TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

[swedeheart]

I missed where KL said that about JL not using in car? I’m not doubting you just want to listen. Can you tell me where that was?

That was said in the Lordan video with Kent. He said there was no evidence that Jason had been smoking that night in his car.

 

[Gemmie]

LOL I was thinking the same thing. Drunk sleepwalking is very common and you do some really weird things! I don’t know if this occurs with smoking weed, but it’s a thought. If he were high, wrecked and fell asleep while waiting for help maybe he could have undressed and slept walked away. But where the heck would he be? He could have walked into water? Or woke up and was embarrassed to be naked and hid and then became hypothermic?

It either happens when smoking weed, or an ex-BF did it normally (but I only witnessed once and he never told me that he'd done it before). So I'm just aware that it can either happen when smoking weed (he was a pothead) or he did it without the 'help' of weed.

Never before seen anything so strange in my life. It was a real WTF moment for me. He was napping on the couch, got up, walked over to a gas wall heater and started peeing on it. The heater was a few feet from the bathroom door so maybe he thought he was in there. I jumped up and was smacking at his arm yelling for him to stop. I was afraid he'd put the pilot light out! LOL Not to mention I wanted him to stop peeing on the rug.

It was very weird to watch. Of course he didn't believe me so I don't think he'd ever been told he had slept-walked before. It for dang sure wasn't my pee dripping down the heater and on the rug below. A woman would have gotten one heck of a burn getting close enough to pee on a wall heater. They get HOT! And NOT in a place you'd want a burn either. LMAO!

 

[kittythehare]

A tad strange is not a standard that is used. Towing a vehicle is part of standard operating procedure. Leaving a wrecked vehicle on the roadway (Any part that is maintained is classified as roadway) is against all procedure by all LE agencies and I believe even written into the traffic code. There is no way one can convince me that leaving that vehicle there would have been the right decision. However, I will agree that maybe having CSI from DPS or SO process scene, in retrospect, would not have hurt.

We have shown you where the vehicle was located and it was not on a roadway.
A young man is lost, possibly dead.
No processing happened, just the few dents noted.
Any other tracks present would have been obliterated by the tow truck, and met the same fate as the poor fish, lost and gone forever.

 

[jellybean96]

That was said in the Lordan video with Kent. He said there was no evidence that Jason had been smoking that night in his car.

Would the amount of pot that was in his bag be enough to make a car smell of Marijuana?

 

[kittythehare]

Would the amount of pot that was in his bag be enough to make a car smell of Marijuana?

No.

 

[Seattle1]

However, if JL's car was already at the impound yard when KL was at SFR, what signal was he querying? Does anyone know where the tow yard is in relation to the crash site? KL also mentioned driving back and forth on a parallel road before calling LE again to ask them where exactly it was - it would seem to suggest that FMP didn't give him the precise area.

^^rsbm
KL first traveled to the 24-hr towing company -- arriving around 5 AM, and 2 hours before the impound yard opened. It was between the waiting time that he traveled to SFR. He stated he obtained the approximate area of the crash site from the towing company.

It was the Lordan YT where KL responded to question about any evidence of mj use inside the vehicle such as lighter, ash, debris, etc., and his response was negative. <modsnip>

MOO

 

[MadMcGoo]

Maybe him being asleep would account for the “67 minute window” from the intersection to the time the vehicle was discovered. Knowing now that the headlights were on, I find it very difficult to believe anyone passed by there and didn’t see his car. Impossible, actually. I’m not a very environmentally/situationally aware person, so during the day or without headlights being on, I would have certainly missed his car.

Maybe he was asleep or unconscious for some of those 67 minutes and “woke up” at some point. It’d be logical for him to possibly start walking the direction his headlights were facing. I’m not sure what direction that’d be, I find the body cam photos disturbing to look at. So if those indicate a direction, I’ve purposefully not seen it.

Regardless, he had an hour and 7 minutes to walk barefoot as far as he could. I think someone picking him up is highly unlikely. So, that’s a starting point. What’s the absolute furthest an unimpaired person, under relatively normal circumstances, could get by walking? In any direction. Because we know these weren’t normal circumstances so he probably couldn’t get further than that.

