TX TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #7

[Charlot123]

That makes me wonder.

Do we know any other cases where a break-in would be later followed by the murder of the same person/in the same family?

My feeling is that one of the prior accidents is related to the murder and the other one is random.

Also, with the break-in, would the police have fingerprints/DNA?

How about the bullet in the office?

Let us assume that the break in was linked to the murder.

Is there any report about it? What was the date?

ETA: i didn't end up following Bryan K's trial but per the police, BK had been entering the Idaho house several times before?

Bryan Kohberger Prosecutor Says He'd Likely Been Inside Home Before Murders: 'Looking, Surveilling, Stalking'

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson said Bryan Kohberger may have broken into his victims' home before the murders.

people.com

Maybe the break into the Bs' apartment was "a reconnaissance" but they soon moved away? If the cases are related?

So reading around it seems that the break-in was in the winter of 2016 as they moved into their new house in April of 2016. I assume it takes some time to buy a house, and it was 2016. So...winter 2016? Close to 2 years after the marriage.

With the bullet, I only read that it was at night and the building is huge so likely, not an attempt. But it was a year or so before the murder.

One wonders if it was also in winter? Maybe someone was "celebrating" their wedding in a way?

(Someone very unhappy that they got married?)

We really don't know anything about either's lives before their marriage.

Let us put it so: if it was, indeed, someone close to L/S, it is one thing. Sooner or later it will be found.

But let us say the killer is unrelated to them and was angry with both/either.

If Sergio is not involved in any way, then he is punished too. I won't wish it on anyone innocent to live with such a train of suspicions.

Jealousy? Or, "fixing up" her friend with someone new and the friend's ex then never forgiving Liz? Or simply advising to a friend, "you can do better" and the friend, indeed, does better and the loser never forgets it? Could it happen around her wedding? Someone like a bridesmaid?

Parents say, no one had anything against Liz. But, you can give an advise at 24...and some people may be extremely vindictive in such situations. Especially if the person never found "the one" later.

 

[3mber]

What's interesting to me is not to forget about the two prior incidents:

-- Break-in at apartment, prior to home purchase- I believe it happened in 2016
-- A gunshot being fired into Liz's workplace prior to her murder on January 25, 2019

Are these incidents related to the murder; and did someone want Liz Barraza dead for a while before actually killing her?
In my amateur opinion- yes.


Link to one of my prior post:

TX Post in thread 'TX - Elizabeth Barraza, 29, murdered setting up garage sale, Harris Co, Jan 2019 #6'

Dec 7, 2023

I’ve posted about this previously and will repost:

There was two prior attempts to kill Liz:

1. The third floor apartment she and S lived at prior to purchasing home was broken into. Curious if LB alone at the time of break-in?
2. A gunshot being fired into LB’s workplace not long before she was murdered. Curious if this incident showed her as the target at that time?
3. And finally, Liz is alone on her driveway setting up for a garage sale, and is shot dead in cold-blood.

Who wanted Liz dead?

Moo

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My opinion is that the two prior incidents are connected to the murder. I’ve wondered if they might have been staged to make it seem like a random person was targeting Liz, when in reality someone known/close to her was throwing out red herrings to divert suspicion at the time of the murder.

 

[3mber]

There is so little we know of other people in Liz's life.

From what I know, she married Sergio in 2014, after meeting him while in college at Sam Houston State University (so sometime 2009-2012). She was born in 1989, so while she was super young when she married (24), it is also unlikely that she never had any prior relationships whatsoever.

Liz had lived in Illinois, Missouri, Florida and Texas. That's a lot of locations. Not just a single town in each state, either. For example, we don't know, why she decided to transfer from SFA to SHSU.

There are so many possible locations, where a vibrant woman like Liz might have attracted someone’s attention. Despite the (recent to me) noting, that the car was (is it certain?) driving in the neighbourhood during the night before the murder without passing L&S home at all, I don't (yet) think that it was an opportunistic crime by a stranger. However, I think we are lacking the correct direction in our speculations and as we know so little we go aroung in circles. Angry people can stay angry for a long time. Seething and simmering.

I’ve also been wondering about Liz and Sergio’s circle.

Who were their closest friends, individually and as a couple? Not looking for names but more context—were they closest with friends from college, work, or the 501st? Did they go out socially a lot or entertain more at home? Did either of them remain close with exes or former friends/acquaintances? What about siblings and extended family?

LE has likely looked into all of this, but I feel like knowing more about their social and family dynamics could help make sense of things.

(Edited to remove duplicate post. App was being glitchy.)

