TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[Razz]

In the first presser, MPD spokesman admitted that investigators didn't understand SP's movement inside the church. I thought that was because it was so early on, but now I think we know it was the sad truth. I do think there is a far greater chance that the FBI has seen something similar or at least has a better sense of where to look to find POI and then suspects. To support that I suggest https://youtu.be/fD7M2Wn7A9c Steve Moore is a retired FBI agent.https://youtu.be/0zoXOQHeBxA

I listened to this a while ago and I do believe Mr. Moore has some very interesting observations. In fact, it was after listening to this that BB focused more prominently on my radar. Definitely worth a watch!

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[11frogs]

I wonder if LE asked for data back to first of March to see if SP (s) had made a dry run or sifting through phone records to see if certain persons were talk my at 3:30am on a MWF in vicinity of CoC.

 

[Camerabug]

I've always wondering about them myself. I think I remember from the first threads some thought they were the first campers and found MB but........I haven't always been so sure. I know it was said (WS'er, not MSM) that the daughters were really good friends too. Again, I still wonder. They had their FB's locked up tight so there really wasn't anything to sleuth on them so I think everyone just kind of dropped them off the list. But I always wondered if there was a love triangle in that mix or not??? Not that I think they are involved, just hard to completely rule out or in without having anything to sleuth on.

(I tried to sleuth early on but haven't looked at FB pages since. I saw another posted say one page was open to public so I'm editing to clarify my statement above in case they are open )

A little too competitive, perhaps? Hmmm.....

 

[liz b.]

In the first presser, MPD spokesman admitted that investigators didn't understand SP's movement inside the church. I thought that was because it was so early on, but now I think we know it was the sad truth. I do think there is a far greater chance that the FBI has seen something similar or at least has a better sense of where to look to find POI and then suspects. To support that I suggest https://youtu.be/fD7M2Wn7A9c Steve Moore is a retired FBI agent.https://youtu.be/0zoXOQHeBxA

I believe that SP's movements inside the church are still a cause for conjecture. Some questions I have are :

COD has never been released.
911 calls have never been released
The (supposed) remaining minutes of SP on the video have never been released.
Some think the crime scene was investigated unusually quickly.
Although I never usually comment on the reactions of crime victims at interviews or pressers, I saw some quite unusual reactions on the part of family members in this case.

I'm going someplace with these points, just not sure exactly where yet...very peculiar case. jmo

 

[Camerabug]

I believe that SP's movements inside the church are still a cause for conjecture. Some questions I have are :

COD has never been released.
911 calls have never been released
The (supposed) remaining minutes of SP on the video have never been released.
Some think the crime scene was investigated unusually quickly.
Although I never usually comment on the reactions of crime victims at interviews or pressers, I saw some quite unusual reactions on the part of family members in this case.

I'm going someplace with these points, just not sure exactly where yet...very peculiar case. jmo

i think I see a connection
Another phenomenal interview with Steve Moore early in the case..https://youtu.be/ZmVCCBlWUlc

if Peter Schulte is advising them, we won't see any more until an arrest is made http://www.peteschulte.com

 

[Jethro4WS]

Yes, interesting. I d seen it before long ago, but what stood out this time was that a burglar would not bring a hammer. Crow bar, yes. Hammer, no. Not his exact words...but his meaning.

I wonder what he would think of a burglar that had two hammers.

 

[Dollcat]

Disclaimer: All of my posts and the post below are my opinion and are for entertainment purposes only.
My suggestion as LE is to please, please contact LE if and only if you have first hand knowledge (not researching information via the web) of a particular crime. LE does, becoming rarer and rarer, ask the public for assistance in helping to identify certain claims. Anytime we do ask the public for assistance, we get hundreds of call-ins that have nothing to do with the information being asked. Only a handful of the calls are legit, the rest of the calls are 'I know this doesn't apply to the information you specifically asked for, but have you thought about this or I found where the victim was friends with this ex-con on FB'. A large amount of our resources have to deal with these calls, if only to listen. Hundreds of 3-5 minute phone call leads to enormous amount of man-hours.
If you're pursuing this case on your own, which can be exciting, it would be best to make public records request from the corresponding authorities. Anything that isn't yet public will be part of a realistic, professional investigation by LE. Public records in a case with a long timeframe are an excellent source of factual information.

