TX - Botham Shem Jean, 26, killed when police officer entered wrong apartment, Dallas, Sept 2018

[CARIIS]

It isn’t her apt, and she is giving him order to put up his hands etc....good grief. This all makes me sick. And scared, living in a building with police...

ugh

i had one living below me raging homophobe (overt ) heard him slamming stuff around saw him treating his wife like ####

he was nasty to his dog demanded the puppy listen instantly control freak

who ya gonna call ghostbusters was the only option

and they did not show up !!

when pulse happened I thought i heard him on the body cam )not sure tho



it was mind boggling he was young Up to that experience I had thought they had some sensitivity training

a total hick

only one experience but man it was an eye opener

giant red pick up with antlers yes antlers sticking out from the front bumper on each side

scary stuff cause of his age

I know only one experience guys but man it was awful

 

[CARIIS]

She also forgot where the hell she parked. How could she forget that she parked on the 4th floor parking when she knew upon driving onto that parking garage floor that she would have to go down 1 flight in the elevator.
Forgive me if I am ignorant on this, but my son lived in an apartment building that had a parking garage a few floors. You park on the floor you live on and go through a secure door that leads to the apartment hallway where all the apartments are on that floor. You do not get in an elevator unless you have to go to an upper or lower floor to get to your apartment. (Or unless you come in off the street in the main entrance not the garage) So how did she end up getting on an elevator on the 4th floor that is on the forth floor? What was she doing in the damn elevator unless she knew she had to go a floor down and then all of a sudden have amnesia and not take the elevator down a floor and just step back out of the elevator still on the forth floor? I am confused about this whole murder.

this was why i was wondering about when her shift was over and when she got back to the building

was their a little cocktail hour or two on the way home??

sinus meds

I suppose fatigue can be here as well

 

[cybervampira]

"It's still unclear how far Jean was from Guyger at the time of the shooting. According to the initial DPD search warrant, Jean "confronted the officer at the door." However the arrest warrant from the Texas Rangers said Guyger saw a large silhouette she believed to be an intruder "across the room in her apartment.""

Attorneys for Botham Jean: Arrest warrant trying to 'condone' shooting, Guyger's actions

The initial DPD search warrant seems to corroborate the DPD source‘s account.

Why would search and arrest warrants have conflicting information, unless she changed the story?

 

[jjenny]

The initial DPD search warrant seems to corroborate the DPD source‘s account.

Why would search and arrest warrants have conflicting information, unless she changed the story?

They haven't interviewed her, though, as far as we have been told. Maybe that's what they believed at the time for whatever reason. I hope they did collect forensic evidence because that is going to be different between these two stories.

 

[mickey2942]

Why would someone shoot, if they can't see? If it was dark, she couldn't tell if he had a weapon. How could she feel so threatened that lethal force was the only option?

We are hanging out tonight, watching tv, I wonder if the kids should be fitted for bullet proof vests, so that if a crazy woman comes in our house, screaming with guns blazing, they will be safe.

Seriously. This is beyond crazy.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Why would someone shoot, if they can't see? If it was dark, she couldn't tell if he had a weapon. How could she feel so threatened that lethal force was the only option?

We are hanging out tonight, watching tv, I wonder if the kids should be fitted for bullet proof vests, so that if a crazy woman comes in our house, screaming with guns blazing, they will be safe.

Seriously. This is beyond crazy.

Yes, it certainly is. Either she
A) Was altered by drink or drug or medication
B) Is nuts
C) Should never have been issued a taser or gun
D) All of the above

This beautiful man's family had better get full reparation for this reckless crime.

*Amateur opinion and speculation only*

 

[TinaG]

I don't believe the door was ajar when he retired for the evening, I just tried it, huge light coming in the crack from the lit up breezeway and lights were even brighter in his hallway.

 

[mickey2942]

How much money is your son worth? Just writing that sentence is heart wrenching. It wouldn't matter. A piece of that family's heart is gone.

And yet, is the Dallas PD responsible for what officers do off duty?

 

[blue22]

To me he is saying that there is something fishy going on.

He's a good reporter. Super respected locally. He has good sources and ethics. If he feels something fishy is going on, I'd believe that there is.

I hope someone actually gets to the bottom of it.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I don't believe the door was ajar when he retired for the evening, I just tried it, huge light coming in the crack from the lit up breezeway and lights were even brighter in his hallway.

Thank you TinaG for testing it out!

