TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered his apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #3

[BTL1]

Right. So let the jury decide.

That's my point. We don't know all the facts, yet some have already convicted her in their minds and don't care what really happened.

 

[Rocco]

You don't have to prove that in TX if you are in your home, you are assumed to have a right to use deadly force against an intruder.

She wasn't trapped in the apt. She didn't hear any children crying and screaming inside. She didn't hear a significant other yelling 'help me!' inside. So she didn't have to go inside and advance on him once she saw him.
Deadly force wasn't necessary.

 

[Rocco]

That's my point. We don't know all the facts, yet some have already convicted her in their minds and don't care what really happened.

This isn't a court of law, it's a forum and we can form an opinion based on what we know so far and express it.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

I am so very conflicted on this case. I know I post a lot of stuff. I am trying to objectively weigh the facts. My thoughts shift around though. I want to see the blood test and toxicology results of both involved. Those may finally push me off the fence.

At first I was going to say, why would the victims blood test matter? But I guess it should once we think about it. If his came back negative, then it only means two things. He wasn't smoking it, maybe selling it or ........ it was placed. BAMMMM! (or I guess he could have been holding it for someone, very doubtful) But if he's clean .. I want to hear whoever released that search warrant to the public in order to destroy his characteristic apologize to him (first, I don't care if he has to scream to heaven), his family, co-workers, friends and the whole community because it wasn't even necessary and they knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Nary a soul is OBLIGATED to believe or care about her accounting of what happened or how scared she was because of her extremely long chain of presumed reckless errors. We're just human and she intentionally took the life, needlessly and senselessly, of another fellow human that may prove more likable than she.

The non-stop senseless killing by cops who our <sic... their> system generally condones has outraged many of the people even that are devoutly pro-police.

That's my point. We don't know all the facts, yet some have already convicted her in their minds and don't care what really happened.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Ya reckon? Ya think she could have called for backup like she was trained to do so when they arrived they could horse laugh in her face and likely recommend she be be awarded a vacation to the nearest nervous hospital?

Gee that would have been a humiliating and serious wound to a prideful person's self-identity.

She would have to prove that she had to use deadly force---and she didn't.

 

[BTL1]

Nary a soul is OBLIGATED to believe or care about her accounting of what happened or how scared she was because of her extremely long chain of reckless errors. We're just human and she intentionally took the life, needlessly and senselessly, of another fellow human that may prove more likable than she.

The non-stop senseless killing by cops who our <sic... their> system generally condones has outraged many of the people even that are devoutly pro-police.

Hopefully the jury will weigh the actual facts of THIS case, and not rule out of a sense of social justice based on what you describe as "the non-stop senseless killing by cops".

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

She WANTED her first trophy kill otherwise she WOULD have been mindful of her training and called for back up, and if for no other reason than to not put one of DPD's assets in grave danger.

She wasn't trapped in the apt. She didn't hear any children crying and screaming inside. She didn't hear a significant other yelling 'help me!' inside. So she didn't have to go inside and advance on him once she saw him.
Deadly force wasn't necessary.

 

[BTL1]

This isn't a court of law, it's a forum and we can form an opinion based on what we know so far and express it.

Right. So let the jury decide.

 

[Rocco]

You don't have to prove that in TX if you are in your home, you are assumed to have a right to use deadly force against an intruder.

Do you have a link that states in Texas you can use as much force as you want ?

 

[VAgirlatheart]

Interesting point of view. Me? I don't care what the toxicology shows for either one of them. I can't think of any reason why his should matter. And it doesn't matter to me if she was stone cold sober or high on drugs, either way, she killed an innocent man in his home and should be charged with murder because she intentionally shot him to kill him---and she did.
She may have gone to the wrong apt unintentionally but she didn't shoot him unintentionally. Said so herself.

I agree with everything you said. It doesn't matter. She did what she did and its still what it is ... However, If his came back negative and her's didn't -
1. It could prove it was hers which would change the case, by planting evidence.
2. It meant he wasn't smoking it. Could he be possibly sold it on the side. Its doubtful.
3. He was holding it for someone that maybe was staying with him for a while, extremely doubtful due to not one single thing that would indicate that but you never know, you see this on ID channel all the time, its the most outrageous stories. I mean there were pillows and blankets on the couch. Maybe that person was AGs boyfriend that we don't know about and set it up.

Honestly guys, i'm half way asleep. My theories are become more and more ridiculous. hahahahaha
i'm looking back at my post looking like, what am I even talking about? lol

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I guess it depends on how the powers that be in Dallas stack the jury, maybe the entire jury pool will be cousins of law enforcement and other interested government types?

Hopefully the jury will weigh the actual facts of THIS case, and not rule out of a sense of social justice based on what you describe as "the non-stop senseless killing by cops".

 

[Rocco]

Right. So let the jury decide.

The jury can decide in court.
We can decide on this forum.

 

[Rocco]

I guess it depends on how the powers that be in Dallas stack the jury, maybe the entire jury pool will be cousins of law enforcement and other interested government types?

We'll see how vigorously the prosecution wants to win this case.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Feel free to go do that while the sluething, collaberating and civilized exchange of information and ideas here, continues. Typed with all due respect.

Right. So let the jury decide.

 

[BTL1]

Feel free to go do that while the sluething, collaberating and civilized exchange of information and ideas here, continues. Typed with all due respect.

I was quoting another member's comment to an earlier post of mine. With all due respect.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Hopefully the jury will weigh the actual facts of THIS case, and not rule out of a sense of social justice based on what you describe as "the non-stop senseless killing by cops".

That is what the jury is obligated to do, and the Judge to insure. There are various appeals that can transpire if the defendant feels the verdict was unjust. I think she will plea out, and this case will be resolved rather quickly. I believe her gun slinging days are over for good. Let's hope so.
-Guess we'll see-
Then, of course, the family can sue her and potentially the department civilly as well. That's a whole other matter, and one, which I don't think she will prevail....at all.

Amateur opinion and speculation.

 

[BTL1]

The jury can decide in court.
We can decide on this forum.

I was just quoting you.

 

[Rocco]

I was just quoting you.

Point well taken.

 

[VAgirlatheart]

This isn't a court of law, it's a forum and we can form an opinion based on what we know so far and express it.

Exactly. The only facts we need is that he is dead, she shot him, and she was trespassing in his home. Period. Automatically guilty. It may have been an accident and if it was then that's unfortunate because if you were that tired, you should not of agreed to work overtime. If it was mandatory, then she'll likely have plenty of time in jail to take DPD to court for that issue, if she felt like she had to do it. It's unfortunate circumstance that being careless and not paying attention cost us a good guy who could have contribute to change in our country, there's not many of them left but it also cost her a job, some years of her life. But there are a lot of people in jails across the country with tragic stories and i'm sure some of theirs were an accidents too. She's young, they may not give her all those years because of that reason, but she's guilty no matter how you look at it.