TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[DisturbedConcerned]

allegedly a 5 minute drive and her story is she did drive and parked on the 4th level where the decedent lived

I haven't looked on Google Earth to gauge how far a drive it is

If she was leaving the police station on Lamar Ave in Dallas and she LIVES on Lamar Ave...she could of just walked home. Just an idea. Making the parking irrelevant.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Botham Jean is not here to give his version of what happened because he’s dead,” said one family lawyer, Benjamin Crump.
“Law enforcement has no place for fearful officers,” said Jameca Woody Falconer, a police psychologist based in St. Louis. “Fearful officers make hasty decisions and bad decisions. In this situation, the officer allowed her fear to influence her decision-making and it cost an innocent man his life.”

Falconer said Guyger should have been better trained to de-escalate any conflict with Jean once the two saw each other, and to determine quickly that she was in the wrong apartment.

Others say that even though Guyger was in the wrong apartment, she could have had a reasonable belief that she was defending her life and her property.

“This is a question about her using deadly force and whether you could say, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there is no reasonable view of what she did,” said Eugene O’Donnell, a former police officer and prosecutor who is now a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

O’Donnell said it would require a full investigation to determine all the factors that went into her shooting Jean, and that one or two details could make a difference.

“It’s a mistake to dismiss something out of hand simply because ... it appears to be implausible or inexplicable,” he said.

Laurence Miller, a police psychologist in Boca Raton, Florida, said that based on the current information available, Guyger appears to have “basically followed the procedure for handling a potential deadly force encounter.”

“The main problem is: What was Officer Guyger doing in Jean’s apartment in the first place?” Miller said.

Experts disagree on whether Dallas officer could be credible

 

[sassyblue]

Couldn't get the pic to post how I was hoping (from post#827). Is there a pic somewhere out there of her apartment like this, with the number on it and all? I haven't seen one, but was wondering if her door handle is on the same side as his or opposite side.

Her door handle is on the same side as his door. The doors are exact except for the addition of the red rug in front of his door.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

allegedly a 5 minute drive and her story is she did drive and parked on the 4th level where the decedent lived

I haven't looked on Google Earth to gauge how far a drive it is

I looked at distance it’s close

I don’t remember seeing her say she drove but you are probably right

 

[Jax49]

I looked at distance it’s close

I don’t remember seeing her say she drove but you are probably right

We don't know where she claimed to drive from, but she did indicate she parked on the wrong floor. moo

ETA: Did she stop somewhere on the way home? That's unknown, I think.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Guyger just had ended a 15-hour shift Thursday when she returned in uniform to the South Side Flats apartment complex.

That official said there was no blood near the door that would have indicated Jean was there when he was shot. There was "a small amount along the paramedics' route with Botham," one of the officials said. "But that was mostly outside the apartment."

The Dallas police search warrant was obtained Sept. 7, just hours after the shooting. A police spokesman said later the same day that investigators had not yet interviewed Guyger, who called 911 to report the shooting. Guyger was interviewed by Texas Rangers before that agency obtained the arrest warrant on Sunday.

One of the law enforcement officials said Guyger has always said she was in the doorway but Jean was not. The same official said Jean was 12 to 15 feet away from the door when first responders arrived.

“That is where he stood when he was shot and where he fell,” that law enforcement official said.

Evidence released in Botham Jean slaying prompts allegations of 'smear campaign' | Crime | Dallas News

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“The Dallas police search warrant was obtained Sept. 7, just hours after the shooting. A police spokesman said later the same day that investigators had not yet interviewed Guyger, who called 911 to report the shooting. Guyger was interviewed by Texas Rangers before that agency obtained the arrest warrant on Sunday.”

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Next up: where’s the blood test Amber girl?????

I would be willing to place a bet it’s not good results because if they were..I think they would of already released them.

“Let’s wait a week or so and let things cool off.”

 

[mickey2942]

Killer had Plenty of time to clean up her apartment, and get her "new" story straight. Probably sobered up quite a bit by that time, as well. (Of course, that is conjecture on my part).

Killer should've been cuffed, and put in lockup. Botham would have been, if he had told the EXACT same story. The Killer's home should have been searched with a warrant while she was in lockup. And her clothing kept in the evidence locker, while she was in lockup in her orange jumpsuit.

