TX - Police respond to reports of shooter at Santa Fe High School, 18 May 2018

[Snoopster]

So apparently the shooter was rejected and the girl that rejected him was one of the victims.
Are females supposed to 'accept' any male that puts himself forward? Should they be murdered if they don't?

Just thinking of the incels incident in Toronto.

Guys....get your s**t together!! What the heck is wrong with you?? You aren't entitled to sex with anyone you want.

 

[Bernina]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/20/dimitrios-pagourtzis-wont-face-death-penalty-could/

[h=1]Texas school shooting suspect Dimitrios Pagourtzis won’t be executed, could be free in 40 years[/h]

[FONT=&quot]The teenager accused of the massacre at a Texas high school Friday could be out of prison in 40 years and will definitely not be executed.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Dimitrios Pagourtzis is 17 and the Supreme Court has barred both the death penalty and life without parole as cruel and unusual punishment for criminals under 18, according to a [/FONT]legal analysis[FONT=&quot] by USA Today.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“The courts ruled based on the idea that those 17 and younger don’t have the cognitive development to appreciate right from wrong,” said Michael Radelet, a University of Colorado at Boulder sociology professor. “The ruling is about the development of the juvenile brain.”[/FONT]

 

[fabvab]

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THAT is a really good question. I don't have a clue but it might help understand even more of the differences why public schools have this type of tragedy in comparison to parochial or private schools vs. the amount of money that is put into these places of education.

Private schools have the ability to select which students they take while public schools are required to take all students in their area. The Parkland school shooter probably would not have selected as a student by a private school.

 

[mpnola]

Private schools have the ability to select which students they take while public schools are required to take all students in their area. The Parkland school shooter probably would not have selected as a student by a private school.

Right. I think it is more of a "we have great students cause we kick anyone out who might taint our image". I went to private school k-12 and masters degree. Only undergrad was public, so i have seen the way it works all my life. But those kids who won't make it still have to go someplace. So, those are the places that end up paying the consequences. I don't think the answer is in duplicating the private school. It has to be in identifying and resolving the issues that cause the shootings.



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[mpnola]

Sounds like he can't even get a life without parole because he is 17, Maximum he can get is life with possibility of parole after 40 years.

https://www.ksat.com/news/admitted-santa-fe-hs-shooter-wont-face-death-penalty

I wonder if it would be possible to try the cases separately. Like, can he get 40 years per murder? Consecutively, not concurrently?

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[layer]

I wonder if it would be possible to try the cases separately. Like, can he get 40 years per murder? Consecutively, not concurrently?

Separately, by definition, cannot be consecutive.

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder if it would be possible to try the cases separately. Like, can he get 40 years per murder? Consecutively, not concurrently?

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That is a good question.

 

[Jennifer17]

Separately, by definition, cannot be consecutive.

Hypothetical situation. What if after he has been tried and sentenced another victim dies as a direct consequence of being shot. Can he be tried for that murder separate to the others. I don't think that that is going to happen, but I am curious.

 

[mpnola]

Separately, by definition, cannot be consecutive.

I mean his sentences served consecutively, not concurrently. So, max 40 years for 10 murders, 400 years of sentence. But sometimes they say the sentences are served concurrently, which I think is dumb. So, it would still only be 40 years total.

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[mpnola]

Hypothetical situation. What if after he has been tried and sentenced another victim dies as a direct consequence of being shot. Can he be tried for that murder separate to the others. I don't think that that is going to happen, but I am curious.

And why would they have to be tried together? My friends girlfriend was killed by a serial killer here. They tried only a few of the deaths together. They wanted to tie him to multiple but left others untried in case something happened (not guilty or short sentence) with the one they took to court. I'm just curious if something like that would be possible.

4o years isn't nearly enough. Cause he's young. And he murdered 10 classmates. That he chose to kill, while letting others go who would tell his story. So calculated!

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[Tippy Lynn]

I'm off to bed - see you all in a few day on the new site

 

[Jennifer17]

And why would they have to be tried together? My friends girlfriend was killed by a serial killer here. They tried only a few of the deaths together. They wanted to tie him to multiple but left others untried in case something happened (not guilty or short sentence) with the one they took to court. I'm just curious if something like that would be possible.

4o years isn't nearly enough. Cause he's young. And he murdered 10 classmates. That he chose to kill, while letting others go who would tell his story. So calculated!

