TX - Shots fired, injuries reported at ICE facility in Dallas - Sept 24, 2025

[Arkay]

Suspected ICE sniper Joshua Jahn’s family breaks silence over Dallas shooting

Exclusive: Joshua Jahn’s brother told The Independent he has ‘been going back and forth with police’ about the events of Wednesday morning

www.independent.co.uk

Another heartbroken family, astonished and gobsmacked by what their son did.

This has been a steadily increasing drip, IMO. Seemingly intact and loving families with sons who are boiling beneath the surface.

JMO

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I think both your definitions are correct here. Anyone who is injured or killed in an attack or accident is referred to as a victim, as are intended targets (eg. a victim of attempted murder).

In this case, the way the media is prematurely defining the ICE agents as victims feels off - to me at least. There are three confirmed casualties (excluding the shooter) who, in my opinion, are the ones who deserve to be recognised as the "victims" of this crime.

That is, until it is fully confirmed and proven that the shooter intended to target the ICE officers. Only then would it be appropriate to label them as victims.

JMOpinion.

The media was not the reason for the comment that said it was confusing that DSH asked for prayers for the victims, which they interpreted to include LE, as no ICE agents were shot.
It's not relevent who the target was, but I would argue it is clearly LE. Anyone in a vehicle which is shot up and several passengers are shot, is a victim. Same of any occupant of the office that had bullet holes in the window.
The shooter couldn't see into the vehicle or possibly have known if anyone but LE was in it.
Anyone in the vehicle will be affected for the rest of their lives, I can't imagine the nightmares ahead for all of them and their families. They don't need to prove or earn a label of victim.

 

[Elley Mae]

anti ICE being written on the cartridge tells me who the intended target was.

jmo

 

[SusanDonim]

"Engraved"? Looks like it's been scrawled on hurriedly with pen to me. Also why just one of the casings?

Hinky meter is pinging against the red for me here.

 

[jypsijemini]

They don't need to prove or earn a label of victim.

I apologise if it seemed I was insinuating that the people who were mentally and emotionally impacted in this crime, or any other crime, are any less victims. That was not my intention but I can see how the way I worded myself may have come across that way.

I agree - they are also victims of crime, whether they were the intended targets or not.

However, let's not lose sight of who the IMMEDIATE victims were here. One person lost their life. Two others are fighting to keep theirs. Yes, the witnesses and victims who were unharmed yet present also suffered, but they also get to go home to their families tonight.

By definition, we are ALL potentially being constantly victimised every single day. That sort of use of the word "victim" is subjective to whether or not you feel traumatised and impacted by what you see, hear or read. It's a slippery slope if we're going to openly call every person affected by crime a "victim".

Rhetorical question: what do we call the casualties then, without sounding robotic and cold? If everyone is a victim of crime, how can we recognise when we're speaking about those who suffered the most?

There's a difference between being subjected first-hand to the crime itself and suffering because you witnessed a crime. Yes, both are victims, but it's important to have proper, clear verbiage to communicate who and what it is we're referring to.

 

[jypsijemini]

"Engraved"? Looks like it's been scrawled on hurriedly with pen to me. Also why just one of the casings?

Hinky meter is pinging against the red for me here.

AND - why is the Director of the FBI releasing photos of evidence not even 24 hrs after the incident?

 

[Inthedetails]

I apologise if it seemed I was insinuating that the people who were mentally and emotionally impacted in this crime, or any other crime, are any less victims. That was not my intention but I can see how the way I worded myself may have come across that way.

I agree - they are also victims of crime, whether they were the intended targets or not.

However, let's not lose sight of who the IMMEDIATE victims were here. One person lost their life. Two others are fighting to keep theirs. Yes, the witnesses and victims who were unharmed yet present also suffered, but they also get to go home to their families tonight.

By definition, we are ALL potentially being constantly victimised every single day. That sort of use of the word "victim" is subjective to whether or not you feel traumatised and impacted by what you see, hear or read. It's a slippery slope if we're going to openly call every person affected by crime a "victim".

Rhetorical question: what do we call the casualties then, without sounding robotic and cold? If everyone is a victim of crime, how can we recognise when we're speaking about those who suffered the most?

There's a difference between being subjected first-hand to the crime itself and suffering because you witnessed a crime. Yes, both are victims, but it's important to have proper, clear verbiage to communicate who and what it is we're referring to.

To add further nuance to the word (not directing this comment at anyone in particular but to the conversation in general), Websleuths has its own definition of "victim" and we use it widely to refer to anyone impacted by the crime, including family members of the perp. This website is "victim-friendly."

I mention it only because if discussing specific definitions, the context can make a difference. And WS can be a "context" for that word.

Whatever the case, people were gunned down yesterday whether or not they were the intended targets. They are technically the "gunshot victims" but obviously, imo, they are not the only people impacted by the crime.

jmopinion

 

[rob525]

I think one issue many people have in these situations is the urge to try to find logical reasoning in totally illogical actions. I.e. if the shooter was anti ICE, why did he seemingly target the detainees? That is a logical question. However, an illogical mind may not have reached the same conclusions. Meaning, perhaps he thought the van was picking up detainees and not dropping them off. In his mind the van could only possibly be filled with ICE agents. So, firing indiscriminately into the van would seem likely to accomplish the end goal. If one is going to climb onto the roof of a building and start shooting people, logical thought processes will likely not be present.

