TX TX - Heidi Broussard, 33, Fnd Deceased, & Margo Carey, 2 weeks, Fnd Alive, Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #11

[Momof4RN]

Ty, not enough caffeine yet, lol.
But MF needed to produce a baby to CG. So I don’t think she went to such extremes for anyone else. Moo

Ha yes that’s what we have all been thinking. But MF doesn’t want CG and MF has been said to not want a baby. It’s $ she needs. And the baby wasn’t just any baby. Had to be Heidi’s baby. A very Caucasian baby so one she would only be able to pull off as CG’s for so long. Long enough to get her $ move out and hand baby over to the person who really wants the baby. Moo

 

[PommyMommy]

Fiance of Heidi Broussard says Austin mom loved woman accused in her death

Noting:

[...]

"She was the best mom, best person you could ever meet. She had like 25 best friends because everyone wanted to be her best friend. I don't understand what happened, still," Carey said.

Carey told GMA he never would have suspected Fieramusca because they were so close.

"Heidi loved Megan. I mean they had a great relationship. I went over in my head about 1,000 times I should have been there. I should have noticed something," he continued.

Fieramusca was present when Heidi gave birth to Margot and a son, who is 6 years old. She also took part in the search for Broussard.

"She was a friend, you know? Like, you would not suspect this at all," Carey said.

[...]

 

[Noharg]

Noting:

[...]

"She was the best mom, best person you could ever meet. She had like 25 best friends because everyone wanted to be her best friend. I don't understand what happened, still," Carey said.

Carey told GMA he never would have suspected Fieramusca because they were so close.

"Heidi loved Megan. I mean they had a great relationship. I went over in my head about 1,000 times I should have been there. I should have noticed something," he continued.

Fieramusca was present when Heidi gave birth to Margot and a son, who is 6 years old. She also took part in the search for Broussard.

"She was a friend, you know? Like, you would not suspect this at all," Carey said.

[...]

Thank you!

 

[Trudie]

Ha yes that’s what we have all been thinking. But MF doesn’t want CG and MF has been said to not want a baby. It’s $ she needs. And the baby wasn’t just any baby. Had to be Heidi’s baby. A very Caucasian baby so one she would only be able to pull off as CG’s for so long. Long enough to get her $ move out and hand baby over to the person who really wants the baby. Moo

Who knows. I think MF wanted CG. Hard to say how many lies MF created during her faux pregnancy.

 

[MontereyMama]

And that MF was holding a pillow over her "pregnancy", hard to picture that one.

Because hindsight is 20/20, it is hard to imagine that no one gave it a second thot, beyond "hmm that's kinda different". But most of us don't walk around with the mindset of paying close attention to every detail cuz we're about to witness a crime!

For all we know, MF was feigning discomfort, holding her belly. Moaning a bit once in a while...

Also, in that podcast Dec 18, didn't friend Caressa say SC had "left to drink " during the delivery and it had made HB mad, understandably.

I guess my point is that often when we look back on an event that later proved to be momentous, it seems things should have been crystal clear at the time. But no. They were not. because chaotic life was happening all around.

 

[Seattle1]

Exclusive: Fiance of woman killed in alleged baby theft plot speaks out

Jan 9, 2020

[..]

I believe somebody talked her into it. I mean, from knowing Magen, I would never imagine it."

"I don't know what happened. … Heidi is way stronger than Magen. There has to be a second person. There is no way Magen was by herself," he added.

MORE: Slain mom was friends for years with suspected kidnapper
Carey told police that on Dec. 8 or 9, Broussard said Fieramusca delivered a baby girl, according to court documents. Carey said he had seen her visibly pregnant, the documents said.

[..]

Fieramusca later told investigators that she went into labor on Dec. 12 and went to a Houston-area birthing center, but she could not remember the center's name, according to the arrest affidavit.

She[n] told investigators she brought her baby home on Dec. 12, the affidavit said.

[..]

Carey, Broussard's fiance, expressed frustration over the way the case was unfolding and questioned why Fieramusca hadn't been charged with murder.

"I guess it's tampering with evidence, [but] how is no one charged [with murder]? … There has to be someone charged," Carey said. "I don't know why this happened. She had my baby in her room supposedly. So it had to be her. … She had to be involved."

ETA: add MOO

I think SC comments about MF being coached or having help to abduct and murder HB are more about his disbelief that MF could do this. HB loved her friend MF.

