TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018 #2

[DisturbedConcerned]

I somehow read two holes.... mea culpa and thanks for clearing that up for me.

I thought it meant her aim was lousy? One shot hit him and one hit the wall. moo

ETA: Did you think I meant there were two bullet holes when I said "bullet hole above and to the left of his couch"? If so, I'm sorry for the confusion. I was referring to one bullet hole.

 

[Jax49]

I somehow read two holes.... mea culpa and thanks for clearing that up for me.

No problem.

 

[Rocco]

I was wondering about that - do you think he was backing away from her (remembering the reported distance)?

That's what I think happened. The first shot is from the entryway as he's backing away, hits the wall, and leaves gunshot residue on the door frame.
He tries to get out of her line of fire while backing away and side steps toward the kitchen. She fires a second time and hits him, leaving gunshot residue in the kitchen.

 

[cybervampira]

I was wondering about that - do you think he was backing away from her (remembering the reported distance)?

If her first shot failed, he might have backed away. The shot that hit him in chest and abdomen makes me think he might have ducked and the second bullet went through his chest into his abdomen.

Like in this example:

Because the victim's position was semicrouching at the time, the ab- domen was dented and the liver slid dorsally so the bullet ran into the abdominal wall after tangentially lacerating the liver.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

It would be easier than breathing for me to believe she was higher than a Georgia pine and so paranoid she failed to call for back up, if the door ajar story is what they run with; or tripping her nads off when he opened his door and she obviously flipped, never paying any attention to floor level she parked on or that brightly illuminated "1478" at his door making sure that red rug was impossible to not see. Easier to believe she was stoned than any of the accounts floating about, specifically; the first search warrant's story and then the different one on her arrest warrant.

And then there are other "official stories" like putting bags down going back to fight the door lock since she didn't believe the flashing red light...

Marijuana can increase paranoia in some people. That would actually fit her narrative of a "burglar" in "her" apt.

 

[Jax49]

He must have been absolutely terrified. Makes me sick and angry. moo

 

[mickey2942]

When was the Killer in any type of danger for her life? What was the "trigger" for use of lethal force in this particular situation?

1. She saw a man, in the dark, (?), in "her" apartment.
2. She yells at him to get down, he does not comply immediately.
3. She shoots him. And shoots at him again, as he is trying to get away.
4. She turns on the lights, and realizes that this is not her apartment. She calls 911, and looks at the door for the number.

In this scenario, I deliberately avoided the "How did she get in" debate. Personally, I think she may have had a passkey, as a security guard and that information has been withheld.

I also am giving her the benefit of doubt, but I believe she went to this apartment deliberately, for some reason...

With the scenario above, this is deliberate, it was not an "accident". And she did shoot twice. I am going with a murder charge, this was not Manslaughter 2, she didn't do an FBI dance move and kill someone by accident. This was deliberate. And she shot twice. If it was dark, as she states, she could not see if he had a gun.

 

[Michelle.M]

When was the Killer in any type of danger for her life? What was the "trigger" for use of lethal force in this particular situation?

1. She saw a man, in the dark, (?), in "her" apartment.
2. She yells at him to get down, he does not comply immediately.
3. She shoots him. And shoots at him again, as he is trying to get away.
4. She turns on the lights, and realizes that this is not her apartment. She calls 911, and looks at the door for the number.

In this scenario, I deliberately avoided the "How did she get in" debate. Personally, I think she may have had a passkey, as a security guard and that information has been withheld.

I also am giving her the benefit of doubt, but I believe she went to this apartment deliberately, for some reason...

With the scenario above, this is deliberate, it was not an "accident". And she did shoot twice. I am going with a murder charge, this was not Manslaughter 2, she didn't do an FBI dance move and kill someone by accident. This was deliberate. And she shot twice. If it was dark, as she states, she could not see if he had a gun.

He was in his underwear. Not too many places to have a gun if you are in your undies.