 

[jypsijemini]

To add further nuance to the word (not directing this comment at anyone in particular but to the conversation in general), Websleuths has its own definition of "victim" and we use it widely to refer to anyone impacted by the crime, including family members of the perp. This website is "victim-friendly."

I mention it only because if discussing specific definitions, the context can make a difference. And WS can be a "context" for that word.

Thank you.

This comment has clarified a lot for me. I've only just come back to WS recently and wasn't aware of the way the term "victim" was used in here. I greatly appreciate your comment and agree to the way this site and it's sleuthers use the term.

Much appreciated.

 

[Emerald1328]

To add further nuance to the word (not directing this comment at anyone in particular but to the conversation in general), Websleuths has its own definition of "victim" and we use it widely to refer to anyone impacted by the crime, including family members of the perp. This website is "victim-friendly."

I mention it only because if discussing specific definitions, the context can make a difference. And WS can be a "context" for that word.

Whatever the case, people were gunned down yesterday whether or not they were the intended targets. They are technically the "gunshot victims" but obviously, imo, they are not the only people impacted by the crime.

jmopinion

While I agree that the ICE agents were victims of this shooting because they had to be terrified as the shots were ringing out (although I would argue that the victimization suffered by those who were shot was greater than the agents), we also must remember that the other people they had in custody that were present were also victims of this shooting, just as much as the ICE agents were.

Whether they were illegal or not, they’re human beings with families, emotions, dreams and they also did not deserve to be victims this day.

I’m not saying you were doing this at all, but I haven’t heard many pointing out that ALL people present were victims, not just those shot, their families, and ICE agents.

 

[NervousNellie]

anti ICE being written on the cartridge tells me who the intended target was.

jmo

Assuming the shooter left that. Which I question.

Most of us that are indeed anti ICE, would not use that term. We say F ICE.

That image of the unspent rounds (do they match the weapon used?) feels as authentic as that text thread with Tyler Robinson.

 

[Inthedetails]

"Engraved"? Looks like it's been scrawled on hurriedly with pen to me. Also why just one of the casings?

Hinky meter is pinging against the red for me here.

The photo looks like a crime-scene photo, taken on the rooftop in the rain, before LE collected the item in an evidence bag.

We can't tell by this photo if there is scrawling on the other sides, including the one that says, "anti-ice." There might be other words we cannot see.


jmopinion

 

[Eli9]

Excuse my ignorance but that clip in the photo - would the clip get inserted into the rifle like a magazine or would you have to hand load the ammunition?

 

[Fraize]

A gentle reminder to keep this thread apolitical. Do not engage in snipes and jabs.

If your post doesn't serve the interests of justice for the crime committed, take a breath and reconsider before hitting the Reply button.

 

[Elley Mae]

AND - why is the Director of the FBI releasing photos of evidence not even 24 hrs after the incident?

Transparency

Kash Patel promises to make FBI "transparent, accountable" following confirmation as director - The Statesman

After Indian-origin Kash Patel was confirmed by the Senate on Thursday as director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Patel expressed his gratitude and vowed to rebuild the agency into one that is "transparent, accountable, and committed to justice."

www.thestatesman.com

 

[Fraize]

Excuse my ignorance but that clip in the photo - would the clip get inserted into the rifle like a magazine or would you have to hand load the ammunition?

That photo shows a "stripper clip" which is a kind of speed-loader. I can't tell what kind of rifle the shooter used from the gruesome photos I've seen. It looks like a Springfield 1903, but the only black ones I've seen are resin replicas used for drills, or air-rifles.

I'm not being conspiracy-minded here! Just displaying my ignorance – I haven't seen one quite like that.

Anyway, here's how you would load and fire an M1903 with a stripper clip.

 

[Eli9]

That photo shows a "stripper clip" which is a kind of speed-loader. I can't tell what kind of rifle the shooter used from the gruesome photos I've seen. It looks like a Springfield 1903, but the only black ones I've seen are resin replicas used for drills, or air-rifles.

I'm not being conspiracy-minded here! Just displaying my ignorance – I haven't seen one quite like that.

Anyway, here's how you would load and fire an M1903 with a stripper clip.

Oh my gosh, thank you! That video is super helpful!

 

[Ontario Mom]

"Engraved"? Looks like it's been scrawled on hurriedly with pen to me. Also why just one of the casings?

Hinky meter is pinging against the red for me here.

To me, it looks like the second one from the left has some writing on it as well, at the very left of the casing.

I think Patel used the word "engraved" by mistake, but I just assumed everyone knew what he meant since the image shows the casing marked with letters. Scrawled, marked, printed, etched, engraved, etc.

 

[Elley Mae]

Could be a Kar 98 in 8mm Mauser

Jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

Assuming the shooter left that. Which I question.

Most of us that are indeed anti ICE, would not use that term. We say F ICE.

That image of the unspent rounds (do they match the weapon used?) feels as authentic as that text thread with Tyler Robinson.

So... you're speculating the unspent rounds were placed there by someone other than the shooter & the FBI have engaged in some sort of conspiracy?