SC believed fake baby Luna born Dec 8 or 9. It seems more likely to me that MF's 2 hour trip to Austin with or without 3 day old baby Luna along would be posed to HB as an emergency. HB was probably just as worried about MF making the drive so soon after her first childbirth.

Not SC, not HB ever saw this coming from MF.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I had a dream last night that mace was “accidentally” shot in her face. Probably not what happened but Wouldn’t it limit her seeing where she was going? Meghan could have said I didn’t mean to and let me get you help. Pulling over and finishing her off? Idk. I’m grasping at straws I know.

Using mace or pepper spray to Heidi... don't think as a #1 as that would be too near the child MOO if that was planned.

 

[cass523]

 

[happyday]

I love those little mittens on Margo!

 

[Lillymac]

Who knows. I think MF wanted CG. Hard to say how many lies MF created during her faux pregnancy.

And we don't know how much money she's milked out of him for 9 months using being pregnant as a reason.

 

[Momof4RN]

The district attorney's office is "exploring every appropriate charge based on facts and circumstances in the case, up to and including capital murder," Travis County prosecutor Guillermo Gonzalez said in a statement.

Prosecutors have 90 days from the arrest to present a case to the grand jury, he said. No one has been charged with Broussard’s murder at this time.

Shocking details alleged in Heidi Broussard, baby Margot kidnapping case

So why murder charges haven’t been filed yet. Well we know they have time.

But appropriate charges based on fact and circumstances...
So
A) MF isn’t believed to have committed the murder herself.
B) MF did commit the murder herself but they are unsure yet which murder charge to charge her with. If they seek the death penalty they are going to have to have good evidence to show there was intent and premeditation and that a mental illness didn’t come into play.
Moo

 

[Tortoise]

Sorry I haven't kept up, but is there any evidence that MF returned to CG house on the abduction day? Maybe she took Heidi to a motel where her "baby" and maybe the father were supposed to be waiting. Once she got Heidi alone she could do anything she wanted to her, slip her into the trunk and voila.

The part that puzzles me is that she didn't give Heidi time to strap Margo into a seat. That would have made Heidi alert to something untoward going on straight off the bat. I am almost certain that whatever emergency MF could have come up with, would not satisfy a new mother to agree to put her own baby's life at risk, with a baby seat available a few steps away in her apartment. Especially since I believe she was expecting to see MF after her phone call at 8.30am, and a greeting at the car doesn't sound like time for MF to explain a situation outside the car. I also don't think a greeting looks like a blue-light type of emergency either. Neither do I think she had an empty baby seat on the rear seats, because what would be the purpose in alarming Heidi if she didn't need to and could have given her a couple of minutes to properly secure Margo before pulling away. That would be really awkward and frightening to try to strap in such a young and floppy baby who still needs her head supported.

If MF was driving she couldn't have killed Heidi and left no one to hold Margo the rest of the journey. If she had a baby seat hidden in the trunk, again I have to ask why didn't she allow Heidi to use it and the time to strap her in it? It could add more to the theory that there might have been a third person in the car. I really don't think Heidi agreed to go anywhere when she hopped in the back. But it is puzzling that she didn't invite MF up to the apartment to chat and she knew the car wasn't properly parked. So why get in at all if it was going to be that quick? Perhaps she was expecting MF to get in the back with her to sit next to her and chat, because MF getting in the front passenger seat isn't exactly an expected arrangement for chatting. I feel possibly MF closed the door after her with the child locks on and surprised her by getting in the front.

So I agree they could have gone somewhere but I'm not sure Heidi went anywhere willingly without a car seat. MF must have had one though if she was the sole perpetrator of this. I do think her searches for bodies in Austin means she killed her in Austin and went back for her later.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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iirc, the passenger hopped out of the car, opened back door, woman & baby enter, car leaves. We were not told if the “passenger” returned to the passenger seat or walked around to the other side. Moo specifics in AA

Never thought of that. Could she have driven up parallel...then gotten out and went to sit waiting for Heidi to walk up. IOW, she drove up, then walked around to the passenger side to await Heidi and block passenger seat to ensure Heidi and baby got in the back, and then both doors closed.... but the other aspect is not in AA... that of the "later" driver had closed the passenger door (the MF) and then walked around to the driving area.

We can go on and on... I just need the prelim to answer this as I don't want to have to wait 1-3 years for the answer!

Yet allllll of our comments begs the question, how did Heidi know to walk to the car! Did LE not have the ability to see texts through that specific provider? And all this was done through texting that LE didn't have. There must have been some way for Heidi to have known to walk to that car, and one in which she never had the opportunity/chose not to tell him prior.

