TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #3

[MachinaCollecta]

Stmarysmead: YES. I've been mulling this thing over and I've never been convinced that it was a StarWars fan. However, from what I can see in the video, it does look like someone tried to look like Princess L. -whatever her name is. (Not a SW fan here.) Now I CAN see someone who hated Liz dressing like PL, sort of, in an offhand, limited-effort way, as a way to mock her. If so, that would tell me that a woman is behind it, although I've always thought of the killer as a man. Hmmm.

The Arrin Stoner video gives a good amount of weight to the theory that the person who pulled the trigger is a male, based on voice analysis. It’s speculative of course because the audio isn’t good quality. The video also theorises that there may be an accomplice, and in that regard it’s open to all sorts of speculation about the motivation, either from a male or female, or both.

 

[arielilane]

Timeline at Timeline shows at "approximately 2:00 am black Nissan is seen on neighborhood cameras driving by Liz's house." IMO, video shows one person in vehicle only. Was the 2 am person heading over to visit another person that lives in the same neighborhood as Liz to discuss the murder plan? Where did that person go after the 2 am drive by? In viewing horrific murder video it appears that there are two killers involved. Anyone notice condensation on the Nissan truck? Were Barraza and other neighbors cameras checked weeks prior to the murder of Liz? All IMO.

 

[arielilane]

My understanding is that Nissan trucks are not common in the state of Texas. Typical trucks are Chevy and Ford. Additionally, Nissan trucks depending on the year were known to have transmission issues. I've searched Nissan forums to learn more, and I wondered if the vehicle really was a Frontier ... maybe it was a Titan? I want the Killers caught, I know that much!

 

[Lonicera]

In this case, what does the victimology tell us?
I have a lot of suspicions about someone very close to Liz. Unfortunately, very often the same patterns are at work in this kind of murder.
I hope the truth will come out.

 

[MntnHiker]

I keep going back to the fact that this was not a routine day for Liz. She was holding the garage sale that morning which is not part of her usual routine. I have gone back and forth with myself on whether or not I think the killer knew about the sale ahead of time. Being that he appeared to be wearing a disguise and IMO I agree with the Arrin Stoner analysis that he also had a mask, I don't think it's out of the question that he had no idea she was having a sale that morning and planned to just wear the mask and disguise in front of the Ring camera. If he did remove the mask when he approached Liz in the driveway (and I believe he did from what I see in the video), it could be he took it off because he no longer would have to be on camera.

HOWEVER, if he did know she was having a sale and specifically decided to act on that day because of it, this had to have been a pretty last-minute plan, right? I thought I read it was a last minute decision to have this sale that day. Which makes me think this person had to be somewhat local, as if they flew in or drove in from a far distance, it would make it hard to plan and act so last minute. It must have been someone who Liz either told first hand about the sale or they knew someone she told firsthand and heard it from them secondhand. Either way, I don't think there's anyway to know who all exactly Liz told about the sale because she is sadly no longer here. She may not have told her husband every single person she told about the sale. And I don't mean that in a secretive way. Just that I would not find it of much importance to tell my husband, "hey I told so and so we're having a garage sale."

 

[MachinaCollecta]

In this case, what does the victimology tell us?
I have a lot of suspicions about someone very close to Liz. Unfortunately, very often the same patterns are at work in this kind of murder.
I hope the truth will come out.

I’ve tried not to have a definitive view of anyone’s suspicion in my head with this case, but it’s certainly an extremely well planned murder. There’s a lot of things that had to be done with a degree of precision and knowledge to pull it off the way the killer did, and then to presumably be unidentified all this time as well.

 

[vls12345]

Rather than planning/precision, could the "success" of this murder and murderer not being caught yet be down to pure, dumb luck?

For instance, maybe the killer did turn the truck around for easy egress but maybe didn't think about cameras, etc. From the video, it looks like a car (EB's?) was already parked in front of her house. In front of that, there is another driveway. So maybe the killer parked where they did because it was a logical place to park where it wasn't too close to other cars or blocking someone else's driveway.

I am not convinced it was a master planner but instead think it was someone who got lucky.

MOO.

 

[ilovewings]

I just saw this thread and googled this case. I was astonished that the killer walked right up to her and shot her several times: That tells me and most likely everybody else, that was a targeted hit. Whoever did this had a huge amount of hate and rage-- I know nothing else about this case but hope and pray this monster is found soon. It is truly horrible.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

I just saw this thread and googled this case. I was astonished that the killer walked right up to her and shot her several times: That tells me and most likely everybody else, that was a targeted hit. Whoever did this had a huge amount of hate and rage-- I know nothing else about this case but hope and pray this monster is found soon. It is truly horrible.

