TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[Suwannee]

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Bittersweet remembrance. An extraordinary being is lost to this world.

@imstilla.grandma - Your comment is right on the mark! Thank you!!

Below are the lyrics of the song Botham Shem Jean’s beloved grandmother taught him how to sing for Harding University Chapel that met on 19 March 2012. The melody and lyrics compliment each other beautifully:
Master, the Tempest Is Raging > Lyrics | Mary A. Baker
As Dr. McLarty mentioned during Botham’s funeral service, an HU archived video clip of his leading this song for chapel was replayed for HU’s morning chapel on Tuesday, 11 September; posthumously, Botham served by leading them one final time (about the 30-minute mark):
Harding University Chapel 9/11/2018

 

[TinaG]

Yes. Dallas news reports stated that she requested and was allowed to call her partner. Also said that she was told not to discuss the situation during the call.

That has infuriated me since I watched it on the news. I can't imagine that PD would allow me to call a co-worker while my victim was laying dead in front of me.

The thing that bothers me about the statement is if they allowed her to call her partner but advised her not to discuss the situation, what's the point of calling the partner, what was she going to say 'hey, I'm did something really bad but I can't talk about it' ?

 

[GMG1999]

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Thank you. I am a staunch supporter of The Blue, and what this woman did is a disgrace to the uniform and the honor of this noble profession.

Amateur opinion and speculation only.

I too am a staunch supporter of The Blue. I realize they have a hard and stressful job and they should applauded for what they do. They certainly should be paid more. That being said, when cops do things like this, they should not be cops. Ever again. They lose that ability when they do things like this. They also should face the consequences of their actions when they are wrong just like everyone else has to and there is absolutely no reason and no positive thing that can come out of a PD helping someone in this situation in my opinion. Does not help PR when they do.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

@imstilla.grandma - Your comment is right on the mark! Thank you!!

Below are the lyrics of the song Botham Shem Jean’s beloved grandmother taught him how to sing for Harding University Chapel that met on 19 March 2012. The melody and lyrics compliment each other beautifully:
Master, the Tempest Is Raging > Lyrics | Mary A. Baker
As Dr. McLarty mentioned during Botham’s funeral service, an HU archived video clip of his leading this song for chapel was replayed for HU’s morning chapel on Tuesday, 11 September; posthumously, Botham served by leading them one final time (about the 30-minute mark):
Harding University Chapel 9/11/2018

Thank you. I really hope people will watch the entire video as he starts out softly and rises with his passion. His face at the end is everything. This tragedy has triggered my blues, so I’m a little sentimental. I realize this YouTube I’m gonna post is off topic, but it’s my tribute to him.

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[kaen]

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I have no doubt the department & prosecutor are going to be very careful and play strictly by the books. There are plenty of angry eyes carefully scrutinizing the next steps of all involved in this tragic event.

I agree but they can't unring the bell of the consent search that found nothing when they were under the impression that she was involved in an officer involved shooting. What were they looking for that day? Can we be sure that they were looking for evidence that would prove she shot him purposely or accidentally? They could have sealed her apartment and investigated. Maybe they would have been looking for certain evidence after the initial change in officer involve to non-officer involved investigation. She and others had access to the apartment. What if she had a photo on the immediate wall above the light switch that would have clued her in immediately that she was in the wrong home? She would have been able to move furniture, change the switches or whatever once she had access to her apartment. Maybe her apartment was photographed but I doubt it. This is also an issue of optics---does the investigation seem to be favoring her or him or neither since they are just looking for the facts.

 

[kaen]

The thing that bothers me about the statement is if they allowed her to call her partner but advised her not to discuss the situation, what's the point of calling the partner, what was she going to say 'hey, I'm did something really bad but I can't talk about it' ?

Code for "call my delegate", according to my family members in LE. You want your delegate and the union involved immediately. And, your fellow officers know that.

ETA: I was just reminded that saying outloud that you want your delegate called can appear that fear guilt being assigned/impropriety or a bad shoot. So, calling your partner, they have your back and call your delegate for you.

 

[TinaG]

Code for "call my delegate", according to my family members in LE. You want your delegate and the union involved immediately.

Thank you, that explains it!

 

[TinaG]

Code for "call my delegate", according to my family members in LE. You want your delegate and the union involved immediately. And, your fellow officers know that.

ETA: I was just reminded that saying outloud that you want your delegate called can appear that fear guilt being assigned/impropriety or a bad shoot. So, calling your partner, they have your back and call your delegate for you.

And thank you again for elaborating!

 

[raven9860]

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[DisturbedConcerned]

It is represented that the Rangers obtained the consent to search and I do not believe they are obligated to reveal anything under Rule 16.

My impression is the inventory sheets published later (several days later) were a result of DPD rallying and starting their own independent investigation.

Sound right?

