Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020

[Falling Down]

because ft.hood is huge and you could be on a certain side of it and technically be right next to Belton. I have friends who lived in Belton towards BLORA about 10 years ago and they were right next to base.

This is great information, thanks.

Reminds me of Bragg, which is huge, too. Pope AFB is nearby, too.

I remember looking at a classic car that was located by both bases, you could hear activity at both.

Plausible a cell tower in Belton could pick up a signal from the base.

 

[GordianKnot]

I agree re: the ping. We've been through this before as sleuthers, false or misleading info early on.

MOO is she never left the base, or didn't leave alive, but that's just MOO.

My guess would be we won't hear any additional relevant info about this intriguing case until CID releases it and/or does a presser at the base.

BBM:

Glad someone brought up press conferences.

Normally, in an active missing persons case, I'd interpret the lack of any sort of presser as a strong indication that LE already has a good idea of what's happened, and that they really don't need the public's assistance to solve it.

I'm not sure how to interpret the lack of a presser in this case, though, because I'm not sure how transparent the military is when a case involves an active service member.

Would CID do a pc in this situation if they had reason to suspect VG had been taken off base?

Does CID ever do pressers in active missing persons cases, does anyone know?

JMO.

 

[Falling Down]

Would someone have come to relieve her for her lunch break? Are there any arms or ammo missing from the armory?
Second question is rhetorical as I know I’m not privy to the information but I’m seriously wondering...

I anything from the armory had come up missing, the whole base would be locked down.

 

[irridescentmoon]

Would someone have come to relieve her for her lunch break? Are there any arms or ammo missing from the armory?
Second question is rhetorical as I know I’m not privy to the information but I’m seriously wondering...

I don't know how the Army works, but I'm pretty sure someone had to relieve her if she was off to lunch.
As far as we know, the Army hasn't said a peep about missing weapons. Who knows. If a weapon was missing, they would have to have placed the base on full lockdown, until they found the suspect. But it makes you wonder, since they didn't initially post about her missing until 2 days later.

Edit** I'd like to also add that if indeed a weapon was taken, there hasn't been any reports of shots fired. I mean, I know Ft Hood is huge, so perhaps a shot could've still happened without anyone hearing, but that's the thing that gets me.

She has literally disappeared without a trace, on a military installation where there are few cars on the road, eyes everywhere, and limited access. This why it makes me believe it's definitely another soldier as a suspect.

 

[Falling Down]

Houston media report:

Houston family of missing Fort Hood soldier desperate for answers

 

[Falling Down]

Re: troop accountability

I mentioned "two per day" up thread regarding normal troop accountability checks, actually I'd say minimum of 4 per day for most service members who have more of a "typical" work day.

 

[Backstroke10]

JMO
It is a little unusual to me how quick the alarm was raised by BF and then the sister. Maybe they both had daily interactions with her which made it unusual to them when they could not get ahold of her.

For me and my wife, we joke here that we could die in our home and nobody from our families would know or care until about a month or two from not hearing from us. Or maybe even longer.

3 out of 4 of our parents are no longer alive, and we just dont have that much interaction with our siblings like others may with their family members.

That is why it is so surprising to me how quick they raised the alarm. It was just hours and they started to get concerned.

I read somewhere that the boyfriend sent texts that showed “not delivered”. He alerted the sister and the sister also tried texting her. The sister’s text messages also showed “not delivered”. This is what raised the alarm.

 

[Lusitana]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it even be possible for her to leave the base without being seen on camera? Also, I'm assuming she's seen on camera at some point if they're being able to give a time when she was last seen.

 

[MntnHiker]

"While she seemed happy to finally getting back closer to home, but something seemed off as of late.

"She didn't give an exact reason why," Mayra said. "I don't know if it's the people there. I don't know if it's the environment. I honestly don't know."

Houston family of missing Fort Hood soldier desperate for answers

Hmm. Well this info from Mayra is concerning IMO. Could it be someone had been harassing her, bothering her, stalking her, etc?

 

[Boxer]

Would someone have come to relieve her for her lunch break? Are there any arms or ammo missing from the armory?
Second question is rhetorical as I know I’m not privy to the information but I’m seriously wondering...

The minute she didn't return from lunch she was missing. And the military gets right on missing soldiers.
We won't know what investigators know, so armory status is unknown, apparently she was an accountability clerk, I saw somewhere she was in charge of inventory and issuing.
Actually a very stressful position as a missing weapon will end someone's career.

