TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #1

[katydid23]

She was fine until he ordered her out of her vehicle and when she asked why he decided to wrestle her out. I think any normal citizen would have questions of an officer acting so irrational and physical during a minor traffic infraction. I would. IMO

No. She was not 'fine.' IMO< she was obstinate and condescending and rude. It was as if all of her longstanding rage against cops was seething through.

I have been pulled over many times as we all have. If a cop asks me politely to do something small, like putting out a lit ciggie, am I going to argue my constitutional rights? NO. I will put out the cig because it is really no big deal to me. Why get into an argument over something so meaningless?

The cop was being an arse and was not dealing with her attitude in a professional manner. But he was not a 'monster' as some seem to be making him out to be. She was talking rudely and copping an attitude and he was giving it back at her. They were both being stupid.

It just seems odd that people are applauding her rudeness and criticizing his.
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[katydid23]

You can't arrest a citizen for being rude or having an attitude. Just saying. IMO

No, but you can arrest them for kicking an officer.

 

[human]

Here is an example of law enforcement code of ethics. Wouldn't this be good?

http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/nativeamerican/naethics.doc

Primary Responsibilities of Police Officer:
A police officer acts as an official representative of the government; he is required and trusted to work within the law. The officer's powers and duties are conferred by statute. The fundamental duties of a police officer include serving the community; safe-guarding lives and property; protecting the innocent; keeping the peace; and ensuring the rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.

Performance of the Duties of a Police Officer:
A police officer performs all duties impartially, without favor, affection or ill will and without regard to status, sex, race, religion, political belief or aspiration. All citizens are treated equally with courtesy, consideration and dignity. Officers never allow personal feelings, animosities or friendships to influence official conduct. Laws are enforced appropriately and courteously and, in carrying out their responsibilities, officers strive to obtain maximum cooperation from the public. They conduct themselves, in appearance and deportment, in a way that inspires confidence and respect for the position of public trust they hold.

 

[EllieBee]

Read the first 3 pages for reference. Unless it had been deleted it was implied by numerous posters that race played a role in this case.


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Please stop causing discord in this thread.

We were able to respectfully disagree until you began attacking and baiting. Please stop. I ask with all sincerity.

 

[katydid23]

Again I don't think anyone killed her. I think she may have died due to a previous injury or some sort of neglect.
You're correct. I shouldn't judge based on the performance of the arresting officer and yet how did he feel so free to act the way he did during a traffic stop?
Just left a bad taste for many I think. IMO

I don't see how it would be neglect. I think the jail video cam shows them checking on her almost every hour. If she had a seizure and died during that time, it would not be neglect --it would be an unavoidable tragedy.

The girl in the next cell said she had been crying for 3 days. A lot of moaning and crying. I think she killed herself.

 

[human]

From the code of ethics

Discretion:
A police officer uses responsibly the discretion vested in the position and exercises it within the law. The principle of reasonableness guide the officer's conclusions, and the officer considers all surrounding circumstances in determining whether any legal action will be taken. Consistent and wise use of discretion, based on professional policing competence, does much to preserve good relationships and retain the confidence of the public. It can be difficult to choose between conflicting courses of action. It is important to remember that a timely word of advice rather than arrest which may be correct in appropriate circumstances can be a more effective means of achieving a desired end.

 

[bluesneakers]

Here is an example of law enforcement code of ethics. Wouldn't this be good?

http://www.mincava.umn.edu/documents/nativeamerican/naethics.doc

Primary Responsibilities of Police Officer:
A police officer acts as an official representative of the government; he is required and trusted to work within the law. The officer's powers and duties are conferred by statute. The fundamental duties of a police officer include serving the community; safe-guarding lives and property; protecting the innocent; keeping the peace; and ensuring the rights of all to liberty, equality and justice.

Performance of the Duties of a Police Officer:
A police officer performs all duties impartially, without favor, affection or ill will and without regard to status, sex, race, religion, political belief or aspiration. All citizens are treated equally with courtesy, consideration and dignity. Officers never allow personal feelings, animosities or friendships to influence official conduct. Laws are enforced appropriately and courteously and, in carrying out their responsibilities, officers strive to obtain maximum cooperation from the public. They conduct themselves, in appearance and deportment, in a way that inspires confidence and respect for the position of public trust they hold.

This would be great. This is how it should be!

 

[katydid23]

I don't know if any of it has been deleted, but yes, earlier I said race played a role and I also referenced the history of racism in this particular county and state. I also mentioned how much more like African Americans are to be killed by police officers. That's all still true and I stand by it.

Then wasn't it kind of unfair to point at him and say he was 'the one' that brought up race?

 

[kimlynn]

No. She was not 'fine.' IMO< she was obstinate and condescending and rude. It was as if all of her longstanding rage against cops was seething through.

