TX TX - Jason Landry Missing After Car Found Crashed Near Luling, 14 Dec 2020 #7

[nannymo]

You are correct! Blood spots were found on Jason's underwear that were located on the road not far from his vehicle.. The Texas Monthly article mentions it: A Missing Student, a Suburban Mom, a Mysterious Facebook Profile: Inside the Jason Landry Disappearance

Blood stains on underwear are often a sign of foul play.

But if he took his clothes off inside the car, climbing out a window against the barbed-wire fence, he would have likely cut himself on the barbed wire. OR...he climbed out a window and the barbed wire went through his clothes and underwear and he took his clothes off after he climbed out of the car. Wasn't the driver's door against the fence?

 

[Gemmie]

But if he took his clothes off inside the car, climbing out a window against the barbed-wire fence, he would have likely cut himself on the barbed wire. OR...he climbed out a window and the barbed wire went through his clothes and underwear and he took his clothes off after he climbed out of the car. Wasn't the driver's door against the fence?

Which begs the question... was his shorts, underwear and/or t-shirt torn/ripped by a barbed wire? It's been so long I don't recall. Just a spot of blood on the band of his underwear.

 

[nannymo]

I agree....his clothes should have a rip or tear. I am sure his Dad knows since he gathered the clothes. I just feel like he is out there somewhere close. Hidden very well from the elements. I hope he is found soon.

 

[Sillybilly]

However, Jason's wristwatch was found, carefully folded and placed on top of his shoe.

<rsbm>

Articles state the various items that were found, including wristwatch, but could you please provide a link to the very specific statement about it being found "on top of his shoe".

Thanks Seattle !!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Going back to the link at New details released in search for missing Texas State student posted earlier, would someone check out the cell phone video from the father? It looks to me like when he picks up the shirt, the watch is under it. Under Dec 14, 2020 SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video. The one that starts with the flip-flops (also at SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video you have to wait for an ad to finish)

Does this look like the watch to anyone but me?

 

[Gemmie]

Going back to the link at New details released in search for missing Texas State student posted earlier, would someone check out the cell phone video from the father? It looks to me like when he picks up the shirt, the watch is under it. Under Dec 14, 2020 SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video. The one that starts with the flip-flops (also at SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video you have to wait for an ad to finish)

Does this look like the watch to anyone but me?

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It is MOST definitely a watch IMO.

At :12 in his dad says "and this is his t-shirt", then picks it up and his watch is seen lying underneath. I've tried several times to get a better SS of it but that site isn't as easy as other sites to grab stuff from videos. This is the best I can do.

SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video

The Caldwell County Sheriff's Office has released cell phone video from Kent Landry, father of Jason Landry, in connection to the investigation into what happened to Jason. Jason went missing in December 2020.

www.fox7austin.com

 

[Megnut]

Going back to the link at New details released in search for missing Texas State student posted earlier, would someone check out the cell phone video from the father? It looks to me like when he picks up the shirt, the watch is under it. Under Dec 14, 2020 SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video. The one that starts with the flip-flops (also at SEARCH FOR JASON LANDRY: Kent Landry cell phone video you have to wait for an ad to finish)

Does this look like the watch to anyone but me?

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Yes, and I recall his father describing finding the watch, laid out flat, which seems quite placed. Not sure that's significant, but it's not like he just threw it down. It looks like he laid it down. And covered it with his shirt.

None of it makes much sense.

JMO

 

[Gemmie]

Yes, and I recall his father describing finding the watch, laid out flat, which seems quite placed. Not sure that's significant, but it's not like he just threw it down. It looks like he laid it down. And covered it with his shirt.

None of it makes much sense.

JMO

It never seemed placed to me as everything else in the road looked dropped, not placed. Like he was just shedding everything he wore and dropping stuff left and right as he walked down the road.

And a falling watch with leather straps can land multiple ways:

• Face up
• Face down
• Both straps laid out flat
• Both straps folded either over or under
• Upper strap laid flat, lower strap folded (either folded up or under)
• Lower strap laid flat, upper strap folded (either folded up or under)

Or balanced on one side if I'm the one dropping it. lol

Shoes were in a different spot than the watch.

All JMO!

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yes, and I recall his father describing finding the watch, laid out flat, which seems quite placed. Not sure that's significant, but it's not like he just threw it down. It looks like he laid it down. And covered it with his shirt.

None of it makes much sense.

JMO

Yes, that is how it looks to me. Laid out flat with the shirt placed over it. But I'll be honest, this reminds me of a case many years ago where a girl was out in the cold and stripped all her clothes off as she was running, also from a car. In that one they declared hypothermia resulting in paradoxical undressing. So JMO.

