TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[flourish]

As there should be.

And should be here...

 

[jjenny]

People go to the wrong door, sure. But it's the amount and type of additional visual cues, such as literal flashing red lights, which weren't noted and processed in the mind of someone whose very profession requires observational skills above the norm. Additionally, most people who end up at the wrong door don't then kill the person on the other side. Like pretty much everything in life, jjenny, this situation isn't "one thing," but the collective of facts. And the collective of facts leads right to a level of negligence (to put it mildly) which warrants immediate action in the form of an arrest.

Again, my saying I understand how she could have believed it was her apartment doesn't mean I think she shouldn't be charged.

 

[Jax49]

Details of the 2017 shooting. bbm

On May 12, 2017, police were looking for a suspect when Guyger was one of two officers called to assist another officer. Suspect Uvaldo Perez got out of a car and became combative with Guyger and another officer, according to an affidavit filed in the case against Perez. A struggle began and Guyger fired her Taser at Perez, who then wrested away her Taser. Guyger pulled out her gun and fired, wounding Perez in the abdomen.

Guyger was not charged in the 2017 shooting.

The Dallas Police Officer Who Fatally Shot a Black Man Shot Someone Else in 2017

 

[jjenny]

And should be here...

Just to clarify, I am not one in charge of bringing charges against her.
You have to ask DPD and Texas Rangers as to why she hasn't been charged.

 

[mickey2942]

I would like to believe that law enforcement officers actually think before responding with deadly force. Process, reaction. When someone reacts before thinking, that is a problem.

Would I feel differently about this situation if she had just been a woman, same circumstances, and she was carrying a weapon? Actually yes. LEO have a higher standard because of their training. They are supposed to maintain control. And if she wasn't able to control her reaction, she had no business carrying a gun.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I don't think so, one of the residents is quoted they didn't even know that a cop lived in their building.

Thank you Jenny!
<*Mod Snip No Scanner Chatter Allowed*>
So if she was moonlighting or if she just pulled it out of the air and took it upon herself to act as building security, she is identified as the shooter being a security guard. There was no mention at all as her being a Police Officer even though she was on her way home from work in uniform.
There are many businesses that Love the fact that Law Enforcement Officers (also retired Officers) are their Security Officers.
So was she hired by the building when she negotiated her lease or did she just claim it on a whim when she called 911?
Here is a link below pertains to moonlighting.
Legal Eagle: Moonlighting & Civil Liability

 

[Rocco]

Thank you Jenny!
I asked the question for a reason. I am just wondering why dispatch stated “gunshot by security, security just shot a patient”. That was repeated several times. I have a paid scanner subscription that I have had for many years. Great thing about that is that you can go into the archives. I did that and heard what I posted in quotes.

*snipped by me*
So do you know what time this happened? Thanks.

 

[Jim G]

I believe this is a clear case of self defense. Otherwise why would the police officer have used her weapon? We all make honest mistakes, going into the wrong bathroom or entering the wrong classroom, or driving the wrong road...it's human nature. There must have been an altercation of some sort where the officer had to use her weapon. There is a sizable difference in their phyisiques. This would also explain why she has not been arrested and why the potential charges are so widely varied. This case reminds me of the college basketball coach who killed the Hungarian in New York because the Hungarian knocked on his car window thinking he was an Uber. Situation is same same. MOO

 

[Jennifer17]

Thank you Jenny!
<modsnipped scanner chatter>
So if she was moonlighting or if she just pulled it out of the air and took it upon herself to act as building security, she is identified as the shooter being a security guard. There was no mention at all as her being a Police Officer even though she was on her way home from work in uniform.
There are many businesses that Love the fact that Law Enforcement Officers (also retired Officers) are their Security Officers.
So was she hired by the building when she negotiated her lease or did she just claim it on a whim when she called 911?
Here is a link below pertains to moonlighting.
Legal Eagle: Moonlighting & Civil Liability

Why would he be called 'a patient'.

 

[Lilibet]

I’ve participated in quite a few threads in over 5 years on WS. There have been many times the investigation took much longer than any of us thought it should, when it was obvious who was at fault (and it was a civilian). Generally, when the investigation is finished and the arrest is made, we can see why it took time and we are glad it was thorough. The fact that it is a cop makes the situation more volatile and disturbing of course, but an investigation is an investigation and should not be rushed just to satisfy the frustrated public IMO.