I have been pulled over many times as we all have. If a cop asks me politely to do something small, like putting out a lit ciggie, am I going to argue my constitutional rights? NO. I will put out the cig because it is really no big deal to me. Why get into an argument over something so meaningless?

The cop was being an arse and was not dealing with her attitude in a professional manner. But he was not a 'monster' as some seem to be making him out to be. She was talking rudely and copping an attitude and he was giving it back at her. They were both being stupid.

It just seems odd that people are applauding her rudeness and criticizing his.
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I would have also put out my cigarette but I'm not SB. Maybe it was an important enough issue to her that she felt compelled to assert her rights.
Back in the day I would have been right along with her and was. I know better now.
It's a sad day when LE can arrest you at will for no reason other than you asked questions or they didn't like your attitude. And since honesty was mentioned earlier you know that is the true reason she was arrested.
It's all there in black and white on camera with audio. IMO

 

[katydid23]

This would be great. This is how it should be!

And what about the ethics and morals of citizens. Is it right to stand up right in an officers face and SCREAM 'EFF DA POLICE.'

Do you think it might affect an officers point of view if hundreds of citizens begin berating and insulting and cussing at them for wearing a badge?

 

[human]

I don't see how it would be neglect. I think the jail video cam shows them checking on her almost every hour. If she had a seizure and died during that time, it would not be neglect --it would be an unavoidable tragedy.

The girl in the next cell said she had been crying for 3 days. A lot of moaning and crying. I think she killed herself.

Serial killers get treated better. They are watched for suicide,

Sandra was such a horrible criminal.

 

[Curious Guy]

Please stop causing discord in this thread.

We were able to respectfully disagree until you began attacking and baiting. Please stop. I ask with all sincerity.

Please stop. All people don't agree. Running to mods for interference when you disagree is weak. There was no discord in this thread because Katy was the only one not parroting the company line. I'm out. You guys have fun condemning LEO of sadism and worse.


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[EllieBee]

Please stop. All people don't agree. Running to mods for interference when you disagree is weak.


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That is why the alert button is there. Bullying other posters is weak.

 

[katydid23]

I would have also put out my cigarette but I'm not SB. Maybe it was an important enough issue to her that she felt compelled to assert her rights.
Back in the day I would have been right along with her and was. I know better now.
It's a sad day when LE can arrest you at will for no reason other than you asked questions or they didn't like your attitude. And since honesty was mentioned earlier you know that is the true reason she was arrested.
It's all there in black and white on camera with audio. IMO

It was not an important enough of an issue for her--it was just an excuse to goad the officer. She was looking for a fight just as he was. It was a perfect storm.

She was not arrested for asking questions or a bad attitude. She could have asked questions all day without getting arrested.

 

[kimlynn]

I don't see how it would be neglect. I think the jail video cam shows them checking on her almost every hour. If she had a seizure and died during that time, it would not be neglect --it would be an unavoidable tragedy.

The girl in the next cell said she had been crying for 3 days. A lot of moaning and crying. I think she killed herself.

The last report I read indicated that she hadn't been checked for two or three hrs the morning she was found. IMO

 

[katydid23]

That is why the alert button is there. Bullying other posters is weak.

the ALERT button is what gets the thread shut down.

 

[bluesneakers]

And what about the ethics and morals of citizens. Is it right to stand up right in an officers face and SCREAM 'EFF DA POLICE.'

Do you think it might affect an officers point of view if hundreds of citizens begin berating and insulting and cussing at them for wearing a badge?

I never signed any agreement with law enforcement with regard to my behavior.

And I love N.W.A.

 

[katydid23]

The last report I read indicated that she hadn't been checked for two or three hrs the morning she was found. IMO

If it was two hours then I don't see that as negligent. If she had her drivers license then her seizures must have been under control.

 

[Confusion]

I don't see how it would be neglect. I think the jail video cam shows them checking on her almost every hour. If she had a seizure and died during that time, it would not be neglect --it would be an unavoidable tragedy.

The girl in the next cell said she had been crying for 3 days. A lot of moaning and crying. I think she killed herself.

In that case, it would be neglect because someone who is at risk for suicide is supposed to be checked more often than they did. Ninety minutes is too long to go without checking on someone with a history of attempted suicide & cuts and scars on her arms who has been crying for 3 days. I don't doubt that she did commit suicide, but I also believe it could have been prevented. She may have still tried, but if she had been checked on earlier, maybe they would have been able to save her.

MOO

 

[human]

And what about the ethics and morals of citizens. Is it right to stand up right in an officers face and SCREAM 'EFF DA POLICE.'

Do you think it might affect an officers point of view if hundreds of citizens begin berating and insulting and cussing at them for wearing a badge?

Guess what? Teachers are constantly berated. Does that mean we get to throw tantrums and push students to the ground or start screaming at negligent parents?