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Yes, we do this. Charge him with one murder and then have more up the sleeve if his appeals get him off on technicalities.

Although I do believe that a man that young could be rehabilitated and I suppose that is the reason the death penalty and LWOP are off the table.

 

[mpnola]

Yes, we do this. Charge him with one murder and then have more up the sleeve if his appeals get him off on technicalities.

Although I do believe that a man that young could be rehabilitated and I suppose that is the reason the death penalty and LWOP are off the table.

Exactly. Unless it isn't an option because of his age. Eh, I was just curious. He definitely should be eligible for the punishment per murder. 1 should not be the same as 10 or 400 (just putting a number, yall).

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[Jennifer17]

Exactly. Unless it isn't an option because of his age. Eh, I was just curious. He definitely should be eligible for the punishment per murder. 1 should not be the same as 10 or 400 (just putting a number, yall).

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I was just curious too. I would not feel comfortable calling for life without parole for such a young man. If he does 40 years, his life is gone anyway. Imagine how much the world would change in that 40 years.

 

[mpnola]

I was just curious too. I would not feel comfortable calling for life without parole for such a young man. If he does 40 years, his life is gone anyway. Imagine how much the world would change in that 40 years.

Do they do actual time or is it like Louisiana where 40 will get you out in 20? I still think 57 is too young for him to be released. I like to believe people can learn and grow, but in a situation like this, I don't think so. I don't think he should re-emerge to test it out. Too risky. A bar fight type thing that one person gets killed, maybe. Walking into a school and choosing those you want to die while screaming wahoo? Nah.

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[mpnola]

(Ps- yall keep a list of links to share when we come back in a few days! This is one of the cases I have a feeling we will miss a lot while websleuths is down)

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[Jennifer17]

Do they do actual time or is it like Louisiana where 40 will get you out in 20? I still think 57 is too young for him to be released. I like to believe people can learn and grow, but in a situation like this, I don't think so. I don't think he should re-emerge to test it out. Too risky. A bar fight type thing that one person gets killed, maybe. Walking into a school and choosing those you want to die while screaming wahoo? Nah.



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I have no idea how that works in Louisiana, but I do think that with young men like this there is a chance that he could serve his time and never break another law again. I do think that his immaturity has something to do with this. Mind you, I can be objective about it, but if I were one of those parents, I would want the very worst for him.

 

[Strangeworld]

Whilst I do believe in rehabilitation for some, I couldn't imagine any context where I would be comfortable with him being released back into the community. Giving him a second chance to live in society at the potential risk of him killing again - nah, I'm not willing to place the value of his life over the value of others. He made his choice and those people don't get a second chance. I would not want him to potentially repeat the same devastation. Just the way it is, some may see it as sad, I see it as risk assessment.

 

[Jennifer17]

Whilst I do believe in rehabilitation for some, I couldn't imagine any context where I would be comfortable with him being released back into the community. Giving him a second chance to live in society at the potential risk of him killing again - nah, I'm not willing to place the value of his life over the value of others. He made his choice and those people don't get a second chance. I would not want him to potentially repeat the same devastation. Just the way it is, some may see it as sad, I see it as risk assessment.

Do you think that he would be the same risk after 20 or 40 years?

 

[Strangeworld]

Do you think that he would be the same risk after 20 or 40 years?

I don't have access to his psychiatric/psychological diagnoses (if any) so I can't answer that - depends on psychopathy and other factors. But many a criminal with psychopathy has fooled the psychiatric and psychological professions (I was part of that professional group so feel ok saying that). I would never want this individual walking amongst us again. I see his non-release as punishment for his crime, as well as future protection of society. Recidivism is a very real risk for any offender that needs to be carefully considered - is it worth risking another mass shooting or whatever devastating means we may have in the future for multiple murders? Is his life, regardless of psychosis, diagnoses etc worth more than those lives he may claim, based on past behaviour. My answer, no way!

If by chance he is a good guy who has made a very very bad decision, well that is how life goes. It's called consequences. We all must face them, regardless of the reasons behind our actions. Some decisions we make have limited impact on others, but some have disastrous consequences. It might mean he doesn't meet his potential or that he could have been a productive member of society, but that is what consequences are. His choice should mean that others get a choice too - to not run the risk of him grabbing a gun (or other means) and wiping out another group of people. Why should those who have made the decision to NOT commit high end violent crimes be forced to live in the same society where someone who has proven they are capable of such violence are given the right to exist?