Read the linked thread and you will understand why I don’t think a few days is too long to investigate and get it right in order to get a guilty verdict.

The short story: A drunk, speeding mother runs over her teenaged daughter and friend who are skateboarding, kills both, leaves the scene, hides her vehicle, asks her teenaged son to lie, returns to scene acting like she just heard about it. Gets fancy lawyers, won’t talk to LE, is finally arrested and charged with felonies TWO MONTHS later. Bails out and is free for two years and allowed to travel out of state for a birthday party. Community is outraged, and being “the Wild West,” she is very fortunate vigilante justice did not prevail. Finally, after two years, she pleads guilty to all charges, is jailed and will be sentenced Sept 18. Why this didn’t make the national news I will never know. But if it had gone to trial, the long investigation was necessary to ensure a guilty verdict.

Ca - Faith Tsarnas & Kiya Kitchen, Both 14, Die In Hit & Run, Fortuna, 12 July 2016

So let this investigation play out. Unfortunately, whatever the charges, they will not bring Botham back.

 

[cluciano63]

A man walked into my apartment one afternoon. He was visiting his daughter two doors down. She had similar patio furniture and he got confused. No one was hurt or killed. This is insane...defending her actions is insane, imo.

 

[Jim G]

I have immense respect for all police officers who daily put their lives on the line to protect us all, and that includes YOU!!!

 

[Jennifer17]

I believe this is a clear case of self defense. Otherwise why would the police officer have used her weapon? We all make honest mistakes, going into the wrong bathroom or entering the wrong classroom, or driving the wrong road...it's human nature. There must have been an altercation of some sort where the officer had to use her weapon. There is a sizable difference in their phyisiques. This would also explain why she has not been arrested and why the potential charges are so widely varied. This case reminds me of the college basketball coach who killed the Hungarian in New York because the Hungarian knocked on his car window thinking he was an Uber. Situation is same same. MOO

Next door neighbours said there were no words or altercation. From her or him.
How can it be self defence in someone else's home.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have immense respect for all police officers who daily put their lives on the line to protect us all, and that includes YOU!!!

Having respect for them has nothing to do with expecting them to have consequences when they behave inappropriately or rashly.

 

[Rocco]

I believe this is a clear case of self defense. Otherwise why would the police officer have used her weapon? We all make honest mistakes, going into the wrong bathroom or entering the wrong classroom, or driving the wrong road...it's human nature. There must have been an altercation of some sort where the officer had to use her weapon. There is a sizable difference in their phyisiques. This would also explain why she has not been arrested and why the potential charges are so widely varied. This case reminds me of the college basketball coach who killed the Hungarian in New York because the Hungarian knocked on his car window thinking he was an Uber. Situation is same same. MOO

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[Rocco]

Having respect for them has nothing to do with expecting them to have consequences when they behave inappropriately or rashly.

Or enter someone's home and kill an innocent homeowner by 'mistake'.

 

[Jax49]

Do you have a link?

I'm also awaiting that link with interest.

 

[Isabelle]

Would like info: how long did Amber Guyger live at that complex? What apartment did she live in and where is the apartment in relation to Mr. Jean’s apartment? Does the same key open every door in the complex? Did Amber Guyger shoot Mr. Jean when he opened the door or was she able to open the door and enter the apartment before encountering him? So many questions. Murder, yes!!!

 

[flourish]

At the vigil Saturday, hundreds gathered to remember Jean, a man who one person said had “a captivating smile.” Known for his amazing voice, they honored him with the stirring gospel songs that he sang so well.

Emory Tease, an elderly in the church, said he could not fathom not hearing Jean’s voice again.

“What’s wrong with our society,” he told the crowd. “Can’t we all just get along?”

Tragic encounter between Botham Jean and Dallas officer Amber Guyger: What we know

 

[jjenny]

From what has been reported, she lived there for 1 month. Her apartment is on the third floor directly below his. They same key does not open every door in the complex-that would be absurd. She wouldn't have been able to open his apartment door.