TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[Rocco]

It does in the court of Public Opinion. If he's a bad egg ppl care less. Probably follow the case less. Disgusting

It wouldn't change my opinion. I can't think of another case where everyone was in agreement. I've read all the comments after the articles that have been posted and I haven't found one yet that states they can see why she shot and killed him. The only disagreement is whether or not she should be charged with murder or manslaughter.

 

[Isabelle]

Do we know when the grand jury will get this case?

 

[Thora_Jay]

Many landlords, especially ones that own large apartment complexes offer reduced or free rent for Law Enforcement Officers active or retired to provide security. I had asked this last days ago, was she moonlighting as security?
Due to the fact that there was a noise complaint in the morning by the apartment below Botham, did she take it upon herself to follow up on that complaint after she arrived to the complex that night?
Why else would she park on the 4th floor. Not buying the being tired excuse.

 

[Wagtales10]

I don’t disagree.
However, a new day has dawned, and the composition and power base of the citenzenry has changed. This type of murderous activity will no longer transpire with impunity.
The People will no longer permit this.

Amateur opinion, strong opinion, and speculation only.

I wish I can agree. While ideal, there is a LARGE portion of the country who will villains anyone like Botham due to a blind allegiance to Blue, regardless what statistics, facts, evidence says. <modsnipped off topic>

Like Betty Jo Shelby who got off scott free for straight up murder.

We need accountability and a willingness to work together rather than being on opposite ends.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Snip:
Protest leaders said they want the city to establish a civilian board to review police conduct and that it be given the power to subpoena.

"It must have teeth. It must have subpoena power. It must be able to hold these police officers accountable for what they do," said demonstrator Olinka Green. "Because if we were to do the same thing, you guarantee we'd be locked up tight."

Pepper balls, which usually contain the chemical in pepper spray, should only be used if there is an immediate threat to the public or if a commander at the scene calls for them to be used, Hall said. The projectiles irritate the nose and eyes. End Snip.
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[kaen]

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Character assasination of a dead man who lost his ability to guard his good name. This is shameful--- even if he had drugs, he did not deserve to lose his life.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[Jennifer17]

It wouldn't change my opinion. I can't think of another case where everyone was in agreement. I've read all the comments after the articles that have been posted and I haven't found one yet that states they can see why she shot and killed him. The only disagreement is whether or not she should be charged with murder or manslaughter.

Someone has said that on this very thread.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Snip:
Protest leaders said they want the city to establish a civilian board to review police conduct and that it be given the power to subpoena.

"It must have teeth. It must have subpoena power. It must be able to hold these police officers accountable for what they do," said demonstrator Olinka Green. "Because if we were to do the same thing, you guarantee we'd be locked up tight."

Pepper balls, which usually contain the chemical in pepper spray, should only be used if there is an immediate threat to the public or if a commander at the scene calls for them to be used, Hall said. The projectiles irritate the nose and eyes. End Snip.
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Hi Imstilla.grandma, do you have a link for the full video? I was watching the video and it ended while a woman was speaking. I would really like to hear the rest. Thank you!

 

[Rocco]

Someone has said that on this very thread.

I missed it. Was it you?

 

[Betty P]

Snip:
Protest leaders said they want the city to establish a civilian board to review police conduct and that it be given the power to subpoena.

"It must have teeth. It must have subpoena power. It must be able to hold these police officers accountable for what they do," said demonstrator Olinka Green. "Because if we were to do the same thing, you guarantee we'd be locked up tight."

Pepper balls, which usually contain the chemical in pepper spray, should only be used if there is an immediate threat to the public or if a commander at the scene calls for them to be used, Hall said. The projectiles irritate the nose and eyes. End Snip.
Protesters angered by fatal shooting of Harding grad bring halt to Dallas City Council meeting

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Oh, nice. Subpoena power would be fantastic, among other changes.

 

[tmar]

From the article:

“officer Amber Guyger said she inserted her key into the door, and it opened because it had been slightly ajar. “

I say bull! How did she fully insert here key in the door if it was ajar without it fully opening from the pressure? Try going to your front door, have it ajar and see if you can fully insert a key (even a card or whatever they use in the apartment building) You have to hold on to the door handle to do that without it opening all the way. Oh boy I hope I am explaining this right. Hopefully you will know what I mean.

I agree.
You cannot place your key, into a slightly ajared door: as you state just touching the door, it would swing open.

 

[Jax49]

Many landlords, especially ones that own large apartment complexes offer reduced or free rent for Law Enforcement Officers active or retired to provide security. I had asked this last days ago, was she moonlighting as security?
Due to the fact that there was a noise complaint in the morning by the apartment below Botham, did she take it upon herself to follow up on that complaint after she arrived to the complex that night?
Why else would she park on the 4th floor. Not buying the being tired excuse.

bbm

So confusing. She lived below him so who else could have complained?

ETA: Wouldn't he been at work during the day?

 

[Jim G]

Good question. We don't know. The kid had no history of problems and wasn't bothering anyone. He was 12 years old.[/
Please reread the case history, which contradicts everything you posted

 

[Sillybilly]

Sorry, still getting used to new system. To folks who mentioned race in their post, posts were removed but I inadvertently selected other posts at the same time and sent a notation that said "different case, off topic". Please disregard that reason. Your posts were actually removed due to racial discussion.

 

[Jim G]

I wonder how many armed robbers, drug dealers, rapists, child predators, and wife-beaters Amber arrested and safely removed from the streets in her police career. Dallas PD is always hiring.. If anyone is interested

 

[Thora_Jay]

WASCO expresses profound grief over the sudden death of the son of an employee


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WASCO expresses profound grief over the sudden death of the son of an employee

(PRESS RELEASE VIA SNO) – The management of the Water and Sewerage Company Inc WASCO is expressing deep sadness and shock over the sudden death of Botham Shem Jean and the circumstances surrounding his tragic and untimely death.

Botham Shem Jean was the first son of Mrs Allison Jean former Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Education, Innovation, Gender Relations and sustainable Development and Mr Bertram Jean, Stores Supervisor at WASCO. He was also the nephew of Mr Ignatius Jean, Chief Executive Officer of the Caribbean Water and Sewerage Association Inc. (CAWASA) and former government Minister and Parliamentarian.

 

[Wagtales10]

I wonder how many armed robbers, drug dealers, rapists, child predators, and wife-beaters Amber arrested and safely removed from the streets in her police career. Dallas PD is always hiring.. If anyone is interested

Or how many innocent people she put away

 

[Rocco]

I wonder how many armed robbers, drug dealers, rapists, child predators, and wife-beaters Amber arrested and safely removed from the streets in her police career. Dallas PD is always hiring.. If anyone is interested

No idea. I do know though that she's shot 2 people in 4 years and killed one of them.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Hi Imstilla.grandma, do you have a link for the full video? I was watching the video and it ended while a woman was speaking. I would really like to hear the rest. Thank you!

It cut off on me too. But it’s an exclusive by CBS. Maybe a teaser for the entire interview. I’ll keep watching.
Snip:
CBS NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Botham Jean's mother, Allison, tells
@OmarVillafranca that she wants the Dallas cop charged with manslaughter in last week's fatal shooting of her son - in his own apartment - to "just come clean, just surrender." Watch more on tonight's
#CBSEveningNews

Snip:We just sat down w/the family of #BothamJean.
It was a long/emotional talk. The exclusive interview will air tonight on
@CBSEveningNews w/@jeffglor End Snip.Video included.
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