TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #5

[lonewanderer]

Interesting. The article states that she was shot by a killer “in disguise”. Leads me to believe that that’s what LE thinks. I, also, think the killer is in disguise.

Also, Sergio’s comment about needing to know who did it because we need “to know why”. HUH??? How about we need to know who did it so we can serve a little justice on my wife’s killer! (!!!). Sheesh.

I personally don't think its a disguise. It looks to me like a woman around Liz's age dressed for a morning activity like walking the dog.

I think a disguise would be something more flamboyant, such as the woman who dressed as a clown. I also find it really interesting that most of the people who think Liz's shooter was wearing a disguise will argue up and down that someone was wearing a full SWAT outfit at 4am in the Missy Bevers case but was not in disguise and was not there with the intention of harming Missy.

 

[fridaybaker]

I was under the impression that by the time that Sergio had reached Goddard School the truck was already concealing itself on the other street since the school was right near the road, and corner and stop light, it would have to use to get the next location to hide. Of course, I could be wrong.

I always thought that it was a weird coincidence to that both Sergio and the truck leave exactly at the same random time, 6:48. I always wondered if that meant of the killer had access to track Sergio’s car, the Barazza’s Nest Cam, if they had access to a neighbor’s security camera or had help from a neighbor or someone nearby who was also surveilling the house.

I used to think that by the time Sergio had reached the street in front of the Goddard School that the truck had already concealed itself on the other street since the school where it was parked was closer to the main road and stop lights. Of course, I could be wrong.

I always thought it was a weird coincidence that both the truck and Sergio both start to drive at the same random time, 6:48 AM. It did make me wonder if the killer had access to the Barazza’s Nest camera, could track Sergio’s cellphone, had access to a neighbor’s security camera or if a neighbor or someone nearby was working with them and helping them surveil the Barazza’s home at that time. Of course this is just a thought or a possible theory that could be wrong.

And I agree that the disguise makes me think of a mom whose kids are running late to school and just dressed up enough (like in pajamas or something) to drop her them off in front of school without getting out the car and then leaving immediately to either get ready for the rest of the day or go back to bed. That would be a clever disguise since it would blend in and no one would really find such a person suspicious or unusual.

Yes. At precisely 6:48 both the truck and Sergio move from their locations. In tandem. Vedy, vedy strange.

 

[FromGermany1]

I was under the impression that by the time that Sergio had reached Goddard School the truck was already concealing itself on the other street since the school was right near the road, and corner and stop light, it would have to use to get the next location to hide. Of course, I could be wrong.

I always thought that it was a weird coincidence to that both Sergio and the truck leave exactly at the same random time, 6:48. I always wondered if that meant of the killer had access to track Sergio’s car, the Barazza’s Nest Cam, if they had access to a neighbor’s security camera or had help from a neighbor or someone nearby who was also surveilling the house.

I used to think that by the time Sergio had reached the street in front of the Goddard School that the truck had already concealed itself on the other street since the school where it was parked was closer to the main road and stop lights. Of course, I could be wrong.

I always thought it was a weird coincidence that both the truck and Sergio both start to drive at the same random time, 6:48 AM. It did make me wonder if the killer had access to the Barazza’s Nest camera, could track Sergio’s cellphone, had access to a neighbor’s security camera or if a neighbor or someone nearby was working with them and helping them surveil the Barazza’s home at that time. Of course this is just a thought or a possible theory that could be wrong.

And I agree that the disguise makes me think of a mom whose kids are running late to school and just dressed up enough (like in pajamas or something) to drop her them off in front of school without getting out the car and then leaving immediately to either get ready for the rest of the day or go back to bed. That would be a clever disguise since it would blend in and no one would really find such a person suspicious or unusual.

Wasn't it way too early to drop kids off at school (if the person was faking it)?

 

[glassheater]

This person’s car was seen on camera at 2am driving through the neighborhood. Doesn’t look like they slept much and most likely not at all. This looks premeditated which leads me to believe this person probably did attempt at some sort of disguise. The disguise was poor and this person driving around after to ensure Liz was dead points to an amateur attempt and dumb luck. JMO. I, too, find it odd that not only did the truck drive by at 2am, but they knew the exact time Sergio would go to work. Hard to believe it was completely random.

 

[fridaybaker]

Glass heater, you make a good point: The casing beforehand is a point in the “disguise” category.

I’m not sure about the idea that the going back points to an amateur, though. Don’t some killers do that to “make sure”? Or to get evidence for the person who hired them?

 

[arielilane]

Did the killer wear a disguise because the zodiac and the phantom killer (both are unsolved cases) wore disguises?

Killed by an enemy … and that’s why it's been unsolved?

Is it possible this was a thrill killing? Those close to LB claim she had no enemies.

moo, speculation only

 

[fridaybaker]

Arielilane, I think often people have enemies who they don't realize are enemies. Especially today.

