TX - Moriah Wilson, Cyclist Fatally Shot Before Race, Austin, #4

[Megnut]

Thing is, KA had contacted MW and asked her to stay away. Would MW not have told CS about those interactions?

You'd think.

But maybe not. We don't know what she was told or what she believed about KA or even what she believed HER relationship with CS was on the day or any of the days prior.

She seemed sincere in her desire go full-tilt on biking, not really in the market for a relationship too. She well could've been holding CS at bay. And not because or even just because of KA's threats. Perhaps all she had time for, space for, interest in was a platonic relationship, regardless of what CS might have or have not been pressing for. She might've taken KA's threat to heart, had no intention of fueling a break up OR gaining one. And found swimming and a quick bite to be wholly tame and not a whit unsafe. Very public, notably.

JMO

 

[Mrspratcher]

Just to be clear incase anyone has misinterpreted my posts. I do not think CS killed Mo, but I certainly do not understand ANY of his behavior, especially the lies he told to police. That to me is beyond “worst boyfriend ever award”. It speaks to his character. In my world, and in my upbringing …people who lie to this extent have extreme character flaws. Dishonesty to this extreme doesn’t get a pass from me. If he is willingly able to lie to police in a murder case, what else is he capable of? JMO

Yes, true. Definitely isn’t someone you can trust with the truth (without having it independently verified).

 

[Seattle1]

Maybe CS never knew that KA knew about MW. So he wasn't going to volunteer to LE (assuming he was asked in front of KA) that he knew MW and had spent the day with her!

I believe HE believed KA didn't know who AW was, where she lived, OR that CS had an ongoing relationship with her, how ever it was defined.

Guessing CS thought his texting covers were clever and held up.

I wonder which moment he realized that the gun from his house, the girlfriend from his house murdered the girl he thought he spent the evening with, in secret successfully.

That had to be a very bad moment.

And also death to inertia.

JMO

^^BBM

Thing is, KA had contacted MW and asked her to stay away. Would MW not have told CS about those interactions?

Actually, it was CS that told investigators that he had a relationship with MW when he and KA were on a relationship break Oct-Nov 2021 and that KA contacted MW during this time and told her she was the party dating him (not her).

I think what KA didn't know was that after they got back together, CS and MW were still in contact-- as of January when a witness said KA was so angry she was trembling and vowed to kill MW. JMO

ETA: add AA passage

 

[BUF]

You'd think.

But maybe not. We don't know what she was told or what she believed about KA or even what she believed HER relationship with CS was on the day or any of the days prior.

She seemed sincere in her desire go full-tilt on biking, not really in the market for a relationship too. She well could've been holding CS at bay. And not because or even just because of KA's threats. Perhaps all she had time for, space for, interest in was a platonic relationship, regardless of what CS might have or have not been pressing for. She might've taken KA's threat to heart, had no intention of fueling a break up OR gaining one. And found swimming and a quick bite to be wholly tame and not a whit unsafe. Very public, notably.

JMO

Yes, she could have thought going swimming and a quick bite to eat in a public place was just a generic get together…no one knows what the responses back and forth were, and what CC said to MW when she zipped home after getting the text from MW about meeting CS, but sounded as though she was concerned enough to go talk to her. As bizarre as KA’s behavior may have been, I don’t think anyone could have thought that KA would actually show up with a gun and gruesomely shoot her to death.

In January, MW did send CS a text wanting to know what was the status of their relationship because her mind was going in circles, so it sounds like she was maybe interested in a relationship. I found the response from CS a string along.

 

[waldojabba]

RSBBM
Great post & excellent questions!

Respectfully, I do have a quarrel with CS being a cheater is "neither here nor there."

What if he hadn't created this triangle and sought to hide it over months even after KA began acting out by monitoring his phone & warning off MW.

"What if"! While perhaps he is not legally culpable in any way (we don't know yet), he's not an innocent bystander either.

Lies, deception, murder. A familiar pattern on these pages.