ETA: Doubting what I say above as the witness said they left quickly, so no walking around. Still have no idea!

 

[Trudie]

If she had a baby seat hidden in the trunk, again I have to ask why didn't she allow Heidi to use it and the time to strap her in it?

was it ever said MF did not have a car seat in her car? Also, the witness said the car left not giving HB enough time to strap baby M in. If MF had a seat, before the car reached the parking lot exit baby M could have been secured, imo. It doesn’t take that long.
If HB thought they were going to cruise around the lot, she did not need a car seat, imo.

fwiw I see women riding in the back seat with their kids all the time.
Also, I just returned from the grocery. A woman put her appx 4 mo in her van parked next to me & immediately closed the door, loaded her groceries, I pulled out behind her, at the red light she more than obviously was buckling the baby in properly as I could see her turned around and her arm extended between the front seats. We all do things dif’, moo.

 

[Lillymac]

Exclusive: Fiance of woman killed in alleged baby theft plot speaks out

I saw this interview with her fiancé on GMA this morning. I feel so bad for him!

Are my eyes playing tricks, but can you plainly see in the first part of the video it shows MF's car with the gate open. And can you see space on either side of the car going either into or out of the gate. Indicating it would fit thru the gate. I'm just asking for an opinion or clarification.

 

[Tortoise]

was it ever said MF did not have a car seat in her car? Also, the witness said the car left not giving HB enough time to strap baby M in. If MF had a seat, before the car reached the parking lot exit baby M could have been secured, imo. It doesn’t take that long.
If HB thought they were going to cruise around the lot, she did not need a car seat, imo.

fwiw I see women riding in the back seat with their kids all the time.
Also, I just returned from the grocery. A woman put her appx 4 mo in her van parked next to me & immediately closed the door, loaded her groceries, I pulled out behind her, at the red light she more than obviously was buckling the baby in properly as I could see her turned around and her arm extended between the front seats. We all do things dif’, moo.

I didn't state she didn't have one, I explained why I didn't think it likely she had one, in my opinion. Of course it's possible, as much as MF leaving her lying in the footwell is possible.

I don't agree about the cruising round the lot idea with a protective mother of a newborn, cars can still collide in parking lots and there was only one straight route to the exit from outside apartments 7 and 8.

We all do things differently but a 2 week old baby is not as sturdy and easy to handle as an older baby.

MOO

 

[Dave F.]

Are my eyes playing tricks, but can you plainly see in the first part of the video it shows MF's car with the gate open. And can you see space on either side of the car going either into or out of the gate. Indicating it would fit thru the gate. I'm just asking for an opinion or clarification.

Early news reports cited a "neighbor" who claimed to have seen MF driving the car along a narrow lane and into the back yard. There is no such lane and there is not a gate anywhere else in the fence except the one behind the car. I'm currently guessing that the gate permanently swings on fencing close to the house, and a section of fence that the gate latches to is mounted with posts in wells in the concrete slab so the whole section can lifted out and set aside, making a wider opening. I think a later report said LE needed to "lift the fence". My guess may change as more information is released. JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I've been wondering about a scenario where MF tells a cousin/friend that she has delivered her baby Luna, in Austin, and that her friend HB has taken her as her own, is deluded and has renamed her, and is refusing to hand her over. She doesn't want the authorities involved. This can be sorted out if they can get her away from her apartment, and take her phone away from her. This person then becomes involved in the incident and because it ended in murder they think they won't be believed since they now know it wasn't MF's baby. MF told them they would both say they were together at the beach that day. It explains why MF would have given an alibi story that police could check with, and why the person wouldn't have been in the story about the birthing centre the same day, thinking that MF gave birth weeks before.

Perhaps it's too far-fetched but I do wonder about her alibi.

 

[InvSmith]

DBM

That was what I was thinking when I read the AA. If they have video evidence of her driving to Austin on the 26th they had to also have video evidence of her driving there on the 12th.
One thing I learned from the Heather Elvis case is that LE can have video evidence under lock and key for a long time before they find the need to present it. As in 3 trials and 5 years later....

I've forgotten, did the witness say if MF got OUT of the passenger seat in the first place? Or maybe witness didn't notice anything until a baby caught her eye.

Yes. The witness indicated the passenger opened the door for the female carrying an infant.

 

[Optics]

Be still my heart!!! What a precious photo of all 3 of them!