Regarding "thrill kill", juxtapose this case against the one in Seattle (sadly I can't remember the name). The killer seemed like a fairly normal guy, who one day pulled up beside another motorist at a stop light, and shot the driver in the head. Through the killer's own, rolled up, passenger-side window. He'd been researching killing people, shooting through a glass passenger window, etc. Clearly a thrill kill. He studied, then went out to target another driver.

I just don't see a thrill kill here, but it's certainly a possibility.

I've been reading here off and on for several years, and have given the various possibilities serious consideration, including road rage and thrill kill. I just can't get off of the "targeted by someone who hated her/wanted her, specifically, dead" bus.

 

[Charlot123]

I lived in Germany for a few years, and I know most people would never wear pajamas or robes in public.

Now, this is sorta a robe, sorta a light jacket, but is pretty similar to me. It looks a lot longer on my wife when she’s wearing it. The soft boots too.

This could be similar. Also, if the woman/man came to kill, they still should have taken into account the possibility of meeting someone else. It is a neighborhood. During these few steps, someone could have stopped there. Disguised or not, the person should have looked absolutely normal to the neighbors.

I wonder why the second move. I can imagine two people being in the vehicle, and the shooter saying, “I can do it. She doesn’t even know me”. So the shooter comes up to Liz, and asks only one thing, “Are you Liz Barraza?” Or maybe, even Elizabeth’s maiden name? She hears yes, and shoots.

The second round is necessary because she/he is not much of a shooter, so the other person needs to be sure.

I think it was a “she” because Elizabeth wasn’t scared. I also think she did not recognize the person because Elizabeth didn’t know her. All the “beef” that probably existed was with the person’s BF or GF, someone else sitting in the car.

Cosplayers are unusual people. This case is also featured in WS. Kassanndra Cantrell. Investigators follow a digital trail – and the man in the hat – to solve the murder of a pregnant Tacoma woman

Having read about the case again, I wonder if any phone pinged next to Elizabeth’s one that morning? It was a garage sale. People would either accept money, or have a stack of dollars for a change. Maybe a calculator, like any cellphone has, could be handy. In short, I think Elizabeth must have had one in her pocket. Also, there is probably internet in the house. Any “handshake” or whatever they call it? Unless the shooter’s phone was set on aeroplane mode. But where, then? Maybe at the initial stop next to the school?

What I would look for would be some person in EB’s or SB’s lives, maybe prior lives, that had a reason to deeply hate one of them? Not now, maybe 5 years from now. A disgruntled ex of an ex who felt their life was ruined by the person’s new relationship. Or maybe one of them took the person’s role in the cosplay. And then, that person’s current BF or GF.

Also, one of them must have known the neighborhood, but they probably were not that local. I would look at a phone/phones that suddenly went out of the visibility in one of prior stops. If they are cosplayers, I expect them to be technologically savvy, and technologically savvy people make certain types of mistakes, their own ones.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

Wasn't it way too early to drop kids off at school (if the person was faking it)?

True, I think in general it would be considered too early. Maybe they hoped no one would notice or if asked they could lie and say they needed to stop for coffee on the way or the kid had lab or offered tutoring or some activity in the morning like my school sometimes did.

 

[glassheater]

Glass heater, you make a good point: The casing beforehand is a point in the “disguise” category.

I’m not sure about the idea that the going back points to an amateur, though. Don’t some killers do that to “make sure”? Or to get evidence for the person who hired them?

Given that it was a residential neighborhood and how loud gunshots are, especially outside, I find it very risky that they would drive by again. It wasn’t completely dark and a license plate could be read. Also though it was early it wasn’t 5am early. At that time, there oftentimes is someone outside walking their dog before work or leaving for work that could have further identified the perp, especially since Friday is a workday.

 

[fridaybaker]

Glassheater: Okay, maybe I've seen way too much TV. Silencer? Even typing that seems embarrassing, but there are such things, no? (Honestly, I have no idea!)

 

[fridaybaker]

Given that it was a residential neighborhood and how loud gunshots are, especially outside, I find it very risky that they would drive by again. It wasn’t completely dark and a license plate could be read. Also though it was early it wasn’t 5am early. At that time, there oftentimes is someone outside walking their dog before work or leaving for work that could have further identified the perp, especially since Friday is a workday.

And you're right. It WAS RISKY. Hmmm.

Just thinking here. And, your point about "how loud gunshots are", is well taken. Well taken because: The neighbors heard it, looked out their windows, and called 911.

 

[glassheater]

And you're right. It WAS RISKY. Hmmm.

Just thinking here. And, your point about "how loud gunshots are", is well taken. Well taken because: The neighbors heard it, looked out their windows, and called 911.

It’s a frustrating case. Of course this is all just my opinion. I hope a big breakthrough comes through.

