TX - Multiple Dallas Police Officers shot during downtown protest, 7/7/16

[galiuro]

Excellent article from HuffPo....

Don’t Blame Black Lives Matter For The Deaths Of Dallas Cops

Statement from BLM:

"However, just because the movement aims to end police violence against black lives does NOT mean it encourages violence against police by black people. Black Lives Matter has never, ever insinuated that other lives don’t."

"Let’s be clear: Black Lives Matter is an organization that spreads love, not hate ― and it condemns violence altogether. We should focus our energy on remembering those who have lost their lives to gun violence, both this week and every other. We must destroy vicious ideology that claims the Dallas shooting promotes a “race war” in any way. We must not compromise the integrity of a movement that deserves respect. We must figure out how to use our anger as fuel and identify actionable ways to bring about peace in a world where chaos seems to dominate. We must stand together in solidarity, even (and especially) as we mourn, to help spread unity and bring about peace." More at link.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...hs-of-dallas-cops_us_577f9409e4b01edea78d6514

So I'm confused...I thought there was no centralized Black Lives Matter that spoke for the whole movement...so how can they say 'we' and speak for the movement as a whole?

 

[CARIIS]

Do you all think there was really only one person??

A rifle , I am asking, is the kind you have to keep putting bullets in correct?

I am wondering if they are just switching the tale to only one cause they did not catch anyone else??

How can they be saying there were three people in the garage that started at the same time, from idfferent locations , yet today say he is the only one??

 

[ninij9]

And also the 911 dispatchers.

I can't even imagine how helpless they felt listening to the calls from their colleagues in distress. I will absolutely add them to my thoughts. Ty.

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[ninij9]

Just to make you feel a little better. Don't know if it's already been posted. I always seem to be late to the party!


http://https://www.facebook.com/CBSDFW/videos/1239905219365945/

Awesome!!!!

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[animlzrule]

What???? How about none of it would happen unless some maniac decided to arm himself with an assault rifle and hunt the police!

How are so many people here acting like this was called for? How about the victims are VICTIMS and don't have any role in this other than being a victim.

What the actual eff.

I believe the killer from last night was triggered by the shootings over the previous 24 hours. If not for those killings, I don't believe these
police officers would be dead today. You've misunderstood my post. If you're reading more into it, I don't know what to tell you. I, for one, never said this attack was called for, and I've not seen anyone on this thread insinuate it either.

 

[SCHMAE]

Just to make you feel a little better. Don't know if it's already been posted. I always seem to be late to the party!


http://https://www.facebook.com/CBSDFW/videos/1239905219365945/

Love it ! I saw a Mexican food restaurant in Ft Worth ( sister city to dallas for those who don't know ) offering free meals to any officer from any city today and tomorrow !

 

[Elley Mae]

Johnson's Facebook account included the names Fahed Hassen and Richard GRIFFIN or Professor Griff, the Dallas Police Department said in the statement. GRIFFIN, who embraces a "radical form of Afrocentrism," police said, also authored a book titled A Warrior's Tapestry.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/07/08/multiple-snipers-dallas/86839430/


'Loner' Dallas gunman had bomb materials, kept journal of combat tactics

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-police-shooting-20160708-snap-story.html

At one point, the gunman had told officials “the end is coming, and he’s going to hurt and kill more of us,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said.

bbm

 

[animlzrule]

So I'm confused...I thought there was no centralized Black Lives Matter that spoke for the whole movement...so how can they say 'we' and speak for the movement as a whole?

The fact that there is no centralized BLM was a poster's assertion.

 

[DexterMorgan]

It seems like since the DC snipers didn't discriminate against who they shot; Then it was okay.

But people forget that the shootings were to help cover the attempted murder of the older guys wife at first. Jmo.

So its okay if the killer targets all. But America must argue if the killer goes after a certain group. Wth.

There are gang members that killed more people than this guy.

But. They are just killers.

Wow.

So imo. All Lives Matter. And let's stop the only advocating when certain killings happen.

Jmo.

 

[ninij9]

Do you all think there was really only one person??

A rifle , I am asking, is the kind you have to keep putting bullets in correct?

I am wondering if they are just switching the tale to only one cause they did not catch anyone else??

How can they be saying there were three people in the garage that started at the same time, from idfferent locations , yet today say he is the only one??

I know right? What happened to the female they apprehended? Anyone?

On the one hand, a lone psychopathic killer makes me feel much more comfortable because he's gone now. But the idea that one person could catch so many officers off guard and actually hit 12 of them is also really scary.

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[Bravo]

Given what was found in his home I wonder if he had a bigger plan? Events unfolded and he took action sooner than later? This is horrific enough but it makes me wonder if he had something much bigger in the works.

 

[animlzrule]

It seems like since the DC snipers didn't discriminate against who they shot; Then it was okay.

But people forget that the shootings were to help cover the attempted murder of the older guys wife at first. Jmo.

So its okay if the killer targets all. But America must argue if the killer goes after a certain group. Wth.

There are gang members that killed more people than this guy.

But. They are just killers.

Wow.

So imo. All Lives Matter. And let's stop the only advocating when certain killings happen.

Jmo.

Again, all lives DO matter. POC are just asking to be included in that philosophy because as history, and contemporary society has shown, they are not.

 

[Montjoy]

Police shootings both justifiable and non-justifiable kill less people than mass shooters do every year.

rsbm

Source? I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this.

ETA: You are incorrect.

2015 deaths in mass shootings: 475 Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2015-the-year-of-mass-shootings/

2015 deaths by LEOs: 965 Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/in...f-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

So, more than twice as many are killed by the police than by mass shooters.