JMO

Thanks @wingsovertexas ! I agree with you that CS's type of behavior would not be personally acceptable to me in a relationship.
As for any type of culpability on CW's part for MW's murder, we will have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately I have found in my life's experience that cheating is quite commonplace. I have stories that could go on and on. But nobody in any of my stories murdered anyone because of infidelity.
I know you follow the Suzanne Morphew thread. She had an affair. IMO she is in no way cupable in any shape or form for her husband's choice's and someone could say the same about her, What if ? What if she did not have that affair? What if she did not ask for a divorce?
My personal view is that we each have a choice on how to react to others' behavior and we alone are responsible for choosing that behavior. I know others feel differently and I respect their views.
From what we know, it appears that CA alone made the choice to grab that gun and drive over and kill MW. She alone made the choice to murder a woman she did not even know who had a full beautiful life ahead of her. So much collateral damage because of one person's one bad choice. Very sad and tragic all around. ALL JMO

 

[WingsOverTX]

Thanks @wingsovertexas ! I agree with you that CS's type of behavior would not be personally acceptable to me in a relationship.
As for any type of culpability on CW's part for MW's murder, we will have to agree to disagree. Unfortunately I have found in my life's experience that cheating is quite commonplace. I have stories that could go on and on. But nobody in any of my stories murdered anyone because of infidelity.
I know you follow the Suzanne Morphew thread. She had an affair. IMO she is in no way cupable in any shape or form for her husband's choice's and someone could say the same about her, What if ? What if she did not have that affair? What if she did not ask for a divorce?
My personal view is that we each have a choice on how to react to others' behavior and we alone are responsible for choosing that behavior. I know others feel differently and I respect their views.
From what we know, it appears that CA alone made the choice to grab that gun and drive over and kill MW. She alone made the choice to murder a woman she did not even know who had a full beautiful life ahead of her. So much collateral damage because of one person's one bad choice. Very sad and tragic all around. ALL JMO

Yes, indeed. KA and KA alone is responsible for the crime, as far as we know. I'm not sure the Morphew case is one I would compare with this one although I get your point.

It's still an open question as to whether Barry Morphew knew of his wife's affair. KA did know about CS's contact with MW. The third party in Morphew triangle is debatable as the cause of Suzanne asking for a divorce also.

Regardless of the bad acts of others, the ones who chose to commit murder have no reasonable defense in either of these cases IMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

^^BBM

Actually, it was CS that told investigators that he had a relationship with MW when he and KA were on a relationship break Oct-Nov 2021 and that KA contacted MW during this time and told her she was the party dating him (not her).

I think what KA didn't know was that after they got back together, CS and MW were still in contact-- as of January when a witness said KA was so angry she was trembling and vowed to kill MW. JMO

ETA: add AA passage

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Thanks! Now I want to know what MW actually told CS about her interactions with KA. And more importantly, is there digital evidence of such - especially if there were any threats by text, messaging, voicemail, or email.

 

[RickshawFan]

Just to be clear incase anyone has misinterpreted my posts. I do not think CS killed Mo, but I certainly do not understand ANY of his behavior, especially the lies he told to police. That to me is beyond “worst boyfriend ever award”. It speaks to his character. In my world, and in my upbringing …people who lie to this extent have extreme character flaws. Dishonesty to this extreme doesn’t get a pass from me. If he is willingly able to lie to police in a murder case, what else is he capable of? JMO

As in.... maybe he's lying to cover for something we don't know happened?

 

[Kemug]

I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that he lied to LE about knowing Mo to begin with. What was he trying to hide from LE by denying he even knew Mo? Who does that? Not a completely innocent person.

RSBM
A coward, that's who.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Was he questioned in front of KA? Not disputing, just confirming. If so, I agree, it’s even crazier that he would lie about even knowing MW, unless he was protecting KA. Why not say yes, I know her - we dated briefly, and had moved to being platonic friends / fellow cyclists.

jmo

I guess he wanted to just pick one lie, not two? Because neither is true, IMO.

 

[WingsOverTX]

You'd think.

But maybe not. We don't know what she was told or what she believed about KA or even what she believed HER relationship with CS was on the day or any of the days prior.

She seemed sincere in her desire go full-tilt on biking, not really in the market for a relationship too. She well could've been holding CS at bay. And not because or even just because of KA's threats. Perhaps all she had time for, space for, interest in was a platonic relationship, regardless of what CS might have or have not been pressing for. She might've taken KA's threat to heart, had no intention of fueling a break up OR gaining one. And found swimming and a quick bite to be wholly tame and not a whit unsafe. Very public, notably.

JMO

RBBM
I seriously doubt MW was that naive.

I really believe both she & CS knew they were escalating potential conflict between any combo of the three of them by going out when KA's immature behavior toward both was known by each if not both (likely both).

Unsafe? Maybe not. Unwise? Very, very.

I actually think it being public makes it worse from KA's perspective. But....