 

[FromGermany1]

In my scenario, Liz becomes not a living, vibrant person who deserves to be alive, but a 'meal ticket' for someone who thinks of her only and coldly as a source of income.

My thoughts also, sometimes. A green card for S it can't be, I think?

 

[FromGermany1]

That makes me wonder.

Do we know any other cases where a break-in would be later followed by the murder of the same person/in the same family?

My feeling is that one of the prior accidents is related to the murder and the other one is random.

Also, with the break-in, would the police have fingerprints/DNA?

How about the bullet in the office?

Let us assume that the break in was linked to the murder.

Is there any report about it? What was the date?

ETA: i didn't end up following Bryan K's trial but per the police, BK had been entering the Idaho house several times before?

Bryan Kohberger Prosecutor Says He'd Likely Been Inside Home Before Murders: 'Looking, Surveilling, Stalking'

Latah County Prosecuting Attorney Bill Thompson said Bryan Kohberger may have broken into his victims' home before the murders.

people.com

Maybe the break into the Bs' apartment was "a reconnaissance" but they soon moved away? If the cases are related?

I would be interested to know, what was stolen (IF at all) during the B&E? Something spezial perhaps?

 

[friendlysleuther]

Listening to the interview, now.

The detective talks about the vehicle having some sort of GPS & being able to see it on the vehicle.

Can he not request a warrant from Nissan, to ask which of their vehicles had been in the proximity of Liz’s house at the time of her murder?

(My apologies if I don’t remember word for word what he said— But, the end value/ results are the same)

 

[Megnut]

Listening to the interview, now.

The detective talks about the vehicle having some sort of GPS & being able to see it on the vehicle.

Can he not request a warrant from Nissan, to ask which of their vehicles had been in the proximity of Liz’s house at the time of her murder?

(My apologies if I don’t remember word for word what he said— But, the end value/ results are the same)

Interesting concept...

Like they do with cell phones --

JMO

 

[Curiousobserver]

Interesting concept...

Like they do with cell phones --

JMO

We learned during the Deborrah Collier investigation that XM-radios report their location under some circumstances when it is turned on and off... perhaps another route to get information for LE?

 

[friendlysleuther]

Listening to the interview, now.

The detective talks about the vehicle having some sort of GPS & being able to see it on the vehicle.

Can he not request a warrant from Nissan, to ask which of their vehicles had been in the proximity of Liz’s house at the time of her murder?

(My apologies if I don’t remember word for word what he said— But, the end value/ results are the same)

I looked into it a little bit more.

Can they request a warrant for Nissan, for any Nissans with NissanConnect (which this vehicle should have) -- that
'pinged' in that neighborhood at the time as seen on camera?

 

[Charlot123]

My thoughts also, sometimes. A green card for S it can't be, I think?

Interesting question. I don’t think so for some reason, but I googled the name. Of Spanish/Basque origin, most popular in Mexico, US, Argentina.

Of interest, in Mexico, it clusters in Sinaloa.

https://forebears.io/surnames/barraza

 

[LinasK]

Not really- there's a reason they aren't admissible in court- sociopaths can pass them with false positives, and innocent nervous people can fail them with false negatives. They are highly unreliable, so just because a person cooperates has no bearing on their guilt. A criminal may want to appear cooperative to throw police off their trail.

Just caught my error- was tired when I posted: sociopaths passing is a false negative when they pass, an innocent person failing a polygraph would be a false positive on it.

 

[itsdev]

I looked into it a little bit more.

Can they request a warrant for Nissan, for any Nissans with NissanConnect (which this vehicle should have) -- that
'pinged' in that neighborhood at the time as seen on camera?

I was thinking this as well and perhaps that is what the grand jury subpoena may be about? Hard to tell though, and one would think that could have been done earlier in the investigation.

My theory the past 6 months or so has been that this was an 'unprofessional' hired hit...but not intended for Liz. Hearing Sgt. Ritchie state that the truck didn't drive past Liz's house while in the neighborhood during the late night/early morning hours has made me lean even more in that direction.

There are many houses in that neighborhood with similar builds, layouts and materials as well as three identical house numbers to Liz in a five block radius. If the shooter was an amateur or perhaps taken an upper or a downer, couldn't sleep due to nerves or adrenaline, I could see how the wrong person could have been killed. I know it may sound far fetched, I myself find it hard to discount the coincidental timing of their arrival, yet here I am doing just that!