But depending on the watch type, it might just have flattened itself out when removed. Some don't flop around, but are inclined to stay flat. I could not tell, though. Was it shoes off then shirt, or shirt, then shoes? It the one video, the father was parked right next to the underwear, with shorts and sock visible ahead. If I were to track backwards, I think it would be watch (removed first because a lot of people take off their watch before removing a shirt), shirt, shoes (in the father's video, facing different directions, yet close together), socks (far apart), shorts (or one sock, shorts, the other sock), then underwear. That, to me, seems like paradoxical undressing.

It is such a shame that all of the land in the near vicinity could not have been searched way back when.

 

[Gemmie]

Yes, that is how it looks to me. Laid out flat with the shirt placed over it. But I'll be honest, this reminds me of a case many years ago where a girl was out in the cold and stripped all her clothes off as she was running, also from a car. In that one they declared hypothermia resulting in paradoxical undressing. So JMO.

But depending on the watch type, it might just have flattened itself out when removed. Some don't flop around, but are inclined to stay flat. I could not tell, though. Was it shoes off then shirt, or shirt, then shoes? It the one video, the father was parked right next to the underwear, with shorts and sock visible ahead. If I were to track backwards, I think it would be watch (removed first because a lot of people take off their watch before removing a shirt), shirt, shoes (in the father's video, facing different directions, yet close together), socks (far apart), shorts (or one sock, shorts, the other sock), then underwear. That, to me, seems like paradoxical undressing.

It is such a shame that all of the land in the near vicinity could not have been searched way back when.

Watch would have had to come off before his t-shirt since it was under his t-shirt, not on top.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Watch would have had to come off before his t-shirt since it was under his t-shirt, not on top.

Agree. I was just pointing out a possible reason WHY remove the watch at all. Some of us NEVER remove our watch except to replace the battery. If my watch is off when I die, my kids will be all over the police that it's suspicious. Just a reference.

 

[Seattle1]

<rsbm>

Articles state the various items that were found, including wristwatch, but could you please provide a link to the very specific statement about it being found "on top of his shoe".

Thanks Seattle !!

I recall this came from his father in one of the podcasts-- that dad found his watch laid out flat, resting on his slide (shoe). It's been 5 years, and don't know if I'll readily find this quote, so please don't hesitate to modify my reference.

ETA: I see others have found photos/evidence of the wristwatch.

 

[Dnp2be]

I was just thinking about how I can’t believe it’s been 5 years. It has also always been my opinion that he was undressing as people do with hypothermia. Of course JMO as well. I re read the article above and I guess I initially didn’t think the accident was “bad” enough to cause significant head injury or disorientation but after reading that article, I think it’s possible even without any blood evidence besides the smear of blood. Anyone know about how fast they think he would have been going. I suspect he got lost paying attention to snap chat and not having Waze up for directions. One thing that has always bothered me is the distance of time between the accident and his car being found. It was such a short period of time considering what it could have been. It’s always made me wonder; if the hypothermia is the reason he was disrobing; how quickly would that occur in the conditions it was that night? His stuff was found close to his vehicle so that makes me think he disrobed pretty quickly. Is this reasonable in your opinions? I’m going to look into this a little more but figured some of you may have better insight than I might gain researching. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.

 

[NervousNellie]

I was just thinking about how I can’t believe it’s been 5 years. It has also always been my opinion that he was undressing as people do with hypothermia. Of course JMO as well. I re read the article above and I guess I initially didn’t think the accident was “bad” enough to cause significant head injury or disorientation but after reading that article, I think it’s possible even without any blood evidence besides the smear of blood. Anyone know about how fast they think he would have been going. I suspect he got lost paying attention to snap chat and not having Waze up for directions. One thing that has always bothered me is the distance of time between the accident and his car being found. It was such a short period of time considering what it could have been. It’s always made me wonder; if the hypothermia is the reason he was disrobing; how quickly would that occur in the conditions it was that night? His stuff was found close to his vehicle so that makes me think he disrobed pretty quickly. Is this reasonable in your opinions? I’m going to look into this a little more but figured some of you may have better insight than I might gain researching. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.

I agree - can’t believe it’s been five years. Jason was doing what many of us do - drive home for the holiday. I am sure one of the case threads has discussed hypothermia at length- I will try to share some posts later today (if I get any passenger time in the car!).

If this was not foul play (though I think that is a possibility), I had assumed Jason lost consciousness in the car accident, which would have negatively impacted his state of mind. And when he regained consciousness, he was already really cold, and high, with a possible head injury(?, IMO). Hypothermia, or the onset of, was only one factor, IMO.

 

[Little Jack]

I propose another possible reason for the undressing. Having a large dose of drugs prior to an emergency surgical procedure triggered a reaction from me that involved trying to get out of the hospital bed, take out iv and undress. For years after I suffered extreme restless leg which at its worst at night caused me to pace and rip off my night clothes. It felt like my skin was crawling and anything touching me was intolerable. The sensation was torturous.

I do not know how this would fit into the context of this particular story regarding possible drug use, the timing of the undressing etc. But I do think it is relevant to know there are other reasons for this paradoxical undressing other than just hypothermia.