ETA: The reason I’m using the 67 minutes as an example is because I don’t think he would have survived, under the circumstances, for that long. But I don’t know.

@Gemmie I read through all the threads the past few days and wanted to say thanks for making me laugh several times. It’s good to do here!

 

[kittythehare]

While "digital footprint" has been vaguely defined, i don't think it's solely based on just cell minutes. They know that he was using Waze and Snapchat. I doubt he was continuously talking on the phone at every part they've mentioned - the younger generation nowadays just doesn't do phone calls. (My sister always says that she thinks something is wrong if I call her.)

Find My Phone can still work if "Enable offline locating" and "Send Last Location" is enabled.

However, if JL's car was already at the impound yard when KL was at SFR, what signal was he querying? Does anyone know where the tow yard is in relation to the crash site? KL also mentioned driving back and forth on a parallel road before calling LE again to ask them where exactly it was - it would seem to suggest that FMP didn't give him the precise area.

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[SimplyCass]

I missed where KL said that about JL not using in car? I’m not doubting you just want to listen. Can you tell me where that was?

https://youtu.be/mxlLpsa5jkM?t=4761

If the timestamp doesn't work, it's around 1:19.

 

[kittythehare]

Maybe him being asleep would account for the “67 minute window” from the intersection to the time the vehicle was discovered. Knowing now that the headlights were on, I find it very difficult to believe anyone passed by there and didn’t see his car. Impossible, actually. I’m not a very environmentally/situationally aware person, so during the day or without headlights being on, I would have certainly missed his car.

Maybe he was asleep or unconscious for some of those 67 minutes and “woke up” at some point. It’d be logical for him to possibly start walking the direction his headlights were facing. I’m not sure what direction that’d be, I find the body cam photos disturbing to look at. So if those indicate a direction, I’ve purposefully not seen it.

Regardless, he had an hour and 7 minutes to walk barefoot as far as he could. I think someone picking him up is highly unlikely. So, that’s a starting point. What’s the absolute furthest an unimpaired person, under relatively normal circumstances, could get by walking? In any direction. Because we know these weren’t normal circumstances so he probably couldn’t get further than that.

ETA: The reason I’m using the 67 minutes as an example is because I don’t think he would have survived, under the circumstances, for that long. But I don’t know.

@Gemmie I read through all the threads the past few days and wanted to say thanks for making me laugh several times. It’s good to do here!

Re the 67minutes
A vehicle passed SLR at 11.30pm, he wasn't there.
His crashed vehicle was there at 12.30 something, possibly 5, 12.35.

If he dropped his phone at the last known 'footprint', yet the battery was still active when his Dad got to the breaker yard and the phone switched on.

What could possibly have blocked his signal under those circumstances?
If not using the internet he should still have had a passive signal.
How did that disappear?
I'm prepared to believe he pulled in to tear the car apart while searching for his phone and that could have taken an hour.. but it doesn't account for the lack of his passive signal..

I've wondered more than once whether he was being bullied?
Did somebody follow him, use a blocker, confuse him, somehow?

The falling asleep at the wheel theory was always a runner..

 

[Gobstopper]

After years of reading on these forums I finally created an account. I have a friend who worked on an oil rig. I think the same types of jobs/workers would be working in oil fields 24/7. We know that an oil worker said he didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 when he drove by the accident scene. How many workers would be working on each shift? I’m curious if any other oil workers would be leaving at the same time. Perhaps another oil worker encountered Jason on the road. Did the oil worker who didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 pass any cars driving on that road? The timing seems close not to have passed each other driving on the road with Jason crossing the intersection at 11:24, unless not going in the right direction.
I also wanted to comment that Jason could’ve easily dropped his phone driving over potholes that would be difficult to see in the dark. MOO

 

[MadMcGoo]

After years of reading on these forums I finally created an account. I have a friend who worked on an oil rig. I think the same types of jobs/workers would be working in oil fields 24/7. We know that an oil worker said he didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 when he drove by the accident scene. How many workers would be working on each shift? I’m curious if any other oil workers would be leaving at the same time. Perhaps another oil worker encountered Jason on the road. Did the oil worker who didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 pass any cars driving on that road? The timing seems close not to have passed each other driving on the road with Jason crossing the intersection at 11:24, unless not going in the right direction.
I also wanted to comment that Jason could’ve easily dropped his phone driving over potholes that would be difficult to see in the dark. MOO

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That was my thought exactly. The timing is very close. They would have missed each other by seconds almost.