Are you LE past or present? Local? TIA

 

[x_files]

Just a few odds and ends to throw out for feedback. All are jmo, and I don't get offended by alternate viewpoints or I wouldn't join a forum...just saying

1) a lawyer was saying that he was appalled at how much information was included in MPD's SWs. He said it was way more than was necessary, and his thinking was they may have given too much info to the perp which in turn has made their job much harder. (I'm not a lawyer, but I can see where he's coming from)

2) he also said he was appalled at the number of informational pressers for the same reason.

3) I wonder if search warrants are being requested by the Feds now for wire taps etc based on the tower dump-if this has been determined to be a capital case and so it appears to be slowing but in reality it has gone "underground ". I'm not in law enforcement either, so I don't know how these things work..sheesh!

4) I do think the Nissan was somehow related to this case...I just can't quite figure out how. The gym just down the road where MB worked out was open 24-7. She was avoiding that gym where she used to work out in the early morning before her kids got up (my working theory-no proof just yet but it seems likely given her usual schedule on M-W-F) My theory is that somebody took her bubbly, kind, encouragement (and maybe a touch of flirtation) as something more than MB intended. I have two specific suspects in mind. Was she on someone's mind? One suspect works or worked (not sure of current status)at that gym and one is a camper. MT has stated that MB was a bit naive. Perhaps she misread this fellow and things were getting bothersome. I'm not there yet..work-in-progress...jmo

5) question: could one obliterate traces of human blood with dog blood? Wash a garment several times and then introduce dog blood to muddy the waters and get inconclusive tests from certain spot tests while getting positive for dog blood in others. Overall scoring as dog blood?

5) I asked this question before. A friend in forensics says it causes serious complications in obtaining evidence.

 

[ardenmost]

If you're known to have been 1500 or more miles away when the human blood was spilled, then you don't have relevant human blood on your garments regardless. So this is pretty much moot. Just saying.

So, you are saying, that four days (give or take) later, RB was 1500 miles away from Missy's horrific murder?

 

[Cannonball3804]

Disclaimer: All of my posts and the post below are my opinion and are for entertainment purposes only.
My suggestion as LE is to please, please contact LE if and only if you have first hand knowledge (not researching information via the web) of a particular crime. LE does, becoming rarer and rarer, ask the public for assistance in helping to identify certain claims. Anytime we do ask the public for assistance, we get hundreds of call-ins that have nothing to do with the information being asked. Only a handful of the calls are legit, the rest of the calls are 'I know this doesn't apply to the information you specifically asked for, but have you thought about this or I found where the victim was friends with this ex-con on FB'. A large amount of our resources have to deal with these calls, if only to listen. Hundreds of 3-5 minute phone call leads to enormous amount of man-hours.
If you're pursuing this case on your own, which can be exciting, it would be best to make public records request from the corresponding authorities. Anything that isn't yet public will be part of a realistic, professional investigation by LE. Public records in a case with a long timeframe are an excellent source of factual information.

I have a different take. Actually the MPD does, too. Assistant Chief Johnson said in a press conference that he encouraged the public to call in tips because, and I'm paraphrasing but this is close to what he said, "Sometimes the smallest tip is the one that breaks a case wide open."

The MPD has 12 investigators assigned to this case - 5 MPD detectives and the other 7 coming from the Texas Rangers and two federal agencies. That's a lot of resources in a town that doesn't have a huge amount of crime going on. When folks call in to the tip line, it almost always goes to voicemail. LE can call back at their convenience. Heck, they don't have to call back at all, if the message left on the recording is specific enough or if LE knows that the tip is a dead end.

