TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6

[lonewanderer]

We know brilliant and very successful nerds; I am looking at the whole package here. CB works at his dad’s business, dad’s checks bounce… Not independent for his age, that is. Wife has to wake up early and have a yard sale because they have to be frugal to afford that anniversary trip. That, too.

As to being nerdy/not nerdy. My problem is, I don’t know how to read his first interview with the police. It can come as “an anxious, introverted person has just found out about his wife’s death, and his reaction is very typical for his group”, or “he is a very bad actor”. If I didn’t suspect high anxiety/introversion, I’d say “a bad actor.” By the same token, for a person scoring highly on anxiety/introversion, this type of reaction would be very normal. Detached, but panicky. So I don’t know what to think.

This is the first time I have heard it framed that way.

In all the renditions I have heard of this case, the garage sale money was for spending money on their trip and not out of desperation. They were not rich but not struggling financially.

Have I been hearing it or looking at it wrong this whole time? This is a fresh perspective for me.

 

[CrimeTheorist]

I was thinking is it possible that no one owned the vehicle yet? I mean maybe it wasn't stolen or borrowed from a family member or friend but used by someone who had access to cars from a dealership? Would the police look into that or just focus on stolen vehicles and ones that sold prior to the murder?

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Also just because people say they met online doesn't mean that's how they actually met, even if there's proof they joined the site and went on a date. I remember one case where a man had a woman he was having an affair with pretend to meet him in front of his children like it was some random meeting.

 

[FromGermany1]

• Early Morning [06:53:10 AM] The murderer sprints back to the truck and leaves.
• Early Morning [06:53:49 AM] Mr. D., neighbor (across street) calls 911: Heard 4 gunshots and observed Frontier leave and return at 58 seconds into the call with dispatch [6:54:47 AM].
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• Early Morning [06:55:05 AM] The murderer exits Princeton Place subdivision and then does a U- turn to reenter the neighborhood.
• Early Morning [06:55:08 AM] The truck is captured on her doorbell cam passing back by Liz’s house.

I would like to have a drawing with arrows pointing from point A to B to C and so on. Idk, whether I will understand.
No killer plus accomplice will use 2 trucks of the 100% same type - or will he for mysterious reasons?

 

[Cryptic]

Who is the ex-husband? If you're meaning SB, he is not an ex-husband to Liz Barraza. I don't recall Liz previously being married to anyone else before SB. Perhaps I've misunderstood your post. Please correct me, if needed. TIA moo

I was referring to SB. As LB is deceased, SB is no longer married to her. I guess that I could have said "former husband".

 

[sunspun]

I was referring to SB. As LB is deceased, SB is no longer married to her. I guess that I could have said "former husband".

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[SnowAngels]

I was referring to SB. As LB is deceased, SB is no longer married to her. I guess that I could have said "former husband".

They were married when she passed.

 

[ifindedout]

I'm not sure if this has been asked or answered yet, but in the garage sale notice, was there a caveat of NO EARLY BIRDS? Many sellers do not like to have people show up for garage/yard/estate sales before the posted time (even if they buy something), for the following reasons:

• the sellers may not be fully set up for the sale until the last minute
• early birds (especially those who want to, or end up, buying nearly everything) reduce opportunities for others, some of whom who may have come a considerable distance to see what's for sale
• the sellers' HOA or municipality may proscribe early birding
• and possibly others, not least of which being what happened to Liz

MOO, also from personal experience with such sales

 

[CrimeTheorist]

Is it uncommon to be standing out front for a garage sale that early? I know Sergio had to help move the heavier items out front but why wouldn't Elizabeth wait until it was bright out to move the other items? She was described as someone who was very cautious and I know if I was in that situation I would have said that I only want help with the heavy items. I also get not wanting to leave expensive items outside that could easily be taken if the lighter items were moved without me knowing they would be, it almost seems like a trap. Unless Elizabeth thought the garage sale would be starting later, then I could see someone who is cautious agreeing to have help move the lighter items. Does anyone know if Elizabeth had help moving the light items too? And does anyone know if she thought she wouldn't be alone so early in the morning? Like did SB have a sudden earlier time he had to be at work?