JUST MY OPINION

 

[WingsOverTX]

Throughout this thread, I have been interested by the discussion of CS’s role in the whole affair (pun intended!). Once again, WS reminds me that we all have wildly different expectations and interpretations of the same behavior.

While IMO, CS would be a pretty solid candidate for ‘worst boyfriend of the year’ - its very interesting to me that others (if I understand their posts properly) veer into the idea of CS as instigator / perhaps mildly culpable. For me, this just isn’t the case.

IMO, KA’s response was miles beyond proportional to any harm done to her by CS (let alone Mo!)

RBBM
That's a good point except KA's unhinged response was not to a one-time event but to ongoing lies and deception with multiple contacts between CS & MW.

KA allowed CS to push her buttons. But it was ongoing and maybe even more frequent than publicly available information reveals.

Of course murder is miles beyond proportional.

But I will never be convinced CS didn't know exactly the game he was playing & exactly the fire he was lighting even if he didn't know murder would result. YMMV.

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Yes. Maybe Cofer is right, that there’s a lot more to this story than being told. I know LE ruled CS out as a suspect in Mo’s killing, and I don’t think he had anything to do with the murder, but I’m stuck on the fact that he lied to police.

Also, wasn’t it reported that KA confronted Mo at the bike race in Arkansas the end of Jan/beginning of Feb this year? Colin apologized to Mo in a text for making her uncomfortable by saying something like it wasn’t a good idea that he had brought KA along to the race. Shortly after that KA started following Mo on Instagram.

CS was very much aware that KA knew about Mo and that KA had a problem with them staying in contact.

For all we know, KA and CS may have been up half the night having a heated argument after KA returned from murdering Mo. KA could have begun accusing CS of lying about taking flowers to a friend and demanding to know where he spent his evening.

Following that kind of evening, I could see CS not wanting to recall the beautiful racer when first approached -- especially if KA was within earshot.

Also, I suspect that at the time CS denied he knew MW, he was unaware that she was deceased. I think he probably learned this after he arrived APD police station that morning, and from that point on, CS was nothing but cooperative. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

RBBM
Can we be sure of this? We have only an arrest affidavit & MSM to confirm anything. I think he is still "spinning tales" to this day & couldn't be relied on to tell any "truth" except one that benefits himself. After all, wasn't he the one who early on & fairly immediately expressed "torture about my proximity to this horrible crime."

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem about people like him: "Tell the truth but tell it slant."

MOO

^^BBM
Huh? Since when are the AA/Warrants not the best sources for factual info? I don't think my suspicion/opinion is unreasonable or without basis: we know from both AA and search warrants that MW was pronounced deceased on 5/11, shortly after 10 pm, and authorities first approached CS at his home on 5/12, shortly after 9 AM. Also, APD has since seemed to go out of its way to confirm CS was cooperative and not a suspect.

ETA: I recently posted APD press statement where MW's name was not released until 5/14.

Last para. AA:

 

[Charlot123]

Yes. Maybe Cofer is right, that there’s a lot more to this story than being told. I know LE ruled CS out as a suspect in Mo’s killing, and I don’t think he had anything to do with the murder, but I’m stuck on the fact that he lied to police.

Also, wasn’t it reported that KA confronted Mo at the bike race in Arkansas the end of Jan/beginning of Feb this year? Colin apologized to Mo in a text for making her uncomfortable by saying something like it wasn’t a good idea that he had brought KA along to the race. Shortly after that KA started following Mo on Instagram.

CS was very much aware that KA knew about Mo and that KA had a problem with them staying in contact.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think CS knew that while Mo was attracted to him, he was not in her long-term cards. He might have hoped for more, but he probably knew. And behaved accordingly, returning to KA back from the bike races to carry on the relationship that he was not interested in any longer. But - with KA, there was a common life of 3 years, and that business of his that he hoped to make profitable. It is not an easy situation because at 35, while a champion, CS knew there were not too many years of race-winning ahead of him, so he was pushed to make that business profitable (a hopeless idea, in my mind, but I don’t know much about Spartan wagons). So he needed KA, with the websites and whatever she was doing.

So I think when he said “no”, to the police, he lied, but he was trying to avoid precisely what has happened, the scandal that dragged down his career and life that he constructed.

Another interesting question is, imagine KA killed Mo but didn’t get on the camera? No scandal. Would CS still be living with KA now, suspecting that she might be a murderer?

 

[Charlot123]

RBBM
I seriously doubt MW was that naive.