LE has already said that the investigation has slowed, so this wouldn't be a time to discourage folks from reaching out. The only thing I would say is that people need to use a "reasonable person" test. Would a reasonable person find the information compelling enough to think that it could possibly be something to follow up on? If so, then call the tip line. Or message them through their MPD FB page. Don't assume that MPD already knows whatever it is that you're going to communicate. Because maybe they don't.

 

[GeeEm]

Yes, they would be able to determine whether a phone was stationary or in motion. The way the phone system works in this country - I won't get into Signalling System 7 (SS7) - and the way cellular phone work in conjunction with that - won't get into GSM radio - requires that the phone companies can route a call to a specific phone at any time.

With a land line it is easy since the wire doesn't move unlike a cell phone. That is why the cell phone pings the tower so the phone company(s) can know where to send the call. There is also a need for the phone company to know not only that the phone is in motion but, approximately how fast, and the direction of travel so that it can hand the call off from one tower to the next without dropping the call.

So for every phone that was in range of those towers that pinged the tower they should have up to 120 pings for each. Some phones could have turned off or were turned on in the time period so there could be less pings for any given phone. Also, due to 911 requirements your phone will use GPS location when possible when pinging the tower so some of the data will be reasonably accurate. The GPS you and I and other regular people experience is intentionally inaccurate by up to 300 ft because the GPS signal we use is part of a classified encrypted military system and true accuracy is limited to only certain users of the system. When GPS is not possible, the phone company will triangulate the position and is even less accurate at times.

Like I said, I won't get deep into SS7 but when you see a warrant for call records, like in the phone warrants, the information returned would look nothing like you see in a bill or call history on our phones. There is quite a bit of information that is returned including where both ends of the call are - for cell phones in the "main SS7 call record" this would be the tower, there are other SS7 record types that have the location information and other information. The record contains if any of the phones were forwarded and all the records for all of the phone numbers involved would be in there. When you forward a phone, a code is either entered or your phone sends it for you to let the phone company know so that the phone company can route any calls to the phone you want. So, even with a forwarded phone number they know where all the phones are.

The telephony system in this country can be a deep subject but the important thing to know about it in relation to cell phones is that once the traffic from your phone hits the tower everything after that works no different than if land lines were being used. And another important thing is that there are only 3 companies that actually have the physical lines and routing capabilities to support this system - ATT, Verizon, and Sprint (though what they have and do is a bit different and much of their customer traffic still rides on ATT and Verizon). Everyone else out there (say T-Mobile) buys time on the lines at varying levels of quality of service.

ATT is a great resource for LE because they maintain a massive database that maintains call records and text records including content going back decades. The Tampa location in the warrants is also where the FBI is co-located for a system they use in conjunction with phone warrants for their purposes.

BBM

The portion of your post was discussed several threads ago, referring other cellular telephone companies do purchase time from the major cell providers

I'm very familiar with cell towers about data and smaller companies purchasing services

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GeeEm said:
07-05-2016 10:37 PM
Quote Originally Posted by No it's not View Post
Check this one. It lists the registrants below the map:

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell...Antenna_towers
Aww good sleuthing. Guess the small cellular companies use AT&T towers. 📟 Thanks

JMO

 

[Cannonball3804]

If you're known to have been 1500 or more miles away when the human blood was spilled, then you don't have relevant human blood on your garments regardless. So this is pretty much moot. Just saying.

So, you are saying, that four days (give or take) later, RB was 1500 miles away from Missy's horrific murder?

Not SteveS, but where are you getting "four days later" from? He said "when the human blood was spilled", meaning that when MB was killed, RB was 1500 miles away.

 

[GeeEm]

I say again, for a forensics expert from NYC this isn't hard..with the population density (s)he's used to dealing with...the trick is going to be making him/her let go of the info. In NYC they like to keep things for a long time...they get into trouble for that stuff too...

How can the FBI get into trouble for offering any services needed to provide information in Missy's case? This happened in Texas, not NYC, and what would be a problem with getting information? I'm confused. My understanding several agencies offered their services


jmo 🐮

 

[Camerabug]

5) I asked this question before. A friend in forensics says it causes serious complications in obtaining evidence.