 

[faw720]

Context and history - if cops quit shooting AA that are not be threatening this will cool down casue / effect

BLM did not arise in a vacuum - it exists cause there was , night after night, watching cops kill AA males.....

Cops don't just kill AA males. Last year they shot an elderly white man in Fort Worth in his own garage. A bad cop is a bad cop is a bad cop!! A bad cop is a danger to his brothers in blue, 99.9% of whom are the best of the best & give their lives daily to keep all of us safe!! As an elderly person with a very heavy foot, I've had more than my share of traffic stops. The majority of officers were very courteous & I knew very well that I deserved the speeding ticket. However, 3 officers that I can think of couldn't have been more aggressive if I had had bloody dead bodies draped all over my car. They had attitudes that made my blood boil!! Bad cops are the cause of things that happen like last night's tragedy. It's definitely not all a black/white thing......it's a bad cop thing that causes the problems!!

 

[DanceCard]

I'm on the other side of the pond and I need some sleep. I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow.

I'm sorry that yet again - and so soon after last time - WSers have had to come together on a thread such as this. It feels to me like our world has gone crazy this past few years and is getting worse.

To those of you who are from Dallas, I first visited the city around 25 years ago. It was my first overseas work trip alone. I was very anxious about it. Everyone I met in the area - hotel staff, work colleagues, restaurant servers, people working in the stores, even taxi drivers (!), - all of those people were so warm and welcoming to me. They made me feel comfortable and less like a scared person in a different country.
So ever since then, I've had a soft spot for the Dallas/Fort Worth area and its people. It was heartbreaking to wake up to this terrible news this morning.

RIP to all who have so senselessly lost their lives when they were out there doing their job, and of course my thoughts are with their families, friends, loved ones.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Folks. Imo. This has nothing to do with BLM just like The club killing had nothing to do with isis.

The killers simply didn't like a group of people and used the name of other organizations to feel more justified or for newsworthy sake. Jmo.

Has a sniper ever showed up on a Jessie Jackson or AL Sharpton or a Malcolm X protest to solely shoot cops.

No. Jmo.

Some are saying he had a machine gun, do you know where that came from. He had a semi-automatic rifle and not a machine gun.

I am not so sure about that Dexter. He specifically mentioned BLM for a reason. I imagine he might be like the other executioner who shot Officer Golforth (sp?) multiple times when he was at the gas station pumping gas into his police car. That man had gone to one of the BLM protest and iirc he was following social media sites where posters were calling for the deaths of white police officers.

The only ones I have ever seen show up at rallies with long guns and ammo strapped across their chest were at the New Black Panther rallies.

IMO

 

[ninij9]

Cops don't just kill AA males. Last year they shot an elderly white man in Fort Worth in his own garage. A bad cop is a bad cop is a bad cop!! A bad cop is a danger to his brothers in blue, 99.9% of whom are the best of the best & give their lives daily to keep all of us safe!! As an elderly person with a very heavy foot, I've had more than my share of traffic stops. The majority of officers were very courteous & I knew very well that I deserved the speeding ticket. However, 3 officers that I can think of couldn't have been more aggressive if I had had bloody dead bodies draped all over my car. They had attitudes that made my blood boil!! Bad cops are the cause of things that happen like last night's tragedy. It's definitely not all a black/white thing......it's a bad cop thing that causes the problems!!

I agree with everything you said...except for that last little but about bad cops causing last night's shooting. A crazy effing gunman caused last night's shooting. No one else. But everything else you said was awesome.

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[Magdalyn]

Last night look at all the time and energy wasted on this - if it was not legal for him to walk around in public with machine gun ................

Respectfully, I suspect, since he planned on killing people, which is obviously illegal, whether it was legal or not to open carry would make little difference to him.

Also, respectfully, he didn't have a machine gun (a fully automatic gun.) He had a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun. Both of which will only fire once per trigger pull.

Not talking gun control, just trying to clarify his weapons.

 

[CARIIS]

Know what just struck me. Thirty years ago, someone who broke the law, when "freeze" was yelled, and they did, cause they wanted to remain alive.


Not so much any longer, most want death, nor dont care about being alive, so in any context, an entity trying to stop it - is actually powerless

like suicidal bombers totally nothing anyone can do to prevent anyone from doing anything bad if their plan from the get go is to be dead...

I think the guy last night truly knew it was the end of his life before he proceeded - how could he not, he was gonna go murder cops pretty given outcome no?

What were they "really" talking about all that time??

it truly is powerlessness

 

[Everyday Grace]

Do you all think there was really only one person??

A rifle , I am asking, is the kind you have to keep putting bullets in correct?

I am wondering if they are just switching the tale to only one cause they did not catch anyone else??

How can they be saying there were three people in the garage that started at the same time, from idfferent locations , yet today say he is the only one??

Ammunition for a semi-automatic SKS rifle can be loaded in magazines that hold 10, 20 or 30 rounds. (I think 30 round magazines for an SKS may be less reliable, ie jamming) but not 100% on that.

Semi-automatic function is fundamentally moot without the capacity for the weapon to hold multiple rounds. Possible he did reload, but it would be a simple matter of switching a pre-loaded magazine for an empty one.

I have no reason to believe that DPD would "switch a tale" regarding these events. None.

Initial reports are often confused, conflicting, and in the end, sometimes erroneous. "Fog of war."

Physical evidence collected at the vast crime scene gives them an indication of how many weapons were fired at police officers. Bullets removed during autopsies/medical treatment, stray bullets that hit police cars, or otherwise missed their intended targets, can be matched to his rifle or his handgun.

As they collect and compile evidence, they can make a determination as to how many shooters.

When initial assumptions are made, they have far less firm information and evidence to go on.

Immediacy presents the necessity to make early assumptions that may later prove to be wrong.