TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #3

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  • #841
So I don’t know if they misspoke but the detective said the life insurance was $500k with the double indemnity for murder. When Paula said it she said $250k doubled to $500k. Oh and Sergio told detectives the life insurance policy was insignificant and much smaller than it was.
Snipped by me.

This is how misinformation gets spread, and it's quite alarming. Below is the direct quote from Detective Michael Ritchie on Paul Zahn's show, which is VERY different then what stated.

Detective Michael Ritchie: "So, when I was interviewing Sergio, I was like, 'does she have any life insurance?' And he said, 'yes', she had it through her company. He didn't think it was that much."
 
  • #842
MOO - the lack of the Nuelle family sharing photos w/ SB and their lack of defending him, at least publicly, tells me all I need to know about their stance on the case. IMHO.
IMO, watching the crime stopper videos on YouTube is an interesting factor too. Watch as many as possible and not only the Nuelle family but others as well. I watched many times. But, then I think about Liz every day, several times a day. I'm devastated over how she was murdered, that someone would murder her like that, and feel sadness for her parents, brother and all her loved ones.

Edited to add: That certain person also is very passive about how Liz died. He uses the term she passed away." Liz was murdered. killed. executed. shot at four times... at close range... I could go on... Liz did not just "pass away."
 
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  • #843
MOO - the lack of the Nuelle family sharing photos w/ SB and their lack of defending him, at least publicly, tells me all I need to know about their stance on the case. IMHO.
Have you by chance listened to some of Bob Nuelle's comments/thoughts on the murder? I can't see how someone could interpret what B. Nuelle's has said publicly as him thinking SB was involved with his daughter's murder.

The Nuelle family photos? Even with SB remarrying in late 2021, the main page of the Nuelle's site has photos of only three people....those being SB, Liz and Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca). That's quite strong right there. That pic is also on the photos page, a page that also has a pic of SB for a linked video. If it were my site, I'd be hesitant to show many more pics of SB out of respect to his current wife....so not having the photos page littered with pics of SB seems pretty logical to me. The fact that they are there at all is quite signifcant IMO. I don't have any idea why the parents of Liz would have any pictures of someone on their website that they thought murdered their daughter. It certainly looks like the Nuelle's support SB to me.


 
  • #844
But it’s not like it was a $25k policy. It was either $500k or $1m, they said both in the show. Most people know at least roughly the policy amount. Is the policy enough to cover a funeral? To pay off the mortgage?

The recommendation is to have 10 times your income in life insurance if you have a spouse or children who depend on your income.

It would be interesting to know exactly what SB told detectives the policy was worth.
I just rewatched the part of the P Zahn segment that covered the life insurance, and they certainly could have been more clear on the payout. But they did NOT mention a $1 million payout, and Paula Z's last comment summarizing the matter was that the payout was $500k (due to the double indemnity clause).

As for a $25k policy? Several posters seem to have little idea what types of coverage amounts you normally see for middle class families. While the life insurance coverage amounts cost more now compared to when Liz's policy would have been taken out, here is some info recent info from NerdWallet and Forbes (with the links below): NerdWallet's Oct 31, 2022 piece quotes the average policy (coverage) amount in 2022 as 500,000. Forbes November 2022 piece shows several sets of coverage by age, with the tier levels for all ages being: $250k, $500k, and $1 mil.



The house that SB and Liz has a current market value estimate of over $300k. The house I live in has a current market value of under $200k....and I have over $200k in life insurance coverage. Liz's life insurance coverage amounts of $250k, with the possibility of a $500k are far from unusual amounts.
 
  • #845
Mr. Nuelle may not have publicly said anything condemning SB and is certainly not pointing fingers at him publicly. Which I never said. The Nuelle family is for sure handling the tragedy with grace. I am not referring to the main page of the Nuelle's site about Liz, rather other platforms run by the Nuelles. And there is IMO no two ways about it - SB and EB were together for a long time, they were husband & wife, and if he is innocent, IMO, he is grieving and should be seeking justice for her. It is of no disrespect to his current wife to publicize pictures of him and Liz together and I am not really understanding that implication? I have no suspicions of current wife, BTW, and I don't think she would be troubled by photos of SB and EB together on a website run by her family, dedicated to solving and raising awareness of her brutal execution...IMO.