I hope other police departments will look at this situation, and make mandatory rules regarding "Off duty police officer" crimes. Specific administrative procedures, with no room for "interpretation". That can be sorted out the next day, with bond hearing, investigation. That would go a long way towards alleviating allegations of corruption.

 

[mickey2942]

Next up: where’s the blood test Amber girl?????

I would be willing to place a bet it’s not good results because if they were..I think they would of already released them.

“Let’s wait a week or so and let things cool off.”

Or a few months, or years...don't want to taint the jury pool!

 

[Jax49]

Re the parking situation, IIRC, I read tenants were to park on the floor corresponding to the floor the lived on. Were there assigned spots?

 

[jennieohhh]

RSBM
I think your question about the distrust is a good one. There are many reasons that people may distrust law enforcement. (Here is a great recent example on WS--- Arkansas police officer fired after telling a group of black men 'you don't belong in my city')

I am not anti-police. I have family members who are police officers. Even my family members have noted the corrupt practices in departments and actions that are questionable. When we as a society believe that questioning those in power (government and law enforcement) is verboten, we lose freedom and the ideals that the country was founded upon. It is not good for police or government or anyone to develop beliefs that their behavior will not be scrutinized or challenged.

In the killing of Mr. Jean, the shooter/officer made questionable actions regardless of whether she was seen as an on-duty or off-duty officer. Mr. Jean paid for her actions with his life. I have very little doubt that this officer was able to change her story based on his ability to contradict her and did so in an effort to exonerate herself from a poor decision and action sequence.

I agree 100% with what you wrote. However, I do feel though that with every profession there are always a few that you scratch your head about. The question is, could AG be one of these cops you scratch your head about? Many would say yes it's obvious bc of the recent incident, but prior to this would it have been so obvious? Most likely not. How about the nurse who accidentally kills someone by making a med error. Would the nurse honestly throw away her whole nursing career with making this mistake on purpose? I automatically want to think it's a done deal the nurse's life should be ruined forever. I'm being too critical/jugemental by jumping to conclusions bc I have certain expectations as a nurse myself. I cannot think like this bc for me, it would cause distrust in my whole nursing profession. I must stick by my peer until it's fully investigated & go from there. Unfortunately, these incidents do happen & it is always in situations like these that it's just too late.

 

[btfly547]

It was reported she parked her car on his floor instead of hers. If true, how does this fit your noise complaint theory?

I can see a way the noise complaint theory would work with parking on a different floor.
Back in my apartment days, parking would be scarce in the evening and night. I would like to ask other residents on the 3rd floor as to how often they would be out of parking and had to park on a higher level. Should be a simple yes or no and I'm hoping it's something that will come up in the investigation.

Possibly she had to park on the 4th level due to no availability, she then figured that while on that level she may as well go confront the upstairs neighbor about the noise, then go to her apartment. Then things went wrong for whatever reason.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Thursday’s shooting occurred after Guyger was returning home in uniform from a 12-hour shift, according to police. Guyger allegedly entered an apartment she thought was hers, and killed a man she didn’t recognize, Dallas’ FOX 4 reported. Afterward, she called 911, police said.”
Amber Guyger, police officer named in Dallas fatal shooting, shot a suspect in 2017: report

“According to an arrest-warrant affidavit, Guyger, who is white, had just completed a 12-hour shift when she walked into an apartment on the floor directly below her own.”
Dallas police killing reaches new low

“• Was fatigue a factor in the incident? Guyger had just worked a 12-hour shift, which included overtime. But officials have not said whether fatigue play any role in the shooting.

• Jean's death was a homicide, according to the medical examiner. His cause of death was a gunshot wound to his chest and abdomen, the medical examiner ruled.