 

[lonewanderer]

I was thinking is it possible that no one owned the vehicle yet? I mean maybe it wasn't stolen or borrowed from a family member or friend but used by someone who had access to cars from a dealership? Would the police look into that or just focus on stolen vehicles and ones that sold prior to the murder?

I have long suspected the vehicle was "borrowed" either with or without the owner's knowledge.

A couple of possibilities: (Note* I believe the shooter is female and this is how I think they got themselves in that truck)

1. The shooter made an excuse to use it (am almost out of gas and/or truck is blocking my car, the baby needs formula and/or I need feminine products). In this theory, I also think the shooter may have taken a sleeping child (or what appeared to be a sleeping child) with them. I say this because a truck fitting this description was pulled over at (4am?) early in the morning and according to the officer, the driver had a "good reason" to be driving around that early. The shooter also very briefly pulled into a daycare between Sergio leaving for work and shooting Liz. Would anyone have thought twice if a woman was in a truck, at a daycare, with a child in the car?

2. The shooter just used it without permission. It was spotted at 2am so they could have simply just snatched the keys while the owner slept.

3. The shooter bugged, threatened, annoying THE snot out of the owner until they got their way. This person was cold enough to calmly walk up to Liz and shoot her point blank without flinching one bit. They would most certainly be able to bully and/or intimidate their way into using the truck, especially if a pushover male was involved.

Especially for scenarios one and two I imagine the truck owner to be visiting from out of town. It was January 25th, and that's a tad off from New Years, but that could have someone visiting the area for holidays.

I think with scenario 2, its entirely possible the owner of the truck lives way out of state and has absolutely no idea their truck was used in a crime.

 

[jennytrevor]

I would love to know the breakdown of who those who follow the case believe committed this murder. Man versus woman and then motive/connection. If only we could do polls here!

I personally think it was a man, who either knew of Liz tangentially and had some kind of weird fixation or just a complete stranger. I do not see a woman committing a crime such as this.

 

[dub]

I would love to know the breakdown of who those who follow the case believe committed this murder. Man versus woman and then motive/connection. If only we could do polls here!

I personally think it was a man, who either knew of Liz tangentially and had some kind of weird fixation or just a complete stranger. I do not see a woman committing a crime such as this.

I think it’s a woman, but wouldn’t be shocked if it was a man.

And I think it’s most likely related to the husband in some way, although I’m not sure how exactly and don’t necessarily think he was involved. (But I feel like there are also some plausible possibilities that have nothing to do with the husband, my opinion on motive isn’t that strong)

 

[Charlot123]

The dashcam footage at his house or a different interview?

I think it is the dashcam. He is in some vehicle with a white seat.

That, and this, too, subjectively I can’t process. Something bothers me.

 

[lonewanderer]

I think it is the dashcam. He is in some vehicle with a white seat.

That, and this, too, subjectively I can’t process. Something bothers me.

There is a much, much longer version out there that was just recently released.

It is 30 mins long, or longer.

Have you seen it?

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The smaller clips seem to intentionally make Sergio look like a bit of an offputting goof.

I also find it really weird the report does not match the raw dashcam footage much at all. For instance, they claimed he never asked about Liz but he very much so do, repeatedly.

There are other things that report either exaggerates or leaves out that does not match the footage but that was is the only thing I remember right off hand.

 

[lonewanderer]

I would love to know the breakdown of who those who follow the case believe committed this murder. Man versus woman and then motive/connection. If only we could do polls here!

I personally think it was a man, who either knew of Liz tangentially and had some kind of weird fixation or just a complete stranger. I do not see a woman committing a crime such as this.

You can't picture that?

"A clown came to Marlene Warren’s door on a May morning in 1990, handed her carnations and balloons and then shot her dead in front of her son. On Tuesday, her husband’s second wife finally pleaded guilty to being the killer, closing a case that is strange even by Florida standards." Florida woman pleads guilty in killer clown case decades after love triangle shooting

"In Feb. 2007, Nowak drove 900 miles from Houston to Orlando. In her car, she had a trench coat, black wig, pepper spray, a BB gun, rope, trash bags, an 8-inch knife and other items.


