TX - Police officer resigns after violent detention of teenage girl

[DeDee]

I'm sorry, but that doesn't give him the right to put his hands on them, and sling them around like they were rag dolls.

Nice description of what we see here. It wouldn't be my daughter speaking back to a PO. However, had she been mine, I would have flipped over the needless use of physical power the PO exhibited. Did he have the right to ask her to put her face on the ground? I know she should not have been talking at that point. I would have been asking for my mother!

 

[KaaBoom]

Is it possible that the issues that seem to be becoming more prevalent is because so many military who have been trained in the past 15 years or so are now leaving the military and becoming LEO?

I think you hit the nail on the head. First we train these people to go overseas, and fight and kill. Then we bring them back here and hire them as police officers. Is how they act really a surprise? Thats what they have been trained to do, fighting and killing.

If this country is ever going to get past this type of thing and become more civilized, we are going to have to change our culture.

 

[katydid23]

Valid question....was she not allowed to go back to the pool? As for the profanity,again that isn't enough to warrant being thrown to the ground and put in cuffs.IMO

NO, at that point the pool was closed down and everyone was asked to leave.

And no, profanity should not get one thrown to the ground. But it is sad that a 14 yr old can stand and shout curse words and insults at an officer, and no one finds it problematic.

 

[katydid23]

Link please.

I have linked it about 6 times already.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/us/mckinney-texas-pool-video/

 

[katydid23]

I think you hit the nail on the head. First we train these people to go overseas, and fight and kill. Then we bring them back here and hire them as police officers. Is how they act really a surprise? Thats what they have been trained to do, fighting and killing.

If this country is ever going to get past this type of thing and become more civilized, we are going to have to change our culture.

Speaking of needing to change our culture, I worked in an inner city school for many years. I think there could be a change of culture there in terms of lack of respect for authority. It is a two way street, imo.

 

[kimlynn]

NO, at that point the pool was closed down and everyone was asked to leave.

And no, profanity should not get one thrown to the ground. But it is sad that a 14 yr old can stand and shout curse words and insults at an officer, and no one finds it problematic.

First I have heard about the pool being closed and I have been following this since yesterday. I didn't hear her say any curse words other than possibly saying 'stop talking ****
Are you okay with the officer cursing at the youths? He was the adult authority figure and trained to treat citizens with respect.
You get what you give. IMO

 

[EllieBee]

NO, at that point the pool was closed down and everyone was asked to leave.

And no, profanity should not get one thrown to the ground. But it is sad that a 14 yr old can stand and shout curse words and insults at an officer, and no one finds it problematic.

I find it problematic that a so-called peace officer, supposedly trained in law enforcement, thought that tossing a 14-year-old girl to the ground was justifiable because she said bad words to him and he got butt-hurt. Are we serious, here?

A teenager is disrespectful? OMG! Shocker!

So a trained officer beats her down and that'll teach her not to mouth off?

Only a total moron would think this is okay.

 

[katydid23]

First I have heard about the pool being closed and I have been following this since yesterday. I didn't hear her say any curse words other than possibly saying 'stop talking ****
Are you okay with the officer cursing at the youths? He was the adult authority figure and trained to treat citizens with respect.
You get what you give. IMO

I saw a picture of the pool gate with POOL CLOSED on it on CNN yesterday. I just now googled to try and find it but have not seen it yet.

But doesn't it make sense the pool would have been closed at that point? It was already about 8 pm.

 

[Leilei]

I find it problematic that a so-called peace officer, supposedly trained in law enforcement, thought that tossing a 14-year-old girl to the ground was justifiable because she said bad words to him and he got butt-hurt. Are we serious, here?

A teenager is disrespectful? OMG! Shocker!

So a trained officer beats her down and that'll teach her not to mouth off?

Only a total moron would think this is okay.

I was just thinking that if assaulting a teenager and waving your gun around is your solution to dealing with mouthy teens, then being in law enforcement is probably not a wise career choice. IMO, though.

 

[katydid23]

I find it problematic that a so-called peace officer, supposedly trained in law enforcement, thought that tossing a 14-year-old girl to the ground was justifiable because she said bad words to him and he got butt-hurt. Are we serious, here?

A teenager is disrespectful? OMG! Shocker!

So a trained officer beats her down and that'll teach her not to mouth off?

Only a total moron would think this is okay.

The 'kids' were reportedly drinking and smoking pot, which is why the security cops were so upset and called the cops. ALL of the various blogs and websites have reported that.

 

[katydid23]

Well, nobody said "go back to your McMansion". They said "go back to your section 8 housing".

Supposedly, ONE lady said that. I have no proof of that. If we can report that then we can also report that the gate crashers were drinking and smoking pot, which is why the parents were so upset.