•Grand juries do not decide whether to issue arrest warrants. The decision to issue the warrant was made by the Texas Rangers investigators, who got the warrant signed in the 7th District Court in Dallas County.”
Botham Jean shooting: The facts vs. the rumors

“Guyger had ended a 15-hour shift last Thursday when she returned in uniform to the South Side Flats apartment complex. She parked on the fourth floor, instead of the third, where she lived, according to the affidavit filed for the officer’s arrest warrant, possibly suggesting that she was confused or disoriented.”
Botham Jean family lawyer slams police over apartment search after fatal shooting

“Officer Guyger, who lives in the apartment beneath Jean, was returning home after a 15-hour shift with the Dallas Police Department when she, according to the arrest warrant affidavit, parked on the wrong floor. That mistake then led Guyger to enter the building on the wrong floor -- each parking level corresponds to the level where each resident lives -- and consequently entered the wrong apartment.”
'God Gave Me An Angel': Botham Jean Memorialized Thursday

After working a 12-hour shift, which included overtime, Officer Guyger returned home Thursday around 10 p.m. and walked to an apartment unit she believed to be her own at the Southside Flats in the 1200 block of South Lamar.
Dallas officer Amber Guyger arrested on manslaughter charge in Botham Jean shooting

If MSM is so confused, you can only imagine the effect on the listening audience of the people.

 

[mickey2942]

I have seen a lot of medical and nursing "errors" go "unseen", and undocumented as such. The one difference between a medical professional and a LEO, is often a nurse, goes through years of training, to get to a professional position. An LEO is often hired with a high school or even GED diploma. No classes, aside from POST, which, if you can do the physical, the rest is cake.

I have personally seen nurses lie and coverup. And I am sure you have too.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

No source for your quote? I asked because this one was handed over the Rangers quickly and that unnamed (unofficial and likely under orders to keep that mouth shut) police spokesman is quoted several times saying all manners of things.

You can bet investigators, police officers and a detective spoke to her on the scene. To make any claim she gave no statements during the 911 call and when DPD arrived would be quite absurd.

“The Dallas police search warrant was obtained Sept. 7, just hours after the shooting. A police spokesman said later the same day that investigators had not yet interviewed Guyger, who called 911 to report the shooting. Guyger was interviewed by Texas Rangers before that agency obtained the arrest warrant on Sunday.”

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

*<Mod Snip Snarky>*

Multiple affidavits state she parked on the wrong level, meaning she drove.

I looked at distance it’s close

I don’t remember seeing her say she drove but you are probably right

 

[luvhockey]

I've seen the 2 videos from the person multiple times but had not read what she wrote on Instagram about them.

“My night was interrupted by a cop ‘mistakenly’ murdering a neighbor. I seem to be the only one with any footage of this , so here you go.. first video is the cop a few seconds after she pulled the trigger, crying. And the second video is them pretending to revive what I believe to be an already deseased (sic) victim. These clips come from a 10 minute video. First clip is 57 seconds into the video. The second clip is at 7:33… there was 6 minutes she spent crying in the hall. I’m not intrested in selling this footage so go ahead and tag the blogs you want cause I’m sure my post and/or IG will magically disappear soon. #BothamJean.”

Note, according to the person filming the actual video is 10 min long. From the time AG called until after BJ is taken away my EMTs. The middle part she didn't post was '6 min she spent crying in the hall'.
Which goes to my theory that she never attempted to help him because the door had closed and she couldn't get in. Have I heard/read that she attempted cpr? She would've been covered in blood, the door would've been open...
I still want to know how EMT got into the apt with the door closed. Who opened the door for them if it was closed? This is the crucial piece missing, it all comes down to the door.

I forget if I can post a screenshot of a fb page of a person that lives there? He states as some have asked about the parking.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

I have seen a lot of medical and nursing "errors" go "unseen", and undocumented as such. The one difference between a medical professional and a LEO, is often a nurse, goes through years of training, to get to a professional position. An LEO is often hired with a high school or even GED diploma. No classes, aside from POST, which, if you can do the physical, the rest is cake.

I have personally seen nurses lie and coverup. And I am sure you have too.

I am a retired Special Investigator for my state’s Board of Examiners for Physicians regulating oversight for licensure and discipline. It does not govern criminal law but stands as Administrative Law. I have seen it all. Everyone is human.

 

[La1959]

Initially, msn reported that Guyger was assigned to South Patrol Division which is on Lamar .2 mile from her home. Later they reported that she is assigned to Southeast Patrol Division which is located at 725 N Jim Miller Rd, 7.6 miles from Southside Flats. So who knows.

If she was leaving the police station on Lamar Ave in Dallas and she LIVES on Lamar Ave...she could of just walked home. Just an idea. Making the parking irrelevant.