 

[DustysMom]

I was just thinking about how I can’t believe it’s been 5 years. It has also always been my opinion that he was undressing as people do with hypothermia. Of course JMO as well. I re read the article above and I guess I initially didn’t think the accident was “bad” enough to cause significant head injury or disorientation but after reading that article, I think it’s possible even without any blood evidence besides the smear of blood. Anyone know about how fast they think he would have been going. I suspect he got lost paying attention to snap chat and not having Waze up for directions. One thing that has always bothered me is the distance of time between the accident and his car being found. It was such a short period of time considering what it could have been. It’s always made me wonder; if the hypothermia is the reason he was disrobing; how quickly would that occur in the conditions it was that night? His stuff was found close to his vehicle so that makes me think he disrobed pretty quickly. Is this reasonable in your opinions? I’m going to look into this a little more but figured some of you may have better insight than I might gain researching. What are your thoughts? Thanks in advance.

IMO - there was not enough time for him to get cold enough to paradoxically undress. If he was cold, why not stay in the car, find his phone and use it to call for help?
I lean towards foul play (occurring at the intersection) resulting in a car chase and causing the accident, Then, he was forced to exit the vehicle, remove his clothes and was abducted. I realize he was high and this would affect his decision making, response time, etc. Yes, it was cold and he was wearing shorts and slider sandals - but, he exited a heated car into 30-40 degree temps and immediately starts undressing ? That never made sense to me.

 

[Valiant]

Agree. I was just pointing out a possible reason WHY remove the watch at all. Some of us NEVER remove our watch except to replace the battery. If my watch is off when I die, my kids will be all over the police that it's suspicious. Just a reference.

And many people with modern watches are used to removing them every night to charge. I don't find the watch removal odd.

 

[Valiant]

IMO - there was not enough time for him to get cold enough to paradoxically undress. If he was cold, why not stay in the car, find his phone and use it to call for help?
I lean towards foul play (occurring at the intersection) resulting in a car chase and causing the accident, Then, he was forced to exit the vehicle, remove his clothes and was abducted. I realize he was high and this would affect his decision making, response time, etc. Yes, it was cold and he was wearing shorts and slider sandals - but, he exited a heated car into 30-40 degree temps and immediately starts undressing ? That never made sense to me.

It doesn't make sense from a foul play perspective after a chance encounter. A random stranger would have zero reason to remove Jason from the scene, let alone undress him or have him undress before removing and killing him. There was no evidence that another car hit his and no one had commented on other car tracks around the scene.

I think Jason was suffering from side effects of laced marijuana. The video of him facetiming his friend shows someone who was clearly under the influence. Who knows how long the effects could have lasted. Undressing might not be from the cold.

 

[DustysMom]

It doesn't make sense from a foul play perspective after a chance encounter. A random stranger would have zero reason to remove Jason from the scene, let alone undress him or have him undress before removing and killing him. There was no evidence that another car hit his and no one had commented on other car tracks around the scene.

I think Jason was suffering from side effects of laced marijuana. The video of him facetiming his friend shows someone who was clearly under the influence. Who knows how long the effects could have lasted. Undressing might not be from the cold.

Ok - I agree. He was wasted.
I don’t have 100% confidence in the police response that night. If they didn’t pick up his belongings that night - or search for him - they certainly weren’t looking for or documenting evidence of another vehicle. And what evidence would a second vehicle had left if they merely tailgated him until he swerved/ran off the road?
It’s possible, some thugs saw an easy mark (lone wasted college student)- and over powered him. For what? They didn’t take his wallet or his weed…
I did read (and now I’ll have to find it) a letter that was written anonymously (?) to police (I think) claiming that several unsavory locals put JL in their trunk and probably killed him. This possibility sticks in my head.
I’ll try and find the source of that letter…

 

[DustysMom]

Ok - I agree. He was wasted.
I don’t have 100% confidence in the police response that night. If they didn’t pick up his belongings that night - or search for him - they certainly weren’t looking for or documenting evidence of another vehicle. And what evidence would a second vehicle had left if they merely tailgated him until he swerved/ran off the road?
It’s possible, some thugs saw an easy mark (lone wasted college student)- and over powered him. For what? They didn’t take his wallet or his weed…
I did read (and now I’ll have to find it) a letter that was written anonymously (?) to police (I think) claiming that several unsavory locals put JL in their trunk and probably killed him. This possibility sticks in my head.
I’ll try and find the source of that letter…

This redacted letter was shown with the names Rick,Fly and Jesse in the Disappeared episode on Jason’s case. It was from anonymous to private investigator Mr Pina. Anonymous heard that Jason was killed by these 3 and that others in Luling know but are afraid to talk. One of them doesn’t work/sells drugs - all are ‘no good’. Did these 3 crash his car on salt flat road and throw his clothes around? Or is it all rumor?