With no concrete evidence I believe they only have their own feelings, thoughts, and suspicions about what happened to Liz. IMO, there is no smoking gun in this case. We all may have our own theories (I sure do), but they can't definitively back up any feelings or assertions because if they could, he would be in jail now.

I have seen the photo gallery on the Nuelle's site, and I find it very telling that the only wedding photographs shown, are with her mom & dad, rather than her husband. It seems "logical" to put up photos of the happy couple together, on their wedding day, rather than Liz with her parents only. The photo with Peter Mayhew is unsurprising as Liz loved Star Wars and I'm sure that was a very happy moment in her life that they wanted to showcase regardless of who accompanied her at the time. Also she was a noted and proud volunteer of the peter Mayhew Foundation, which it appears was very important to her...

The Nuelles have not made any comments that directly support or condemn SB in my opinion, and again, in my opinion, this is incredibly telling. I have a million other thoughts about the "I think my dad may have done it" thing that I won't post unless someone asks me to and then heavily edited.
The Nuelle's have one major website they created dedicated to their late daughter...and they have SB in a picture with Liz on the front page of that website. Ummm...if that doesn't work in SB's favor, then there is no point in debating any further.
 
  • #846
Where can one watch the Paula Zahn show for free? YouTube?
 
  • #847
Where can one watch the Paula Zahn show for free? YouTube?
Check out PZ's FB page.

You may be able to see bits and pieces of the show. And, I did see a clip of her interviewing SB on there when I looked just now.

Good luck.
 
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Any happy family or other pics with SB's dad?
 
  • #851
Did you read the article? The killer transposed the two addresses and went to the wrong house.
There's a thought. Wrote the number down wrong. I know sometimes when I try to get a cab they misunderstand my street name as there is another street about 3-4 miles away in the same zip code that sounds the same but is spelled differently. I've had a cab show up at my house when they needed to go to the other address. Conversely, I've been waiting for a cab and have the dispatcher tell me the cab is in my driveway and no one is coming out. They were at the other address. Mistaken identity? I don't believe it is likely, but certainly possible especially if this is committed by a third party. Such an error would send LE down a dead end if they were trying to find a motive.
 
  • #852
There's a thought. Wrote the number down wrong. I know sometimes when I try to get a cab they misunderstand my street name as there is another street about 3-4 miles away in the same zip code that sounds the same but is spelled differently. I've had a cab show up at my house when they needed to go to the other address. Conversely, I've been waiting for a cab and have the dispatcher tell me the cab is in my driveway and no one is coming out. They were at the other address. Mistaken identity? I don't believe it is likely, but certainly possible especially if this is committed by a third party. Such an error would send LE down a dead end if they were trying to find a motive.
I lean against this because the killer appears to have been dressed up in a Star Wars-type robe which while yes, it is a popular franchise, it seems to have been specific to Liz. JMO
 
  • #853
The more and more I rewind the details of this shocking murder, the more I come back to mistaken identity being the reason. There was no doubt that there was a sense of urgency to her murder on the part of the assassins(s) that was both personal and brutal. This was no previous road rage incident or jilted cosplay member. That being said, if LB had indeed crossed someone dangerous in a type of situation that would had escalated to such an awful action there is no doubt that her husband or friends around her would have known something. Something.

Almost 30 years ago in Tulsa there were two brothers who were both brutally murdered in their home while their parents were out Christmas shopping. The killer(s) lit candles and turned on the gas stove to hide evidence when they left but the parents arrived home just in time. For years no one had a clue who would want to murder these two brothers: no known enemies, honest solid family and the police and media turned every stone, and still was a completely senseless murder. But was intentional.

Then the break: Tulsa Police: Unsolved Double Murder A Case Of Mistaken Identity
This is an interesting concept. I'm not sure it fits so much in Liz's case, but it does happen. A family friend of ours (elderly) was at a neighbor's home watching TV with her husband on Christmas Eve this last year. She became tired and went home, leaving her husband to continue watching TV. So, she was spared. Her husband died of gunshot wounds, as shortly after she left a car pulled up outside the neighbor's house and sprayed it with bullets, killing her husband and wounding the neighbors.

These are elderly folks who had no enemies. LE thought it likely a case of mistaken identity, and the killings were drug related. They simply drove up to the wrong address.
 