If you get a chance, look up the Arrin Stoner video on this case on YouTube. It’s an hour long so it’s quite in depth and it can’t be considered factual (other than the officially known facts revealed to the public on this case), but it really breaks it all down and provides some interesting theories and analysis on what may have happened.

 

[MachinaCollecta]

Rather than planning/precision, could the "success" of this murder and murderer not being caught yet be down to pure, dumb luck?

For instance, maybe the killer did turn the truck around for easy egress but maybe didn't think about cameras, etc. From the video, it looks like a car (EB's?) was already parked in front of her house. In front of that, there is another driveway. So maybe the killer parked where they did because it was a logical place to park where it wasn't too close to other cars or blocking someone else's driveway.

I am not convinced it was a master planner but instead think it was someone who got lucky.

MOO.

The sad thing about this case is that we simply don’t know whether it was a master planner or just dumb luck. What we’ve seen tells us that there’s a strong possibility that it was planned, but we just don’t have enough since it happened to be sure either way.

If the killer did luck out, they got very, very lucky indeed to have only low quality audio and video of the crime being committed, and they also positioned themself in a way that prevents them being seen on EB’s Ring door camera. I lean heavily towards it being planned and executed, but looking for a break in the case means I’d seriously expect for anything to be a possibility at this point.

 

[stmarysmead]

We have a mix of facts, rumors and speculation about this case that make it quite unusual….the impromptu garage sale, the ‘disguise’, maybe a note, maybe a second person in the car…but lets strip it all down for a moment…a seemingly very sweet, normal woman was gunned down in the driveway of her home.

So my question is this…what were the normal routines at that house on the average day? If the killer had no inowledge of the garage sale, then what was the usual morning plan he expected to encounter?

I assume…please correct if other facts have bern released…that S ususally left first, being a contractor…while Liz had an office job that would start later at the same time every day? But is that true…or did Sergio leave at different times depending on where his job was scheduled for the day? If he did, then if the killer wanted Liz alone…he either needed very soecific info about Sergio’s plan on that SPECIFIC day…or a way to watch and wait for him to leave.

What time did Liz usually leave? Because the killer would need to act before the school bus run might draw people outside. And not on garbage day when neighbors might be pulling out cans to the curb. So the killer would need to have that specific information too, because, if this wasn’t planned around the garage sale…he still would most likely be shooting a woman dead in the doorway of her home. So the killer needs to know about school bus and garbage pickup for that neighborhood.

The killer would not want to be delayed behind a loading school bus after the killing. So, after Sergio leaves…but before normal daily routine in the neighborhood begins.

There certainly is a lot of precise information gathering from informed sources necessary to pull this off, in my opinion. And a very short window of time on a regular work day. The garage sake just made it easier…because she was outside,away from the doorbell camera.

About the possibility of the mask. If the killer was indeed wearing a mask, then my guess is that the plan was to go to the door..in view of the doorbell camera…and shoot her there…so he REALLY needed a mask.

But I just don’t think a mask would have bern planned for the garage sale attack…because it might have spooked Liz to head inside as she watched this masked figure approach her, alone, still in the dark of the morning. Also, the killer wouldn’t need it because he would be out of view of the doorbell camera.

All just my opinions and musings this morning.

 

[MntnHiker]

I guess it's also possible the killer didn't know for 100% certainty that Liz had a doorbell cam but planned as if she did. It is pretty common nowadays for people to have doorbell cams - so either her or someone near her would most likely have one (and they did). However if he did have a mask and if he did remove it as he approached her, he would have had to be pretty certain they didn't have other surveillance cameras on their property that would pick up this interaction in the driveway MOO

 

[arielilane]

IMO, murders occur through essentially three (3) scenarios: greed, sex, or revenge.


#CaptureACoward

 

[arielilane]

Who benefited from the murder?
Was there someone else involved?
Was someone rejected?
Who was angry?
Were Liz's friends and coworkers ever questioned?
IMO, as always.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

If the perp was unaware of the garage sale, what would be the point for putting a mask ? Liz probably wouldn’t open the door to a masked man seeing him on the doorbell cam.. I strongly believe the perp did know the garage sale and all his timing and movements seem well thought and calculated .

 

[arielilane]

We have a mix of facts, rumors and speculation about this case that make it quite unusual….the impromptu garage sale, the ‘disguise’, maybe a note, maybe a second person in the car…but lets strip it all down for a moment…a seemingly very sweet, normal woman was gunned down in the driveway of her home.

So my question is this…what were the normal routines at that house on the average day? If the killer had no inowledge of the garage sale, then what was the usual morning plan he expected to encounter?

