TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[jjenny]

I can't remember where I saw it, but a resident took a video of the emergency response from what looked like a staircase.

Yep, it's posted on heavy.com. So I don't get the statement that you can only get to the fourth floor via the elevator.

 

[jjenny]

There is a new "spin" to the story. Not reported on MSM.

Apparently, the judge would not sign off on a Manslaughter charge, because he believed it was murder. The Dallas PD did not want to file that charge, and passed it to the Rangers. Apparently, they don't want to touch this mess, so it has not yet been assigned.

Completely believable series of events. Proverbial "Pass the Buck" syndrome. So common in government bureaucracy. CYA. And anyone associated with this needs to be of impeccable integrity, because testimony could be an issue at trial, if she doesn't accept a plea.

That sounds like a bunch of baloney.
First of all Texas rangers already interviewed her, from what has been reported, and are verifying this supposed information they got from her before they go for charges. Second of all, I don't believe for a second that a judge wouldn't sign off manslaughter because judge believed it to be murder. Charges can always be upgraded later.

 

[WichitaFalls]

The silence from DPD and Texas Rangers is deafening. Try as I may, I can't imagine what complication/rub has caused such a homicide to be cloaked in such mystery.
I have to believe the officer to have been drunk, how else could you explain a young healthy woman making the crazy mistake of not recognizing her own front door. Tons of people work 12 hours a day, nurses routinely do and that doesn't cause them to take complete leave of their senses. Someone posted early in the thread that LE has routine places to meet after shift to unwind and have drinks. Is this the missing piece of the story?
Having lived in Dallas for 50 years I can say our police department generally has the sympathy of the city and we don't see any elevated levels of corruption that can define lots of large city police forces. The one wild card with the DPD is our new Police Chief Reneé Hall. This is her first "test" of leadership that's being played out on national stage. I can't make sense of the pass off to Texas Rangers or her lack of visibility. It's not a good look in my opinion.
If there isn't some OMG fact or set of facts when we are finally given an account of that night, Chief Hall will have some explaining to do. What is being hidden from the public? I can hardly wait to hear WTH went on that night.

 

[Jax49]

DALLAS (AP) — The lawyer for the family of a man who was gunned down at his home by a Dallas police officer is calling for her to be arrested and charged, saying the fact that she remains free days after the shooting shows she's receiving favorable treatment.

S. Lee Merritt, who is representing the family of 26-year-old Botham Jean, said Saturday that the family isn't calling on the authorities to jump to conclusions or to deny Officer Amber Guyger her right to due process. But Merritt, flanked by members of the family and Mothers Against Police Brutality, said they want Guyger "to be treated like every other citizen, and where there is evidence that they've committed a crime, that there's a warrant to be issued and an arrest to be made."

Police Chief U. Renee Hall said the day after the shooting that her department was seeking manslaughter charges against Guyger. But she said Saturday that the TexasRangers, who have taken over the investigation, asked her department to hold off because they had learned new information and wanted to investigate further before a warrant was issued.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-who-killed-black-man-also-shot-a-man-in-2017

Thanks for linking. bbm

This stands out to me as what people are asking for, equal treatment.

But Merritt, flanked by members of the family and Mothers Against Police Brutality, said they want Guyger "to be treated like every other citizen, and where there is evidence that they've committed a crime, that there's a warrant to be issued and an arrest to be made."

 

[Gigglingtoes]

The doors all look the same, she could have been not paying attention to the mat. Just trying to get into what she believed was her apartment.

I would be interested to know how far before this incident occurred she was off work. I cannot comprehend being drunk enough to go into the wrong apartment and shoot someone. If that’s the case- girl needs some AA.

 

[jjenny]

The silence from DPD and Texas Rangers is deafening. Try as I may, I can't imagine what complication/rub has caused such a homicide to be cloaked in such mystery.
I have to believe the officer to have been drunk, how else could you explain a young healthy woman making the crazy mistake of not recognizing her own front door. Tons of people work 12 hours a day, nurses routinely do and that doesn't cause them to take complete leave of their senses. Someone posted early in the thread that LE has routine places to meet after shift to unwind and have drinks. Is this the missing piece of the story?
Having lived in Dallas for 50 years I can say our police department generally has the sympathy of the city and we don't see any elevated levels of corruption that can define lots of large city police forces. The one wild card with the DPD is our new Police Chief Reneé Hall. This is her first "test" of leadership that's being played out on national stage. I can't make sense of the pass off to Texas Rangers or her lack of visibility. It's not a good look in my opinion.
If there isn't some OMG fact or set of facts when we are finally given an account of that night, Chief Hall will have some explaining to do. What is being hidden from the public? I can hardly wait to hear WTH went on that night.