 

[kittythehare]

After years of reading on these forums I finally created an account. I have a friend who worked on an oil rig. I think the same types of jobs/workers would be working in oil fields 24/7. We know that an oil worker said he didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 when he drove by the accident scene. How many workers would be working on each shift? I’m curious if any other oil workers would be leaving at the same time. Perhaps another oil worker encountered Jason on the road. Did the oil worker who didn’t see the wreck at 11:30 pass any cars driving on that road? The timing seems close not to have passed each other driving on the road with Jason crossing the intersection at 11:24, unless not going in the right direction.
I also wanted to comment that Jason could’ve easily dropped his phone driving over potholes that would be difficult to see in the dark. MOO

Very good points, well made and welcome!
We could not get a handle on how many or few vehicles travelled on that road that night or even usually and I don't know how to get that information, or who would even know..

 

[diggndeeperstill]

https://youtu.be/mxlLpsa5jkM?t=4761

If the timestamp doesn't work, it's around 1:19.

Oh thank you! Sorry didn’t mean for that specific but I appreciate it!

 

[mocity]

I went to the same college JL did albeit many years ago. Most people driving to Houston from school went the same route he was going. Take 80 from San Marcos and then take a right on N. Magnolia in Luling and then 183 to I10 to head to Houston. He took a left at N. Magnolia to get to the spot where his car was found. Has this been discussed? I made that same trip at least 100 times. I can't imagine a reason to go left. The town and the direction home was right at that turn. Has this been discussed?

 

[dmac55]

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[mlhenn]

There is no way one can convince me that leaving that vehicle there would have been the right decision. However, I will agree that maybe having CSI from DPS or SO process scene, in retrospect, would not have hurt.

Whether leaving the car there overnight or towing it, IMO would not have changed the outcome...again IMO. But I 100% agree that LE taking a little more inventory of the situation as well as inventory of actual items, could have dramatically affected the outcome. Again JMO. And in doing so, I feel a more thorough search would have started a lot sooner.

 

[mlhenn]

I went to the same college JL did albeit many years ago. Most people driving to Houston from school went the same route he was going. Take 80 from San Marcos and then take a right on N. Magnolia in Luling and then 183 to I10 to head to Houston. He took a left at N. Magnolia to get to the spot where his car was found. Has this been discussed? I made that same trip at least 100 times. I can't imagine a reason to go left. The town and the direction home was right at that turn. Has this been discussed?

Yes, several members have discussed this, esp in the very first thread I believe. The recent interview with his dad was very insightful with this specifically IMO.
KL stated Jason had recently transferred there and had only driven home a couple of times and each time was daylight. They also showed the intersection (Google maps) during the interview and KL pointed out the lack of road signs to help a driver navigate may have confused Jason as well. I believe the one sign showing 80 was a smaller one and I agree it was in an awkward spot.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I went to the same college JL did albeit many years ago. Most people driving to Houston from school went the same route he was going. Take 80 from San Marcos and then take a right on N. Magnolia in Luling and then 183 to I10 to head to Houston. He took a left at N. Magnolia to get to the spot where his car was found. Has this been discussed? I made that same trip at least 100 times. I can't imagine a reason to go left. The town and the direction home was right at that turn. Has this been discussed?

It’s been discussed. I’m of the opinion that he continued straight through the intersection and didn’t turn left or right. I believe LE made a statement stating something similar, but I can’t be certain of where I saw that.

Someone who’s been actively discussing this case can probably point us in the right direction. If I’m remembering correctly.

 

[happyday]

It’s been discussed. I’m of the opinion that he continued straight through the intersection and didn’t turn left or right. I believe LE made a statement stating something similar, but I can’t be certain of where I saw that.

Someone who’s been actively discussing this case can probably point us in the right direction. If I’m remembering correctly.

Yes, he would have gone straight through the light to end up on Salt Flat road. There is an actual left turn there, but he didn’t do that.