TX TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #6

[Friday Fan]

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Source: WiKi
The causes of SAH include head trauma, brain aneurysms, arteriovenous malformation, bleeding disorder and use of blood thinners. Symptoms include neck pain, confusion, irritability, double vision, numbness throughout the body, seizures, sensitivity to light, decreased vision, nausea, shoulder pain, vomiting and rapid loss of alertness.
SAH causes sudden, severe headache, nausea, vomiting and loss of consciousness.
Symptoms
The most common signs and symptoms are as follows:

• Sensory or motor disturbance
• Seizures
• Ptosis (droopy eyelid(s)
• Bruits
• Dysphasia (difficulty swallowing)
• Headache
• Dizziness
• Orbital pain
• Diplopia (double vision)
• Visual loss

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0271678X20910405
Fever is a common complication after acute brain injury affecting up to 40% of patients suffering from spontaneous subarachnoid haemorrhage (SAH) already within the first 48 h. Early development of fever is commonly referred to as non-infectious fever, whereas the majority of SAH patients develop fever during hospitalization (up to 72%) which represents both neurogenic and infectious fever.1,2 Recent data suggest that fever is associated with more complications during hospitalization, including a higher rate of delayed cerebral ischemia (DCI), leading to poor long-term functional outcome after SAH.3–5

TX - Jason Landry, 21, enroute from TSU to home, car found crashed at Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #3

Thermoregulation in brain injury - PubMed
Fever after subarachnoid hemorrhage: risk factors and impact on outcome - PubMed
Fever following subarachnoid hemorrhage is associated with poor outcome - Nature Reviews Neurology

 

[Ssschu]

Well, this article fills in a lot of blanks about that night.

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Bodycam footage released in Jason Landry case | kvue.com

 

[Seattle1]

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

Thanks, @swedheheart for posting the link.

I have a lot of sympathy for the firefighter that seemed most concerned for Jason's welfare and appeared to be the only person here willing to search during that cold evening. He was also quick to alert the Trooper on what he observed on the road including the clothes, and backpack. While I understand why the Trooper advised the firefighter not to go searching at the abandoned house, it's not clear to me why the CSO never showed up.

Jason's phone could not immediately be pinged for a couple of reasons -- his voicemail was full so they could not establish a connection and Jason obviously could not/ did not answer the incoming call.

I noticed the firefighter continued using his torch while driving -- looking along the roadway for any signs of Jason while the Trooper stayed with the vehicle and contacted Jason's family. The Trooper also relayed information to the CSO to follow up with the University and request a welfare check at Jason's apartment in an effort to locate him.

And the winter grass near the crash site was much taller than I expected!

ETA: A different link includes video where CSO did join the Trooper and firefighter at the crash scene. CSO had been to the abandoned house already.

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

 

[Megnut]

All the new releases give me pause.

Such a desolate area.

LE was correct in assessing driving under the influence. I'm not sure I understand the wisdom of calling for the tow. Yes, I understand there's a potential in their mind for DUI but it's also 40° with wind and they have reason to believe Jason is naked and in the elements.

The car was locked up (I take that to mean jammed and inoperable) so why not leave the car as shelter? It's just so absolutely desolate out there. He may have been able to find his way back to it and take refuge.

They were on scene within roughly an hour....

As the trooper was driving out to the scene, all I could think was that somewhere out there Jason was likely still alive. Just where?

Surreal to watch him in the silent snapchat video dress into the clothes he'd shed so soon after. The t-shirt, the cap, the watch. (It's almost like maybe Jason thought he could rewind time by reversing his steps.)

FWIW to me, it looked like the back window broke inward, not out.

I don't think we can discount Jason's mindset. The drugs, the spiritual path, the third eye.

If this was his state of mind, he may not have registered the crash, the desolation, the cold like we would.

He might've seen it as a sign. As the sign. For a time, he did follow the road. 150 feet. Seemingly the path his headlights may have illuminated. There he stripped down. In the video his dad recorded, you see his watch laid out under his t-shirt, after his dad lifts it. Eerie. Purposeful. Not IMO frantic.

There were lights out there.

The moon?

The abandoned house. Did they ever check for his fingerprints?

If he went into the water, that would have accelerated hypothermia exponentially. Enough to sober him up? Would it work like that?

I can't help but to think of comorbidities. Possible head injury. Drug use slowing cognition. Hypothermia. As cognition might have recovered, hypothermia may have numbed it? I just don't know, how long would it take to sober up, without competing factors?