Promising imminent charges and then not bringing said charges isn't a good idea. Nothing should have even been said about the charges, because people were expecting her to be arrested based on what was said and it isn't happening.

 

[SuziQ]

The doors all look the same, she could have been not paying attention to the mat. Just trying to get into what she believed was her apartment.

i don't see how you can miss that bright red door mat. Or the flashing red lights on the lock. And not put two and two together. My family runs blue and I am dumbfounded at what happened. I want to wait for more info....But that mat is bright red!

 

[jjenny]

i don't see how you can miss that bright red door mat. Or the flashing red lights on the lock. And not put two and two together. My family runs blue and I am dumbfounded at what happened. I want to wait for more info....But that mat is bright red!

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

 

[Jax49]

There’s enough evidence to charge Dallas officer accused of killing man in his home, lawyer says

Dallas civil rights attorney Lee Merritt said that based on his conversations with officials, including Hall, there was enough evidence to arrest Guyger on suspicion of manslaughter. Merritt said he asked investigators with the Texas Ranger Division whether the postponement meant there was no probable cause to arrest Guyger.

“They said, 'Not necessarily,' and that they just wanted more evidence,” Merritt told The Washington Post.

The delay has frustrated Jean's grieving family members and raised questions about deferential treatment for police officers.

 

[SuziQ]

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

I would say because she is a cop she should have been paying attention on duty or not.

 

[jjenny]

I would say because she is a cop she should have been paying attention on duty or not.

People don't always do what they should, do they? Obviously she should have paid attention to what she was doing, especially before she shot an innocent man dead. I am not saying she was in the right, I am saying I understand how this could have occurred without some conspiracy theory like the ones circulating on social media.

 

[Jennifer17]

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

How many times would you try the key, look down at the mat before you realised that you had the wrong door?
And then to shoot before anything else.

 

[Gigglingtoes]

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

I think we hold law enforcement to a higher standard. The idea that
a) she was totally sober but just tired () and truly decided he was an intruder...then decided to shoot him instead of turn around and leave is one thing..
B) she was drunk and soooo drunk didn’t notice her key didn’t work, wrong floor and missed the mat.

Not someone I would trust as a police officer either way.

 

[flourish]

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

People go to the wrong door, sure. But it's the amount and type of additional visual cues, such as literal flashing red lights, which weren't noted and processed in the mind of someone whose very profession requires observational skills above the norm. Additionally, most people who end up at the wrong door don't then kill the person on the other side. Like pretty much everything in life, jjenny, this situation isn't "one thing," but the collective of facts. And the collective of facts leads right to a level of negligence (to put it mildly) which warrants immediate action in the form of an arrest.

 

[flourish]

People don't always do what they should, do they? Obviously she should have paid attention to what she was doing, especially before she shot an innocent man dead. I am not saying she was in the right, I am saying I understand how this could have occurred without some conspiracy theory like the ones circulating on social media.

There are often consequences to not doing what one should.

 

[jjenny]

How many times would you try the key, look down at the mat before you realised that you had the wrong door?
And then to shoot before anything else.

I don't go around armed. So if I went to the wrong door, this wouldn't have happened no matter how long it took me to figure out I was at the wrong door.

 

[Jennifer17]

Do people always pay attention to what they are doing? If that was the case, we'd likely have a lot less car crushes.
Her apartment is directly below his. Doors all looked the same. So I don't get why people refuse to believe this could have happened.

And if people are careless and cause a car crash, that kills someone, they are charged with manslaughter.

 

[jjenny]

There are often consequences to not doing what one should.

As there should be.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“We acknowledge that police officers have a dangerous job but that does not excuse infringing on the rights of private citizens in their own homes,” according to a statement released Sunday by the African American pastors group.
The coalition is a diverse group of churches in the Dallas area.
Local pastors association voicing ‘grave concerns’ over killing of unarmed black man

 

[jjenny]

And if people are careless and cause a car crash, that kills someone, they are charged with manslaughter.

When did I ever say she shouldn't be charged?