 

[katydid23]

First I have heard about the pool being closed and I have been following this since yesterday. I didn't hear her say any curse words other than possibly saying 'stop talking ****
Are you okay with the officer cursing at the youths? He was the adult authority figure and trained to treat citizens with respect.
You get what you give. IMO

The melee went on for 45 minutes PRIOR to this tape. In her own interview she talks about being angry at the security guards and arguing with them because she felt they were not bothering the white kids at the pool, just her friends. So it sounds like things amped up for awhile before LE arrived.

I worked at an inner city high school. The cursing was so over the top that it hurt my ears. I doubt the kids were affected by the words 'get your butt or your arse out of here...' They say and hear much worse, imo.

 

[Falcon500]

When is the last time you saw the networks show a tape of a police officer doing something heroic?

 

[kimlynn]

The melee went on for 45 minutes PRIOR to this tape. In her own interview she talks about being angry at the security guards and arguing with them because she felt they were not bothering the white kids at the pool, just her friends. So it sounds like things amped up for awhile before LE arrived.

I worked at an inner city high school. The cursing was so over the top that it hurt my ears. I doubt the kids were affected by the words 'get your butt or your arse out of here...' They say and hear much worse, imo.

The point I was making in an earlier post is that the officer used a more polite term to the youth filming than he did with the other group of youths. They may indeed hear worse and even use such terminology but how did he help the situation with his actions?
Seems to me he was the one out of control and I hope that charges are filed against him for the way he treated that young girl for no cause that I can figure out.

 

[Montjoy]

Something I have been wondering about...and I guess this is as good a place as any to bring this up. If there is a "good" place...

I really hope this doesn't come out wrong - because I mean no disrespect to either group.

Is it possible that the issues that seem to be becoming more prevalent is because so many military who have been trained in the past 15 years or so are now leaving the military and becoming LEO?

I am asking these questions

1. Is this true?

If so, seems to me that being in the military and serving during wartime, in enemy territory...and serving your community need to have very different mindsets.

2. Could these mindsets of former military who have been fighting enemy combatants for several tours be something that just isn't necessary for LEO??

Again, I am asking...because it is something I am curious about. I am not making any accusations and I really don't want to offend anyone. I hope that any responses are sent in the manner that I am sending this...

Good questions, I mean that.

First off, there are probably more ex-military now than there ever were, partly because the rate of re-enlistment has gone down, not just in the USA. Also, there are many jobs in the military that do not train you for many other jobs afterwards, especially since there have been more civilian contractors employed.

As well, starting probably in the 90's, some law enforcement agencies increasingly adapted some urban combat styles of engagement. I can definitely understand why. It started with the SWAT type teams and then filtered down. The knowledge on how to deal with some problems is nothing but a good thing, but it's been suggested that perhaps the mindset could create some problems, especially since even when there are bad addresses in a troubled urban environment, it's not the same as being in a war zone. (I'm not trying to ignore risk here -- but it's not the same.)

 

[Montjoy]

Supposedly, ONE lady said that. I have no proof of that. If we can report that then we can also report that the gate crashers were drinking and smoking pot, which is why the parents were so upset.

Oh, someone's allegedly drinking or smoking pot? I'd better throw her down to the ground and shove my knee into her spine.

 

[CoolJ]

I think the cop was wrong, but so was she. She was asked to leave the premises, as everyone was asked to do. And she doubled back and returned, against the cops orders. It was not a crime, but it was going against his orders.

SHE IS A FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL. HE IS A PAID PROFESSIONAL WHO HAS BEEN GRANTED AUTHORITY, WHICH HE ABUSED.

If something like this happened to my daughter and I was there, that donkey would have gotten his teeth kicked in. JMO

 

[teedie2]

I have never suggested that this incident has anything to do with race. It may, but I'm not going to get into that, because the facts are just that this was an abusive cop. So I am hoping you're not trying to suggest that the posters here are all treating this as a social/political/racial issue. It may just be that there are too many overly aggressive, under-trained, or bad cops out there.

bbm

The same can be said about teenagers.

 

[Montjoy]

Speaking of needing to change our culture, I worked in an inner city school for many years. I think there could be a change of culture there in terms of lack of respect for authority. It is a two way street, imo.

I have a ton of respect for good people like you who work in the inner city. My mom used to teach in an inner city high school -- and I'm not saying that it was a totally safe place, but she did always feel protected by the Vietnamese kids there, who, at that point, were not in any gangs or criminal activities.

But as for your point of a lack of respect for authority -- there are ways in which that too is a two way street. When LE stops respecting the humanity of some people, perhaps because of ethnicity or whatnot -- it does make things worse for both groups.

 

[CoolJ]

The protesters that were out there today are an offshoot of Black Lives Matter organization. The talking heads on all of the cable shows are race activists. Hard to ignore the implications. The girl that was forcibly detained said it was a race matter.

It was a race matter. The two obese WOMEN that were fighting with teenage girls were reportedly hurling racial slurs at these KIDS.