 

[Michelle.M]

Not sure if this was posted

“Hours earlier that evening, managers at the apartment complex had received complaints from residents that there was a strong smell of marijuana in the fourth-floor hallways. Managers knocked on Mr. Jean’s door and at least five other doors inquiring about the smell, the Jean family lawyers said. It was unclear who on the floor was responsible for the odor.”

A Dallas Police Officer Shot Her Neighbor, and a City Is Full of Questions

How fascinating. Marijuana baggie/baggies, marijuana smell, but no marijuana joints, roaches, or rolling papers.

Hmm.

 

[DisturbedConcerned]

Madam, I'm going to behave and not respond to that one!

Except, maybe he did and it really skeert her?

He was in his underwear. Not too many places to have a gun if you are in your undies.

 

[Jax49]

How fascinating. Marijuana baggie/baggies, marijuana smell, but no marijuana joints, roaches, or rolling papers.

Hmm.

If I was a cynic I'd say "Shush, be quiet or they'll miraculously appear."

Seriously though, what percentage of apartments in that complex would have a little weed in them? My guess would be pretty high. moo

ETA: Oops, no pun intended.

 

[mister happy]

The apartment complex probably has security cameras that may have captured her actions in the hallway trying to open the door. Has there been any mention of this in the media?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Allison Jean expressed disgust that on Thursday, as mourners at her son's funeral were remembering him for his religious convictions and kindness, the results of that search of his home were released.”
Botham Jean's mother slams 'character assassination' of her son by Dallas police over marijuana find | Daily Mail Online

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[DisturbedConcerned]

Yes on the most recent search warrants and I don't recall which specific video systems were named, pretty sure I read that on one of those 4 issued at the same day/time.

The apartment complex probably has security cameras that may have captured her actions in the hallway trying to open the door. Has there been any mention of this in the media?

 

[Gigglingtoes]

On twitter a neighbor has said the parking structure has cameras but he said not the building. Just someone who lives there.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Yes on the most recent search warrants and I don't recall which specific video systems were named, pretty sure I read that on one of those 4 issued at the same day/time.

Anyone here right now. Can you please upload some photos from a link for me please? I cannot do it from my phone for some reason.
Respectfully,
Thora Jay

 

[DatelineFan]

I have seen a lot of medical and nursing "errors" go "unseen", and undocumented as such. The one difference between a medical professional and a LEO, is often a nurse, goes through years of training, to get to a professional position. An LEO is often hired with a high school or even GED diploma. No classes, aside from POST, which, if you can do the physical, the rest is cake.

I have personally seen nurses lie and coverup. And I am sure you have too.

I am a retired Special Investigator for my state’s Board of Examiners for Physicians regulating oversight for licensure and discipline. It does not govern criminal law but stands as Administrative Law. I have seen it all. Everyone is human.

I am not yet caught up, but I think it's important to point out that there's a big difference between mistaking two pills and pulling out, then FIRING a gun at someone you claim you couldn't even see. Both can have lethal consequences, but one is much more intentional.

 

[mickey2942]

Agreed, the Killer is a completely different class. That was a response to people who are still giving the Killer a benefit of doubt.

My only "doubt", is if the Killer will get manslaughter charges or upgrade to murder. If the Killer gets anything less, my faith in the system will be hollowed out.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Agreed, the Killer is a completely different class. That was a response to people who are still giving the Killer a benefit of doubt.

My only "doubt", is if the Killer will get manslaughter charges or upgrade to murder. If the Killer gets anything less, my faith in the system will be hollowed out.

I gotta give it up to ya. The way you refer to her as Killer is exactly correct. No matter how the cookie crumbles.

 

[Jim G]

There is only one logical reason she pulled the trigger: self-defense. At trial, we will find out if that reason was warranted. For any other motive to be imputed, she would have had to have known who she was shooting at. And even the Lawyer says they didn't know each other.