I assume…please correct if other facts have bern released…that S ususally left first, being a contractor…while Liz had an office job that would start later at the same time every day? But is that true…or did Sergio leave at different times depending on where his job was scheduled for the day? If he did, then if the killer wanted Liz alone…he either needed very soecific info about Sergio’s plan on that SPECIFIC day…or a way to watch and wait for him to leave.

What time did Liz usually leave? Because the killer would need to act before the school bus run might draw people outside. And not on garbage day when neighbors might be pulling out cans to the curb. So the killer would need to have that specific information too, because, if this wasn’t planned around the garage sale…he still would most likely be shooting a woman dead in the doorway of her home. So the killer needs to know about school bus and garbage pickup for that neighborhood.

The killer would not want to be delayed behind a loading school bus after the killing. So, after Sergio leaves…but before normal daily routine in the neighborhood begins.

There certainly is a lot of precise information gathering from informed sources necessary to pull this off, in my opinion. And a very short window of time on a regular work day. The garage sake just made it easier…because she was outside,away from the doorbell camera.

About the possibility of the mask. If the killer was indeed wearing a mask, then my guess is that the plan was to go to the door..in view of the doorbell camera…and shoot her there…so he REALLY needed a mask.

But I just don’t think a mask would have bern planned for the garage sale attack…because it might have spooked Liz to head inside as she watched this masked figure approach her, alone, still in the dark of the morning. Also, the killer wouldn’t need it because he would be out of view of the doorbell camera.

All just my opinions and musings this morning.

Hello, SMM, A lot of good questions that possibly can be answered at Links to Press and Media. This site was created by Liz's parents. <modsnip>

 

[arielilane]

Profiling a Murderer

How to paint a portrait of the most likely perpetrator.

www.psychologytoday.com

The basic tenet of profiling is that behavior reflects personality. With that in mind, there are three questions that a profiler has to ask when faced with a case. They are:

1. What evidence is present at the scene?
2. What was the motive?
3. Who is the suspect?

Though these questions seem simple, if you start to go through them, you will find many elements of forensic science, psychology, sociology, and criminal justice.

 

[Curiousobserver]

If the perp was unaware of the garage sale, what would be the point for putting a mask ? Liz probably wouldn’t open the door to a masked man seeing him on the doorbell cam.. I strongly believe the perp did know the garage sale and all his timing and movements seem well thought and calculated .

What is the point of a mask if you drive around the neighborhood and past the house several times over the course of 12 hours, including just after the murder! (when the gunshots are likely to have drawn everyone's attention).

This person or persons took no precaution to conceal their truck- they drove down a busy street past multiple cameras and into a neighborhood with even more cameras and were captured multiple times.

My friends and connections would know my car immediately if it showed up on the surveillance video at a murder scene and yet this person had no fear of that.

This person must have only an indirect connection to Liz and judging by the need to do pre-scouting the night before, is not from nearby.

 

[dgfred]

I wonder if it was a rental... too hard maybe to check all rentals everywhere. I don't know. So frustrating this case.

 

[somequestions]

I have not posted about this case before so I might be putting forth information that is already known. I have not read much of the threads about this case. Here is what I have gathered through observation:

1. I listened closely to the Nest doorbell cam video released by police and the police are correct that Elizabeth Barraza says, "Good Morning" to the murderer. I have her saying it at 1:13 into the Nest cam video.

2. Going backwards from 1:13 to when the first shots rang out, I counted 19 seconds. This is the total interaction time between Elizabeth Barraza and the murderer.

3. Elizabeth Barraza saw the truck pulling up and parking in the street next to the driveway. Doing a little more deduction in terms of time, the "Good Morning" would have occurred almost exactly as the murderer got out of the truck or was coming around the truck to approach Elizabeth Barraza. She saw the murderer approach her.


In my opinion, it looks like the murderer is right-handed and possibly showed Elizabeth Barraza something before shooting her. The only thing I can think of that would be able to convey information that quickly would be a picture.

It looks like the murderer is a woman. Looking at a profile of the murderer during the video, it looks like this person has a developed upper chest that makes it hard to believe this is a man posing as a woman. But the video is very grainy.

Whoever this person is, they were not afraid of using a gun. If you listen to the Nest doorbell cam video released by the police, you will understand why three of her neighbors called the police almost immediately after the shots rang out. The gun shots are very loud.

Where was the Barraza's dog at the time of the shooting? Dogs can sometimes become very frightened by gunshots. I can imagine that witness statements from people who had dogs in the area where probably full of how frightened their animals were when the gunshots went off.

It looks like a murder by a careless person who did not seem to take a lot of precautions. But yet it remains unsolved.