In a detail that captured the public's attention, police reports claimed that she had space diapers with her, so she wouldn't have to stop for bathroom breaks.


Nowak was wearing a black wig and trench coat when she approached Colleen Shipman's car in the parking lot of Orlando International Airport. She banged on the Shipman's vehicle and begged for a ride. When Shipman rolled down her window, Nowak sprayed her with pepper spray and tried to get in the car." Astronaut Love Triangle: Lisa Nowak 'Is Finally at Peace' 15 Years After Attacking Romantic Rival

I would also like to point out that many, many unsolved murders of females with eye witness, CCTV, and other factors have high speculation the killer may be a woman. Missy Bevers, Florence Salon murders, The Lane Bryant shootings. I could name many more but thats what comes to mind at the moment.

 

[Centaurus]

I would love to know the breakdown of who those who follow the case believe committed this murder. Man versus woman and then motive/connection. If only we could do polls here!

I personally think it was a man, who either knew of Liz tangentially and had some kind of weird fixation or just a complete stranger. I do not see a woman committing a crime such as this.

I think it's a man. Not because women don't commit murders, but the way he walked, ran, and also the voice analysis on the Arrin Stoner videos. I think he had someone else in the truck with him and I'd guess this is closer to their inner circle of family and friends than they might think. I also think that truck is long gone, probably in Mexico.

 

[FromGermany1]

I think it's a man. Not because women don't commit murders, but the way he walked, ran, and also the voice analysis on the Arrin Stoner videos. I think he had someone else in the truck with him and I'd guess this is closer to their inner circle of family and friends than they might think. I also think that truck is long gone, probably in Mexico.

I also think, it is no woman, who killed Liz. It doesn't make sense in my eyes, to be dressed and styled like the person was, if it had been a woman.
Unfortunately I never heard the voice of the killer. I saw a video of the crime, but couldn't recognize any voice. I wonder, why the killer even spoke.

 

[jennytrevor]

I would also like to point out that many, many unsolved murders of females with eye witness, CCTV, and other factors have high speculation the killer may be a woman. Missy Bevers, Florence Salon murders, The Lane Bryant shootings. I could name many more but thats what comes to mind at the moment.

I think it's a man. Not because women don't commit murders, but the way he walked, ran, and also the voice analysis on the Arrin Stoner videos. I think he had someone else in the truck with him and I'd guess this is closer to their inner circle of family and friends than they might think. I also think that truck is long gone, probably in Mexico

100% agree Centaurus. I should have explained it better in my first post. I based my opinion on it being a man because of the way the individual moved. They straight up just look like a man to me. The fact that men are much more likely to commit murder and more likely to use a gun to do so adds to my opinion. There is nothing really suggesting a woman other than the fact that the suspect cannot be definitively proved one way or the other from the evidence we have. In cases such as this, I think a lot of people like to jump to the murderer being a woman because it's more interesting for them to think of it that way and maybe some element of "see women can murder too!" motive. JMO.

I have never heard that the Lane Bryant shooter may be a woman. I thought there was a sketch and a surviving victim, not to mention SA?

 

[lonewanderer]

I think it's a man. Not because women don't commit murders, but the way he walked, ran, and also the voice analysis on the Arrin Stoner videos. I think he had someone else in the truck with him and I'd guess this is closer to their inner circle of family and friends than they might think. I also think that truck is long gone, probably in Mexico.

100% agree Centaurus. I should have explained it better in my first post. I based my opinion on it being a man because of the way the individual moved. They straight up just look like a man to me. The fact that men are much more likely to commit murder and more likely to use a gun to do so adds to my opinion. There is nothing really suggesting a woman other than the fact that the suspect cannot be definitively proved one way or the other from the evidence we have. In cases such as this, I think a lot of people like to jump to the murderer being a woman because it's more interesting for them to think of it that way and maybe some element of "see women can murder too!" motive. JMO.