*Pure speculation*
As an ADHD girlie, I think the way in which they drove past Liz's house, did a 3-point turn, where they parked while committing the crime leads me to believe they are not a super organized person with well detailed and thought out plans, obviously they planned well enough and/or got lucky enough to have gotten away with it this far. *ETA - As an ADHD girlie I was like, that seems like how I drive when I go places because my brain is busy thinking of something else. It's not all the time though guys, I swear!*

This is all IMO and MOO. II have also changed my internal theories on this case multiple times a year, so nobody take this as gospel! I'm very open to hearing opposing thoughts on this, this is just where my brain is at currently.

 

[arielilane]

Angry people can stay angry for a long time. Seething and simmering.

rsbm

This has been my belief from almost day one, someone extremely angry with Liz; and seething and simmering for years.

However, it also seems that someone close to Liz provided inside information about her, what her tasks would be that fateful morning, all alone on the driveway, the timing too precise, and someone tracking her moves that morning.

jmo

 

[Acedia]

When I saw this case way back on some true crime show, wasn't there some speculation that her FIL, Sergio's father hated her for some reason???

Yes. Something to do with him allegedly not paying Sergio the right amount as his boss, but there was speculation Sergio lied to Liz and was just hiding money from her and blaming his dad. Whole thing is unclear

 

[Acedia]

rsbm

This has been my belief from almost day one, someone extremely angry with Liz; and seething and simmering for years.

However, it also seems that someone close to Liz provided inside information about her, what her tasks would be that fateful morning, all alone on the driveway, the timing too precise, and someone tracking her moves that morning.

jmo

cant remember if she posted on socials about the sale.
wasnt there something weird with the garage sale signs she put up

 

[Acedia]

Thank you for approving this interview. I was very impressed with the openness of Det Ritchie in this interview. He is obviously very engaged in trying to solve who murdered Liz. I had believed that the assassin’s vehicle had been spotted on the neighbors camera that recorded the murder had been recorded going by her house hours before the murder. Apparently that was not true. According to Det Ritchie the truck had been recorded in the neighborhood several hours earlier. This was recorded in another area of the neighborhood on a camera or cameras not on the street Liz lived on. I find this perplexing. Could this assassin just have been looking for a random target? Looking for an easy and defenseless target for unknown reasons? Could there have been no relationship to Liz or her husband?

No way was it random IMO.
Only one victim, and then leaves? All the effort into the disguise? The truck being somehow impossible to track down (this part drives me nuts...)? The perfect timing of Sergio leaving, EB setting up garage sale, and the murder and getaway? Imo the possibility of random crime is like 5% tops

 

[Acedia]

After listening to Sergeant Ritchie and knowing what his clearance rate is and him being a veteran LEO, I took everything he said as gospel. I do believe that this person knew she would be off of work that day and would be home and they knew he would be going to work. They knew approximately when he was going to leave as well. They also knew to use a revolver and use a vehicle that was hard to trace. If this car was not available to rent and they could not find one that was registered that was the right match for the one seen on camera and there were none reported stolen in that area at that time, then they either borrowed it or drove it a long way, possibly out of state. When he says he told her parents to be prepared to be devastated, that gave me some chills.

I was wondering if any saints out there could transcribe the important parts of this vid. no worries if not, just thought i would ask. thx!

bolded part - says a LOT

 

[Acedia]

Part 2 of inteview with sgt. richie

 

[FromGermany1]

What did happen with the young lady in Miami and the bounced check about $60.000, I would like to know! IF it had nothing to do with Liz' murder, then there has to be a resolution in some form or another immediately after the murder. MOO The murder and that it is unsolved, can't be an excuse for anybody (especially OB) to stop the whole business transaction (?), that must have taken place. A bounced check of $60.000 and then nothing further?? Very unlikely.
The young lady from Miami isn't by chance Sergio's new wife and mother of his child?
I think, LE would have cleared this, if. Hopefully.

 

[Betty P]

Someone asked earlier about the possibility of LE and prosecutors using a grand jury to investigate Liz’s murder. IANAL, but grand juries can be a tool to gather evidence and encourage witnesses to talk. They’re conducted in secret. Their purpose is to determine if there’s enough evidence to bring charges against a suspect. Since it doesn’t determine guilt or innocence, witnesses are required to testify without a lawyer present and must answer questions. In many cases witnesses and their testimony are kept secret.

Under those circumstances, it might make it easier to persuade one witness to testify against another.

I’d also like to add that it’s great that the sergeant participated in these interviews. His discussions have been very helpful in understanding some of the finer points of this sad case. He seems very committed to solving Liz’s murder.