 

[GordianKnot]

Found this on the FAQ page of the Army's CID website:

https://www.cid.army.mil/faq.html

SABBM:

As a matter of policy, CID does not confirm when someone is the subject or suspect of an ongoing criminal investigation due to the person’s Constitutional due process and Privacy Act rights. To prevent premature speculation about a case, when CID conducts an investigation, special agents are obligated to protect the integrity of those investigations by not discussing the details of ongoing investigations. Additionally, some of the reasons why CID does not release this information is to prevent “suspects” from destroying possible evidence, fleeing the area and to prevent witness tampering. CID investigates allegations of wrongdoing and once an investigation is completed, turns those findings over to the appropriate command and legal authority for disposition and adjudication. Once a person is charged with a crime, that information is beyond the purview or control of CID. It's also important to note that an allegation of wrongdoing or the fact that an investigation has been opened does not necessarily in and of itself imply guilt or innocence.
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Based on this, I don't think we're going to hear anything at all until an arrest is made.

 

[AXW]

Im

Twice per day when I was in the Corps, unless there was extra duty/hours involved, troop movements, etc. Accountability is a big deal in the military, particularly during normal work days.

I’m talking about right now, because of the COVID19. Soldiers are being checked once a day for accountability

 

[Boxer]

because ft.hood is huge and you could be on a certain side of it and technically be right next to Belton. I have friends who lived in Belton towards BLORA about 10 years ago and they were right next to base.

I looked at Belton and it looks like gate village outside of east Ft.Hood.
Ft. Hood rec areas are on Lake Belton. The WS Young Gate (east most gate) goes right into Killen and then Belton.

Also found this on the covid measures in force at Ft. Hood. The were on essential travels
III Corps and Fort Hood issues shelter-in-place orders, curfew

 

[Boxer]

Im


I’m talking about right now, because of the COVID19. Soldiers are being checked once a day for accountability

You mean they are less accountable now because of Covid, only being accounted for once a day? I think it is likely the same.

Everywhere a soldier is to report to, PT, Morning Formation, Work, Evening Formation their presence is confirmed by a roll call. Being absent anywhere is a cause for alarm.
When she was more than a few minutes late at the armory from lunch MOO the SOP was to initiate a call to the HQ, and the HQ ordered a detail to go look for her, probably starting in the barracks.

 

[ab01]

To me bc of it being broad daylight public parking area etc she almost had to have at least initially went with someone willingly.

coworker doing something to her while in the armory just doesn’t jive imo, I can’t see a way to conceal and remove her.

I’m leaning to Thinking The Who and where will likely be someone she knows on base but The where will be likely an on base residence imo

At least that’s the side of the fence I’m on currently.

Not that it really matters in regards to sleuthing in this case bc we are unlikely to have pieces to put together as it goes anyways

. Instead the next Verified info we get will likely be the whole framed puzzle.

I don’t think we can even expect to get information from the family as it doesn’t seem like CID is telling them anything either

 

[MimosaMornings]

"While she seemed happy to finally getting back closer to home, but something seemed off as of late.

"She didn't give an exact reason why," Mayra said. "I don't know if it's the people there. I don't know if it's the environment. I honestly don't know."

Houston family of missing Fort Hood soldier desperate for answers

Hmm. Well this info from Mayra is concerning IMO. Could it be someone had been harassing her, bothering her, stalking her, etc?

Something seemed off. She didn’t give an exact reason why?
So her sister asked her what was wrong or troubling her, off - and got a answer, but didn’t pinpoint anything or anyone.

Talking about her wedding, so she was engaged? Starting to plan her wedding?

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Her personal items that were left at the armory, were they secured in some way? Or accessible to others?

 

[California Sunset]

Who claims to have seen her last in that parking lot? More than one person? Because if I had something to do with someone being harmed, I'd probably say I saw her last with someone else or in some other place.
I said originally the armory should have been searched thoroughly immediately and I still believe that. Rule that place out first. Maybe they did search it thoroughly and that's what took time to raise an alert.

 

[California Sunset]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but would it even be possible for her to leave the base without being seen on camera? Also, I'm assuming she's seen on camera at some point if they're being able to give a time when she was last seen.

She could leave the base without being seen if someone stuffed her in their trunk. Just not of her own free will.

 

[California Sunset]

To me bc of it being broad daylight public parking area etc she almost had to have at least initially went with someone willingly.

coworker doing something to her while in the armory just doesn’t jive imo, I can’t see a way to conceal and remove her.

I’m leaning to Thinking The Who and where will likely be someone she knows on base but The where will be likely an on base residence imo

At least that’s the side of the fence I’m on currently.

Not that it really matters in regards to sleuthing in this case bc we are unlikely to have pieces to put together as it goes anyways

. Instead the next Verified info we get will likely be the whole framed puzzle.

I don’t think we can even expect to get information from the family as it doesn’t seem like CID is telling them anything either

Things happen to females more often than you might think on post. Things happen in the barracks. One female was killed in her room and her roommate was supposedly only gone a half an hour. (I don't know the resolution of that death.)
But females can be being harassed by more than one person at a time, and some of them refuse to take 'no' for an answer. Depending on the female, the outcome of these problems can be terrible for the female.
I'm not saying they don't happen to males, as well, but the females are more susceptible.
This is the way I saw it.