadly force---and she didn't.

You don't have to prove that in TX if you are in your home, you are assumed to have a right to use deadly force against an intruder.