I have never heard that the Lane Bryant shooter may be a woman. I thought there was a sketch and a surviving victim, not to mention SA?

I have never heard SA in the Lane Bryant shootings.

I must respectfully disagree with this logic.

Have you hear of Kaitlin Armstong and Mo Wilson?

Texas, 2022. A woman in hear early 30s is gunned down at her apartment. The killers distinct Jeep is seen on Ring camera. The killer shoots the victim in the stomach a couple of times. As the victim lays supine, the killer shoots her in the head. The killer gets back in her Jeep, and drive by the victim on the ground before leaving. Sound familiar?

Kaitlin Armstrong case: Moriah Wilson's parents file wrongful death lawsuit

The parents of murdered cyclist Anna Moriah "Mo" Wilson have filed suit against Kaitlin Armstrong in the 200th District Court in Travis County.

www.fox7austin.com

My biggest gripe with it possibly being a male is the boots. This person is wearing very feminine boots that go up almost to their knees. Would a man really go look for boots like that in his size just to carry out a hit?

IMHO females are MUCH more clever than men when it comes to things like disguises. As discussed earlier, there is the clown shooting and the astronaut with the exaggerate disguises which were both female (thats just a couple of examples). Of all the hours and hours of true crime I have digested, the most diabolical and complex murder plots were all by women or influenced by women. No shortage of not so bright dudes being manipulated into doing things based on false information or promises.

There is, one particular female in the 501st Legion that looks a heck of lot like the shooter in the footage. There is a whole branch of suspicious details that does not paint this woman in a good light for Liz's case. I think it is likely her in the footage but I admit I don't have rock solid proof and cannot hang my hat on it.

 

[jennytrevor]

I have never heard SA in the Lane Bryant shootings.

I must respectfully disagree with this logic.

Have you hear of Kaitlin Armstong and Mo Wilson?

Texas, 2022. A woman in hear early 30s is gunned down at her apartment. The killers distinct Jeep is seen on Ring camera. The killer shoots the victim in the stomach a couple of times. As the victim lays supine, the killer shoots her in the head. The killer gets back in her Jeep, and drive by the victim on the ground before leaving. Sound familiar?

Kaitlin Armstrong case: Moriah Wilson's parents file wrongful death lawsuit

The parents of murdered cyclist Anna Moriah "Mo" Wilson have filed suit against Kaitlin Armstrong in the 200th District Court in Travis County.

www.fox7austin.com

My biggest gripe with it possibly being a male is the boots. This person is wearing very feminine boots that go up almost to their knees. Would a man really go look for boots like that in his size just to carry out a hit?

IMHO females are MUCH more clever than men when it comes to things like disguises. As discussed earlier, there is the clown shooting and the astronaut with the exaggerate disguises which were both female (thats just a couple of examples). Of all the hours and hours of true crime I have digested, the most diabolical and complex murder plots were all by women or influenced by women. No shortage of not so bright dudes being manipulated into doing things based on false information or promises.

There is, one particular female in the 501st Legion that looks a heck of lot like the shooter in the footage. There is a whole branch of suspicious details that does not paint this woman in a good light for Liz's case. I think it is likely her in the footage but I admit I don't have rock solid proof and cannot hang my hat on it.

Yes I have heard of Kaitlin Armstrong and Mo Wilson. That's a very different situation in which there was a tumultuous relationship and love triangle. Not very suspicious or mysterious at all. If there was an equivalent relationship here, it would have been discovered early on. Of course, it's possible there was and the police just don't have any evidence to prove anything but I would think anything on the Armstrong/Wilson level would have leaked to the masses.

Idk, it's not that I don't think it's impossible it's a woman. I totally think women can be murderers and think it could still be possible in this case. Just not the most likely to me.

I will say, as someone else who has consumed lots of true crime, I must have a different definition of diabolical to you. Because the most disturbing true crime stories I have heard of are almost always carried out by male perpetrators who SA, mutilate, and tortured their victims, often very young teen girls and women.