Thank you x_files! I though maybe it would be a problem, RB is NOT my suspect. (I just want to add that for those who think he is...)

 

[Camerabug]

How can the FBI get into trouble for offering any services needed to provide information in Missy's case? This happened in Texas, not NYC, and what would be a problem with getting information? I'm confused. My understanding several agencies offered their services


jmo 

The problem isn't with getting the information it's with letting it go when what they gather falls outside the scope of the SW...the equipment doesn't belong to Texas and I'm not always very trusting of big government. They like to build big databases..

 

[GeeEm]

In the first presser, MPD spokesman admitted that investigators didn't understand SP's movement inside the church. I thought that was because it was so early on, but now I think we know it was the sad truth. I do think there is a far greater chance that the FBI has seen something similar or at least has a better sense of where to look to find POI and then suspects. To support that I suggest https://youtu.be/fD7M2Wn7A9c Steve Moore is a retired FBI agent.https://youtu.be/0zoXOQHeBxA

Retired FBI Steve Moore is giving his views, and the situation only using SM. Basically, his words are just "hearsay" according to the facts from ALL the information LE has gathered. He quoted facts from LE that have been discussed here

jmo 🐮

 

[GeeEm]

I agree with this except I do think they have more video. I don't think it shows anything of any value, however-just more of the same; the exception being Missy entering the building and we will see that at trial.

BBM

LE presser stated there "is additional footage" that has not been released

jmo 🐮

 

[ardenmost]

It was :great: to know that I was right at least about some "sealed search warrants" and that I did at least understand correctly.

July 1, 2016

Two and a half months after fitness instructor Missy Bevers was slain at a Midlothian church, police say the investigation has slowed.

Midlothian's assistant police chief, Kevin Johnson, said in a weekly update Friday that the department had received additional cellphone service records from an April "tower dump" search warrant — adding that it would take some time to analyze the data. **I wonder what this means? Additional from prev released Cell Tower SW or possible new SW? Hard to tell, but from facts we have prob the ATT Cell Tower dump, but if diff it depends on when the SW was executed if diff, and if it has been sealed. Also makes me wonder about the provision of wire tapping :thinking: **

Johnson also released search warrants for the Facebook accounts of Bevers, 45, and her husband, Brandon Bevers.

The warrants — issued in late April and sealed since then — seek information including messages, photos, IP addresses and account access information for the couple's accounts. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...s-slowed-police-say-new-warrants-released.ece

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You. Rock, Mimi!

 

[GeeEm]

The problem isn't with getting the information it's with letting it go when what they gather falls outside the scope of the SW...the equipment doesn't belong to Texas and I'm not always very trusting of big government. They like to build big databases..

Well in this peculiar case with someone dressed up in Police gear, I'm going to hope they will consider letting go of "any information" gathered.

Wanting justice for Missy 🌹

Thanks

jmo 🐮

 

[Camerabug]

4) I do think the Nissan was somehow related to this case...I just can't quite figure out how. The gym just down the road where MB worked out was open 24-7. She was avoiding that gym where she used to work out in the early morning before her kids got up (my working theory-no proof just yet but it seems likely given her usual schedule on M-W-F) My theory is that somebody took her bubbly, kind, encouragement (and maybe a touch of flirtation) as something more than MB intended. I have two specific suspects in mind. Was she on someone's mind? One suspect works or worked (not sure of current status)at that gym and one is a camper. MT has stated that MB was a bit naive. Perhaps she misread this fellow and things were getting bothersome. I'm not there yet..work-in-progress...jmo

5/20/16 2:00am Nissan Altima (LT color) pulls into SWFA parking lot and parks

5/20/16 MPD release photo of Altima and ask for driver to come forward this video https://youtu.be/ZmkS4zzivWU

5/20/16 MPD posts again..Nissan Altima is NOT a suspect vehicle mentioned in presser

5/20/16 road blocks begin stopping light colored Nissan Altimas and continue through the weekend...(eye witness still developing) work in progress looking for second confirmation from a local...did anyone witness this?

I have more but nothing that can be posted here, and nothing that isn't already known to MPD...