I wonder if Jason thought he'd entered into some kind of realm.

So painful to hear his parents' concern -- the waiting, not knowing what to do -- and yet Jason was likely still alive. Was he running toward some imagined enlightenment? Was he already in the throes of hypothermia?

Did he lie down somewhere, fall asleep and miraculously make it to daylight, only to be woefully lost and succumb to hypothermia anyway? Did he find a hole, a culvert, a well to climb into? Would that seem like a safe, warm place?

A series of unfortunate events....

The late night drive, under the influence.... the worst timing ever for Waze to disconnect. Had Jason made the turn toward the highway and not proceeded straight onto Salt Flat Road, would he have reached his destination? His mj was in his backpack so presumably he wasn't smoking more; would he have become progressively more alert as he drove? Could he have navigated the rest of the route safely?

That ill-fated straightaway. Random. Remote.

How long did Jason stay in the car? How close was he when the firefighter arrived on scene? Did Jason see the lights -- flashlights, squad car lights, tow truck lights? Was he actively dodging law enforcement or was he "focused" on his journey, blocking everything else out? Once disrobed, did he hide? He must've left the road. In that grass, he'd have been impossible to see.

While it's possible someone picked Jason up, after viewing the totality of what's been released, there's just no reason, no evidence IMO of such a thing.

He left with a planned destination, he missed a turn, he lost control of the vehicle on a curve, he exited the car, walked a ways, undressed....

And IMO got lost within a mile or two and within a few hours...

Even without a head injury or a medical event, but surely compounded by either, hypothermia and/or drowning seem to me to be the only explanation... his remains now unfounded or unfindable.

He was alive, and then he wasn't.

My heart goes out to his parents and loved ones.

LE didn't give up. They could've called it in in the morning...

A sad, sad ending. Without answers.

JMO

 

[Friday Fan]

Well, this article fills in a lot of blanks about that night.

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

Drives me nuts when the Caldwell County Sheriff Deputy says "He's leaving Texas state and he's going to Missouri City, which is by Houston, a source city for narcotics. Literally just happens to be along the way there. ..."

They don't have any proof. That's not nice. My son lives in Houston. They can do without that rhetoric...It doesn't add to the investigation and it makes me distrust them. I'm sure it's upsetting to his parents. They don't have proof that Jason was going to Houston to get narcotics.

How about something more objective like: "Jason was on his way to Missouri City from San Marcos. He was on Salt Flat Road after he failed to make a turn. By the tire marks it appears he may have been driving too fast or swerved to avoid an animal. We don't believe anything nefarious happened to him before the crash. Jason may have been under the influence. We don't have an explanation for why he disrobed. We don't see any evidence of foul play".

I guess Luling doesn't want city folk coming in to town for their watermelon fest. We might "bring drugs".
Most everything else about the report was done well and professionally.

 

[LauraAnne]

Thanks, @swedheheart for posting the link.



And the winter grass near the crash site was much taller than I expected!

ETA: A different link includes video where CSO did join the Trooper and firefighter at the crash scene. CSO had been to the abandoned house already.

New details released in search for missing Texas State student

RSBM.

Yes. That's what I've been saying. That winter grass, knee high or better that's the color of Jason's skin, goes on FOREVER, as far as your eye can see. He could easily have been hidden out there, lying down, and not seen by even diligent searchers.

 

[Curious_in_NC]

In the bodycam footage LE clearly state they're taking the backpack and leaving the clothes, but they don't say why.

 

[Savemecastiel]

This just gets sadder and sadder. If only the friend he was facetiming would have tried to convince him to sober up before leaving instead of recording him... not saying it's his friends fault AT ALL. It's just sad to see all these young kids experimenting with hard drugs and bad things happening. I've experimented in my life, but I was scared out of doing it anymore. Everybody has a different tolerance to these things.

 

[Gemmie]

Agree… anyone ever seen anything like this released before?

My first thought was about the timing that this was released. Why over a year later? That seems odd to me but what do I know?

 

[Gemmie]

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Body cam video from Trooper Cristobal Flores

Wow! What a find, swedeheart!!! Thanks for posting this. I just wish it was really a bodycam vid like the headline reads, and not a dash cam. I'd have liked to have heard their conversations while they were out searching, and seeing what they were seeing, and not just staring at the back of the VFF's truck.

What I find interesting is the crash was found ~12:31am (timeline in link below)... yet on the vid Flores says "We’ve got Dix’s Diesel in route" (heard @ 3:14). He then noted the time out loud (12:35am @ 3:51 in) a few seconds after saying Dix’s was in route.