 

[lonewanderer]

I wonder why the second move. I can imagine two people being in the vehicle, and the shooter saying, “I can do it. She doesn’t even know me”. So the shooter comes up to Liz, and asks only one thing, “Are you Liz Barraza?” Or maybe, even Elizabeth’s maiden name? She hears yes, and shoots.

The second round is necessary because she/he is not much of a shooter, so the other person needs to be sure.

This person seemed pretty comfortable with the gun. I think they had extensive practice in shooting, or at least high familiarity.

They don't flinch, at all, even on the first shot. This gun was loud, too.

But as far as making a second drive by, look into the Moriah Wilson murder, by Kaitlyn Armstrong. Its basically a carbon copy. Kaitlyn shoots Mo point blank at her home, and when Mo is on her back after the first shot, Kaitlyn shoots her multiple more times. She's then seen on ring doorbell cameras making a second drive by Mo. The entire situation is unnervingly similar to Liz's.

 

[Cedars]

Given that it was a residential neighborhood and how loud gunshots are, especially outside, I find it very risky that they would drive by again. It wasn’t completely dark and a license plate could be read. Also though it was early it wasn’t 5am early. At that time, there oftentimes is someone outside walking their dog before work or leaving for work that could have further identified the perp, especially since Friday is a workday.

I think the turnaround had to do with how they wanted to exit the subdivision so as to avoid encountering police.
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They first arrived from the east and drove past, IMO to scope out the scene - where she was, was anyone else there..
- then they turned around in the next intersection (ie not in anyone's driveway) and parked facing east, the way they'd come.
-After the shooting they drove just to the next intersection to turn around again and head away from where police would come. Just past her place they could turn onto a road that led directly south through the subdivision and onto the highway from there.

IMO, it would be very easy to get confused driving around the subdivision and end up in a dead-end cul de sac, I think the most direct/idiot proof route meant going back past the crime scene.

JMO

 

[fridaybaker]

This person seemed pretty comfortable with the gun. I think they had extensive practice in shooting, or at least high familiarity.

They don't flinch, at all, even on the first shot. This gun was loud, too.

But as far as making a second drive by, look into the Moriah Wilson murder, by Kaitlyn Armstrong. Its basically a carbon copy. Kaitlyn shoots Mo point blank at her home, and when Mo is on her back after the first shot, Kaitlyn shoots her multiple more times. She's then seen on ring doorbell cameras making a second drive by Mo. The entire situation is unnervingly similar to Liz's.

That’s interesting. Thanks for the info!

 

[WyomingSkyAngel]

Someone mentioned "enemies you don't know are enemies." Very true.

I was stalked and harrassed by a neighbor for years. (A Female.) She was mentally ill. Thankfully that is in the past now but some people just seek targets for their venom and cause misery.

The killer might be closer to home.

 

[arielilane]

This person seemed pretty comfortable with the gun. I think they had extensive practice in shooting, or at least high familiarity.

They don't flinch, at all, even on the first shot. This gun was loud, too.

But as far as making a second drive by, look into the Moriah Wilson murder, by Kaitlyn Armstrong. Its basically a carbon copy. Kaitlyn shoots Mo point blank at her home, and when Mo is on her back after the first shot, Kaitlyn shoots her multiple more times. She's then seen on ring doorbell cameras making a second drive by Mo. The entire situation is unnervingly similar to Liz's.

Thanks for bringing it up. Thought LB''s murder had a lot of similarities to the murder of MW who was murdered at her friend's apartment.

Makes you wonder if LB's killer practiced at the shooting range and also if LB had been stalked prior to the murder? Was this a love triangle situation? moo

 

[lonewanderer]

Thanks for bringing it up. Thought LB''s murder had a lot of similarities to the murder of MW who was murdered at her friend's apartment.

Makes you wonder if LB's killer practiced at the shooting range and also if LB had been stalked prior to the murder? Was this a love triangle situation? moo

I have also wondered if the shooter spent some time at the range, much like Kaitlyn.

Yes. At precisely 6:48 both the truck and Sergio move from their locations. In tandem. Vedy, vedy strange.

Since we are discussing that case in comparison, I think its important to mention one of Kaitlyn's tools. Mo had a bike-riding app that showed her location in real time, where she had been, where she planned to go etc. She used that to her advantage to keep tabs on Mo and the bf in the love triangle.

Could Liz's shooter have had something similar to track their locations?

Also, when I worked for the cable company, they had tracking inside of the worktrucks we used. Did Sergio's company have anything like that for his worktruck?

 

[lonewanderer]

Wasn't it way too early to drop kids off at school (if the person was faking it)?

True, I think in general it would be considered too early. Maybe they hoped no one would notice or if asked they could lie and say they needed to stop for coffee on the way or the kid had lab or offered tutoring or some activity in the morning like my school sometimes did.

I have wondered if the shooter normally worked nightshifts and this was not unusual for them.

I have also wondered if their excuse for driving around at 2am was to put a restless baby back to sleep by driving them around.