 

[RickshawFan]

According to the affidavit "Guyger drew her handgun, gave verbal commands that were ignored and fired her weapon twice, striking 26-year-old Botham Jean once in the torso."
***

What right has she to give "verbal commands"? What obligation did he have to respond? None to both answers.
So she kills him?
Arrogant so and so. Who the heck does she think she is that off-duty she can give "verbal commands" and expect them to be obeyed instantly? Are other cops like this? What the heck? Not to mention in a person's own home, when he's relaxing and doing whatever else one does in his own home...

 

[MsFacetious]

Dallas Officer Who Killed Man in His Own Home Says He Ignored Her Commands

This headline makes my head explode.
HE DIDN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO HER COMMANDS.

He was IN HIS HOME.
She was an INTRUDER.

He probably didn't even have time to process that this was actually happening.
I would have wondered if I was dreaming and it would have taken a few minutes to determine if I was hallucinating. By that time I would have been dead already.

The least she could have done is double check that it was her apartment when she saw someone inside.
You know, JUST IN CASE she could possibly ever make a mistake.

"It's still unclear how far Jean was from Guyger at the time of the shooting. According to the initial DPD search warrant, Jean "confronted the officer at the door." However the arrest warrant from the Texas Rangers said Guyger saw a large silhouette she believed to be an intruder "across the room in her apartment.""

Attorneys for Botham Jean: Arrest warrant trying to 'condone' shooting, Guyger's actions

I really wish they'd stop saying that. IT WASN'T HER APARTMENT.

She BELIEVED he was an intruder and she BELIEVED it was her apartment.
Her believing those things don't make them true.

If I meet a guy tomorrow and I BELIEVE he's 19 and he gets me pregnant and I find out he's 16, my BELIEF doesn't absolve me of responsibility.

Ignorance is not a defense to underage sex, or theft, or many other crimes and I do not understand why it would be when a man is dead.

 

[CARIIS]

Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson promised to leave no stone unturned and fully investigate the case of an off-duty Dallas police officer who shot and killed her neighbor in his own apartment.

Johnson said she met with the Texas Rangers for two hours Sunday before the agency issued an arrest warrant for Officer Amber Guyger. Although the officer was charged with manslaughter, the DA reminded people that the grand jury will have final say over what charges she will face.

“The grand jury will decide if the charges should be different,” she said during a news conference Monday morning. “Believe me, we will make sure justice is done in this case.”

she assured that her office will conduct a thorough investigation in parallel to the Texas Rangers’ investigation.

“We’re going to get our ducks in a row and will have a full picture of what happened,” she said.

Dallas County DA promises to fully investigate off-duty cop who shot neighbor dead

my sense is tox report will not released (unless it is clean) because of course it is under investigation

once the story dies it might come out and be on page 424 somewhere

 

[cybervampira]

I don't believe the door was ajar when he retired for the evening, I just tried it, huge light coming in the crack from the lit up breezeway and lights were even brighter in his hallway.

Right. But even if there was no light, which single person without guard dogs would leave the door ajar at night in a multi-story building? We are talking about Dallas, not Colleyville!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Family disputes official account of the moments before Amber Guyger shot Botham Jean | Dallas Police | Dallas News

 

[RickshawFan]

Apologies if already posted. Perhaps this was the new evidence mentioned in last night's press conference?

Via a WFAA reporter on Twitter:


"
***JUST IN***

@MeritLaw says at least two witnesses heard a series of knocking at Botham Jean’s apartment and a woman’s voice saying ‘let me in’ repeatedly.

Says this contradicts police narrative about Guyger entering Jean’s apartment because door was left opened. @wfaa"

Why was she yelling "Let me in" if she thought it was her own apartment? Presumably, no one else lived in her apartment.
If she thought she heard someone in there, she'd be calling 911 unless there was a backstory.

 

[RickshawFan]

Matt Howerton on Twitter

@MeritLaw says a key witness heard Botham Jean utter ‘oh my god, why did you do this?’ after shooting.

This might be a slightly mangled reference to the bible and the crucifixion.

 

[TinaG]

Right. But even if there was no light, which single person without guard dogs would leave the door ajar at night in a multi-story building? We are talking about Dallas, not Colleyville!

Exactly!

 

[CARIIS]

I wonder if they paid her bail and are also going to pay her attorney fees, even though she wasn't on duty.

probability quietly

she was out on bail in 90 minutes

 

[CARIIS]

I totally agree. We should also hear about her apologizing to him directly if that's the case. If the man was able to talk for any length of time it's going to be unbelievably heart breaking. I hope it isn't true.



She was shot in the abdomen right? I'm wondering about with a chest wound. It's possible that was instantaneous and that's what I had been hoping, that he died instantly.




Absolutely it happens, depends on the location, timing and severity of the injury. The ME should be able to determine if it would have been possible.

but this too

wont be released