That's.... an awful quick tow. Unless he wasn't stating the actual time it was and was instead stating the approximate time the car was found. I'm guessing the latter but it struck me as odd.

Flores to Lisa – "It’s 43° out here and it feels like it’s 36". (Great question): “What in the world was he doing on this road then?”.

ETA another note I took:

Flores: "He kicked out the window in the back and got his backpack which was found ~150’ further up the dirt road".

There's been some speculation of how the blood got on his shorts, and that he likely got it on the barbed wire exciting through the car door. Flores saw the actual scene so maybe the evidence points to him kicking out the back window, and it not being broken from the crash. Maybe he did exit out the back window after grabbing his belongings.

Timeline: Cell phone data reveals timeline in mysterious disappearance of Texas State student Jason Landry`

 

[Simone44]

Is there a possibility that someone on the highway he was supposed to take from Luling sent out a notification of Law Enforcement ahead and that as Jason had been taking, and was in possession of, drugs, he felt he had to deviate from his planned route? The whole drug element now makes me wonder.

I think LE releasing the videos is positive, but I can understand why the information about Jason’s drugged up internet searches immediately prior to leaving for Missouri has upset his family, as it undoubtedly besmirches his reputation, and it may have just represented a one-off bit of curiosity. He doesn’t now come across as the clean-cut, God-fearing, slightly isolated college kid which was originally represented. I think it does not bode well for the getting of a geofence warrant. I’d like to know what the private investigators have found which makes them feel that third parties were involved.

 

[Friday Fan]

Is there a possibility that someone on the highway he was supposed to take from Luling sent out a notification of Law Enforcement ahead and that as Jason had been taking, and was in possession of, drugs, he felt he had to deviate from his planned route? The whole drug element now makes me wonder.

I think LE releasing the videos is positive, but I can understand why the information about Jason’s drugged up internet searches immediately prior to leaving for Missouri has upset his family, as it undoubtedly besmirches his reputation, and it may have just represented a one-off bit of curiosity. He doesn’t now come across as the clean-cut, God-fearing, slightly isolated college kid which was originally represented. I think it does not bode well for the getting of a geofence warrant. I’d like to know what the private investigators have found which makes them feel that third parties were involved.

I doubt it. Recreational marijuana was found on Jason.
Sure pastor's kids use drugs.

There is no record that someone called LE about Jason, "traveling through town with drugs"

People who are into marijuana frequently discuss strains and combining strains. It's a thing...It indicates that he used marijuana frequently..

No other drugs were found.

His cellphone time correlates with him missing his turn to get on I-10...
He probably didn't notice at first he was going the wrong way at first..(He apparently only drove the route several times)

There is no evidence that a cop was after him...

If that was me and I thought cops were after me, I would have my GPS out trying to figure out how to get out of town the back way. Instead Jason did the opposite.

I'm sure there are drugs in Luling, but they get there via locals, not some college kid driving through.

It seems like this particular deputy uses this rhetoric and I don't see other investigators using it. He seems to be over sensationalizing the drug aspect of it. MOO...

 

[Gemmie]

His cellphone time correlates with him missing his turn to get on I-10...
He probably didn't notice at first he was going the wrong way at first..(He apparently only drove the route several times)

Respectfully snipped and BBM for focus.

I agree that he might not have noticed he was going the wrong way at first. But his car ended up ~5 miles down a gravel road before crashing, the town long left behind him (literally) in the dust. Just curious as to why you'd think that was? He had plenty of opportunities to turn around. Instead, he continued on for ~5 miles. That's a LONG time in my opinion. It only takes mere yards on a gravel road for me to want to turn around. lol

 

[MadMcGoo]

Wow! What an interesting turn of events. I’m still trying to process.

 

[DeDee]

Wow! What a find, swedeheart!!! Thanks for posting this. I just wish it was really a bodycam vid like the headline reads, and not a dash cam. I'd have liked to have heard their conversations while they were out searching, and seeing what they were seeing, and not just staring at the back of the VFF's truck.

What I find interesting is the crash was found ~12:31am (timeline in link below)... yet on the vid Flores says "We’ve got Dix’s Diesel in route" (heard @ 3:14). He then noted the time out loud (12:35am @ 3:51 in) a few seconds after saying Dix’s was in route.

That's.... an awful quick tow. Unless he wasn't stating the actual time it was and was instead stating the approximate time the car was found. I'm guessing the latter but it struck me as odd.