I really believe both she & CS knew they were escalating potential conflict between any combo of the three of them by going out when KA's immature behavior toward both was known by each if not both (likely both).

Unsafe? Maybe not. Unwise? Very, very.

I actually think it being public makes it worse from KA's perspective. But....

JUST MY OPINION

Maybe I am more indulgent to MW and CS because I don’t see one parameter here.

Mo is definitely not a home wrecker.

I don’t know if what CS and KA had was a home, but I see Mo and CS traveling on parallel courses. They don’t fly to a third city to secretly meet; maybe they have “flings” during races, but it is not transforming into a whirlwind, all-consuming, affair. Even that fateful last meeting: went to a swimming pool, ate, then each went home. (So, people who could control their passion?).

Mo was 10 years younger. Definitely not lacking in admirers around. Just ascending in her career. JMO - with a better future ahead of her than CS (who I see as naturally gifted, but starting at a different point). If we are to judge Mo, think of how long (since very young youth is not childhood) and how hard she was working at her career. Such people are usually planners. KA might have thought Mo was a threat to her relationship. Personally, I feel CS was not a continual part of MO’s life. JMO.

For any other situation, CS playing with fire would mean: “dude, if KA leaves, who will be working at your websites?”. But it is just CS’s tough luck that his sunny-looking girlfriend, apparently, belonged in Bedlam.

 

[darkstar105]

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem about people like him: "Tell the truth but tell it slant."

MOO

Oh, Emily Dickinson wrote a poem about people like him, all right.

A narrow Fellow in the Grass (1096)

A narrow Fellow in the Grass Occasionally rides - You may have met him? Did you not His notice instant is - The Grass divides as with a Comb, A spotted Shaft is seen, And then it closes at your Feet And opens further on - He likes a Boggy Acre - A Floor too cool for Corn - But when a Boy and…

www.poetryfoundation.org

 

[mrjitty]

For all we know, KA and CS may have been up half the night having a heated argument after KA returned from murdering Mo. KA could have begun accusing CS of lying about taking flowers to a friend and demanding to know where he spent his evening.

Following that kind of evening, I could see CS not wanting to recall the beautiful racer when first approached -- especially if KA was within earshot.

Also, I suspect that at the time CS denied he knew MW, he was unaware that she was deceased. I think he probably learned this after he arrived APD police station that morning, and from that point on, CS was nothing but cooperative. MOO

Good post @Seattle1

I think it is important to remember that just because CS was being deceptive about something, does not mean he was trying to deceive them about murder.

Following on from your reply to me, I'd be interested to understand the history of KA's behaviour. One suspects we will find more examples of abusive and controlling behaviour.

Usually in these cases the perp is male, and the target the domestic partner.

However I have seen examples where the abusive actor is female, and the targets are multiple (e.g siblings)

It may be the case that though MW is murdered, the actual target of KA's toxic behaviour was CS.

 

[BUF]

Good post @Seattle1

I think it is important to remember that just because CS was being deceptive about something, does not mean he was trying to deceive them about murder.

Following on from your reply to me, I'd be interested to understand the history of KA's behaviour. One suspects we will find more examples of abusive and controlling behaviour.

Usually in these cases the perp is male, and the target the domestic partner.

However I have seen examples where the abusive actor is female, and the targets are multiple (e.g siblings)

It may be the case that though MW is murdered, the actual target of KA's toxic behaviour was CS.

Actually your statement about how CS was maybe the target of KA’s toxic behavior resulting in MW’s murder has crossed my mind several times…a few reasons why…

MW at 25 was a rising star in this niche sport that CS also seemed to love. Even the interview at APD that CS had, he went into glowing detail about MW and her potential (after he came clean about even knowing her)…while he described KA as someone who would hold him back and didn’t want to even ride with her.

According to CS, he gave KA $450K in investment funds, which he could have gotten from refinancing his home that had drastically increased in value from when he initially purchased it….but now that had to be repaid.

After MW was murdered, CS seemed to loose all but one of his sponsors.

CS was the last person to be seen with MW…and in a very visible place with lots of people.

CS was the one who purchased the guns…btw, which KA seemed to sneak back into the house to where the guns were kept.

 

[hurryhome]

I wonder which moment he realized that the gun from his house, the girlfriend from his house murdered the girl he thought he spent the evening with, in secret successfully.

That had to be a very bad moment.

^^ BBM

Why I want to see initial questioning videos so badly!