I agree but they can't unring the bell of the consent search that found nothing when they were under the impression that she was involved in an officer involved shooting. What were they looking for that day? Can we be sure that they were looking for evidence that would prove she shot him purposely or accidentally? They could have sealed her apartment and investigated. Maybe they would have been looking for certain evidence after the initial change in officer involve to non-officer involved investigation. She and others had access to the apartment. What if she had a photo on the immediate wall above the light switch that would have clued her in immediately that she was in the wrong home? She would have been able to move furniture, change the switches or whatever once she had access to her apartment. Maybe her apartment was photographed but I doubt it. This is also an issue of optics---does the investigation seem to be favoring her or him or neither since they are just looking for the facts.

 

[bwt42]

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Either she knew exactly where she was, and why she was there, (to tell him not to make any more noise is my speculation), or she was altered by some sort of substance.
If I had to choose one, Id say it's to warn him not to make noise. I think she got hot headed and we know the rest. I don't think there is a lot to figure out in this case, but that's opinion of course.

Amateur speculation and opinion only.

It was reported she parked her car on his floor instead of hers. If true, how does this fit your noise complaint theory?

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Has one curious why they obtained the elevator logs and such.

It was reported she parked her car on his floor instead of hers. If true, how does this fit your noise complaint theory?

 

[mickey2942]

The Dallas PD has a huge situation here. Internally. Officers will begin to believe that Killer Cop is getting preferential treatment, over and above what other officers would get if the situation was reversed.

This is a lit fuse, on a stick of dynamite.

Interesting article on Police Crime.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/569950/

 

[kaen]

It was reported she parked her car on his floor instead of hers. If true, how does this fit your noise complaint theory?

His lawyers have said they have evidence (turned over to investigators that there was a noise complaint from the apartment below his on that day and had been complaints about him from his neighbor one floor below before as it related to early morning movement. The outstanding questions (maybe the Rangers know but we don't) seem to be if she did park on the 4th floor, did she go to her apartment, did she use the elevator, is there video of her movements in the garage and the halls and more related to her actions. There are a couple theories going on these threads concerning the noise complaints and its relation to a potential confrontation. We will know definitively when the trial occurs, I suspect.

 

[kaen]

It is represented that the Rangers obtained the consent to search and I do not believe they are obligated to reveal anything under Rule 16.

My impression is the inventory sheets published later (several days later) were a result of DPD rallying and starting their own independent investigation.

Sound right?

Not sure. I am out today but I will look at articles and press statements to determine who got the consent to search. If it was the Rangers, the apartment was not secure until they took the case. So evidence may have been removed or the space altered.

I am not sure if the warrant was result of the DPD or the prosecutor's office. I will look into that as well.

 

[rosesfromangels]

It was reported she parked her car on his floor instead of hers. If true, how does this fit your noise complaint theory?

I think she just drove up there first, intending to go park on her floor after is my hypothesis. I simply can’t believe she mistook the apartment as her own with the bright red floor mat out in front. Nope. Not buying it.

Amateur opinion and speculation only.

 

[TinaG]

Jim G I have another question, would you consider the same exhaustion excuse for a male officer? Lol, serving warrants to keep our city safe! She sure did not keep our city safe that night!

edited for incorrect terminology

 

[Gigglingtoes]

A cellphone? video exists of an exchange sounding much like this but I do not recall hearing any mention of who she was asking to call...... more like, 'can I make a phone call?' and then, 'yes'

The neighbor who said this- was not allowed out of her apartment. She is right next door to Mr Jean. They made her stay in her apartment. She was alarmed. She was probably panicking. Understandable.

The neighbor who took the video of it all? They live below Mr Jean. They were extremely quick to video and that is so helpful. Thank goodness that the neighbor although maybe frightened, decided this should be recorded. Who knows if there are any others.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

If she was leaving the police station on Lamar Ave in Dallas and she LIVES on Lamar Ave...she could of just walked home. Just an idea. Making the parking irrelevant.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

I am certain the Rangers obtained consent 'in the hours following' and nothing indicates DPD prevented her unfettered access to her place until that time. I do not know if Rangers arrived within minutes or if it was some larger amount of time before DPD handed them the case.

Nothing I've seen demonstrate she was handled like any other person would be under outrageously identical circumstances.

Her badge and uniform doesn't abolish culpabilty for actual crimes and murdering a person is pretty serious.

No madam, you MAY NOT MAKE ANY PHONE CALLS AT THIS TIME, we are in the middle of an investigation into your intentionally taking the life of another.....here, try on these bracelet for size... now that would be more realistic had it been anyone else. At the very least, she would have been detained and under custodial arrest, not free to call anyone.

Not sure. I am out today but I will look at articles and press statements to determine who got the consent to search. If it was the Rangers, the apartment was not secure until they took the case. So evidence may have been removed or the space altered.

I am not sure if the warrant was result of the DPD or the prosecutor's office. I will look into that as well.