  • #854
I am not at all trying to exonerate SB, but I am honestly surprised at how many people (including Tomball law enforcement) interpret SB’s incorrect estimate of the value of EB’s life insurance policy (which could have been given in response to a question he was asked while still in shock over the murder) as deliberately deceptive.

Maybe you all are just way more responsible people than I am, because while I know I am the beneficiary on my partner’s life insurance, could I tell you with 100% confidence the precise value of that policy? Nope, it is not a number that I’ve committed to memory, mostly because a) money/finances aren’t my forte, and b) I really don’t want to think of the day when I might receive it. However, could I tell you where the relevant paperwork pertaining to that matter is kept? Absolutely.

All this to say, I just don’t see SB’s poor guesstimate as suspicious—I would be inclined to think perhaps the error was because he was either not thinking clearly when asked OR because he was less involved in the household’s finances than EB (who was the high earner in the marriage, I believe).
I agree with this, not just because he might not have been thinking clearly, but also because these are young people. They don't expect to die. Honestly, I didn't remember my own insurance that I received and purchased without reviewing the paperwork, and I certainly wouldn't ever remember my husband's. It was all very theoretical to me then.
 
  • #855
The downplaying of the insurance amount is definitely strange to me. I don’t want to make excuses for him, but maybe he just didn’t want people to know? Kind of like when you win a large sum of money, people you barely know come out of the woodwork and suddenly want to be your best friend. But did he just downplay the amount on TV or was he dishonest to LE on the amount?
Maybe he downplayed the amount of the policy because he didn't want LE to think he had a motive. I know, they would likely eventually find out, but everyone these days knows that the spouse is first in the list of suspects, and if you're staring down that barrel, perhaps you try to minimize the suspicion early on.
 
  • #856
I lean against this because the killer appears to have been dressed up in a Star Wars-type robe which while yes, it is a popular franchise, it seems to have been specific to Liz. JMO
I know and that is a big reason why I believe it isn't likely. But someone sometime back posted that what if it is simply a raincoat and knee-high boots to avoid blood splatter on clothing and not really a themed disguise. In which case we think 'Star Wars', because of Elizabeth's hobby and in reality it may have been something much more simplistic.

That said I'm still thinking the Star Wars concept is in play here. But the mistaken identity is still another item to add to my list if I'm keeping an open mind.
 
  • #857
Claudius, thank you for the video link.

I can’t get out of my mind the difference in reaction between SB and her parents. They use words like “crushed” and “devastated”. It’s obvious that they continue to be absolutely torn to pieces.
 
  • #858
I agree with this, not just because he might not have been thinking clearly, but also because these are young people. They don't expect to die. Honestly, I didn't remember my own insurance that I received and purchased without reviewing the paperwork, and I certainly wouldn't ever remember my husband's. It was all very theoretical to me then.
This could quite possibly have a lot to do with how the life insurance was obtained in the first place. If it's something they got through one of their employers, it's likely they checked a box and didn't put a whole lot of thought into it. To many of us, even to some of us that aren't young at all, this is just a payroll deduction that we don't really think a lot about.
 
  • #859
I know and that is a big reason why I believe it isn't likely. But someone sometime back posted that what if it is simply a raincoat and knee-high boots to avoid blood splatter on clothing and not really a themed disguise. In which case we think 'Star Wars', because of Elizabeth's hobby and in reality it may have been something much more simplistic.

That said I'm still thinking the Star Wars concept is in play here. But the mistaken identity is still another item to add to my list if I'm keeping an open mind.
Okay, could the “Star Wars”-like outfit - long robe and boots, both white - simply be a bid to “throw off LE”? Someone who knows she was very involved in it, so dressed up in a disguise that points in that direction? If so, it worked, at least to some degree, because both LE and the public have spent much time thinking it has to be related. Yes, a disguise, but “that disguise”?

After watching the PZ video I’m starting to have some serious suspicions surrounding a particular individual. Would love to know if he knows anyone in Miami. With a black truck.
 
  • #860
I know I’ve felt the life insurance was very suspicious but reading these comments has changed my mind especially since it was through Liz’s employer.

While I’m a very organized, detail oriented, planning everything kind of person and know all about our life insurance policies, I have been thinking and my husband may just have another small life insurance policy through his employer for an unknown amount.

Of course, now I’m going to be asking him about it so he can wonder what I’m planning. ;)
 
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