Flores to Lisa – "It’s 43° out here and it feels like it’s 36". (Great question): “What in the world was he doing on this road then?”.

ETA another note I took:

Flores: "He kicked out the window in the back and got his backpack which was found ~150’ further up the dirt road".

There's been some speculation of how the blood got on his shorts, and that he likely got it on the barbed wire exciting through the car door. Flores saw the actual scene so maybe the evidence points to him kicking out the back window, and it not being broken from the crash. Maybe he did exit out the back window after grabbing his belongings.

Timeline: Cell phone data reveals timeline in mysterious disappearance of Texas State student Jason Landry`

The question regarding the rear window being knocked out by the initial hitting the tree or if Jason kicked it out in order to get out of his vehicle is not difficult to answer. jmo

Why would kicking out the rear window be easier than exiting, say, the passenger's side door? Or exiting the driver's side door that was so close to the barbed wire fence that a barb may have cut Jason. Since it wouldn't be easier, then why would Jason elect to kick out the rear window of his vehicle?

Surely the rear window broke out during the accident. jmoo

 

[Friday Fan]

Respectfully snipped and BBM for focus.

I agree that he might not have noticed he was going the wrong way at first. But his car ended up ~5 miles down a gravel road before crashing, the town long left behind him (literally) in the dust. Just curious as to why you'd think that was? He had plenty of opportunities to turn around. Instead, he continued on for ~5 miles. That's a LONG time in my opinion. It only takes mere yards on a gravel road for me to want to turn around. lol

I dunno...People get weird when they're lost. Add substances into the mix and even more lost.

I got lost on my way home from this place called Aquaduck.
I was not drinking.

I live on the other side of town.

I've lived here for 40 years.
I thought: I'll just take the way I got here, so I didn't open my phone.

But I must have missed the road that I turned on.

One road was blocked off. I recognized Stinson Airport, so I must have headed north.
Another road to the right was blocked off, so I turned around.
Somewhere in this mix, I saw Mission Espada and turned around.
I saw a freeway and couldn't figure out it if it was I-35, I-37 or 410 or just some other big road.
The area is poorly lit.

I can't remember how I found my way out.
I must have pulled over, but it was weird.
I kinda felt like I going crazy....

It isn't a super, easy place to get lost either.

aquaducksa - Google Search

 

[nao]

Moo...people from "sheltered" background are at a disadvantage when starting the experimental part of life. When i experimented i was with my 15 yr old peers. If you start at 20ish ya kinda own your own in that learning curve. Moo

 

[MadMcGoo]

Jason David Landry – The Charley Project

Details of Disappearance
Landry was last seen in San Marcos, Texas on December 13, 2020. He left his apartment at 10:55 p.m. to drive to Missouri City, Texas, where his family is from. He has never been heard from again.

After his disappearance, his vehicle, a silver 2003 Nissan Altima with the Texas license plate number BV1Y123, was found wrecked and abandoned in the 2300 block of Salt Flat Road just outside of Luling, Texas, about a thirty-minute drive from San Marcos. The car's lights were on, the keys in the ignition and the front passenger door was locked. Landry's keys, wallet, phone and other personal belongings were inside the car.

About 900 feet south of the car was the clothing Landry is believed to have been wearing at the time of the crash. There was no indication that the clothes had been forcibly removed, but there was a small amount of blood in the underwear. Landry's backpack, some toiletry items and a tumbler with his pet beta fish inside (dead) were a short distance away, north of the clothes.

Investigators believe the crash happened between 11:30 p.m. on December 13 and 12:30 a.m. on December 14, and that Landry was driving, sustained little to no injury and was able to walk away from the crash site. They believe whatever caused his disappearance, happened after the crash occurred. Dogs tracked Landry's scent for a quarter of a mile from the crash site, then lost the trail.

On the night of his disappearance, prior to setting out for Missouri City, Landry spoke to a friend via a video call for nearly an hour. His friend thought at the time that Landry seemed "messed up" and probably wouldn't be able to remember the conversation later, so he recorded it. The recording, however, was only of the video; the audio was not captured. The conversation ended after Landry went out to his car and started the drive to Missouri City.

Landry was a student at Texas State University in San Marcos at the time of his disappearance, and went missing shortly after finishing his autumn term final exams. His case remains unsolved.

 

[Gemmie]

I dunno...People get weird when they're lost. Add substances into the mix and even more lost.

Good point. Thanks for answering my Q.