TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, murdered in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #36

[Razz]

Here's the thing. Including "participation" or "knowledge" isn't part of THAT alibi equation, of matching SP gait with the gait of someone specific. We can only consider whether the person we are thinking of could have been there, in person, and under the costume, and nothing else. Otherwise, the similarity in gait is only a coincidence. You're matching gait for gait, which means your basis for a crime connection is on the idea that this person was there, and nowhere else.

And LE has unconditionally said that the alibi of the one you're speaking of was verified, so he wasn't there. So gotta look elsewhere for SP. Saying "well they might have been involved somehow" but coming to that idea because of gait, when that's not them in the costume, is simply wrong.

Who do you think I'm referring to and would you Link where the guy you are thinking I'm thinking of has officially been cleared?!

Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk

 

[SteveS]

Who do you think I'm referring to and would you Link where the guy you are thinking I'm thinking of has officially been cleared?!

The "has been cleared" question is silly and pointless, because LE has made it clear they aren't clearing anyone - even people they have no reason to suspect - until they have solved the case. And of course it isn't solved. But the refusal to "clear" anyone and everyone doesn't mean they haven't figured out some pieces to the case, and they've verified that at the time of the crime, BB and RB/wife were out of state as they claimed. So neither could have been under the SP costume. This has been well documented, hashed and rehashed here countless times ad nauseum.

 

[Cannonball3804]

"Are you local and is this common thought around there?" ...I am local, and no it is not. It's as bizarre thinking in this geo area as it is to this message board. People here don't think that way (that murdering someone is the right way to address wrong moral behavior), and even more so when you're talking about people of faith,

While I agree that "people" don't think that way generally, we're not talking about people generally. We're talking about one person. That's really all it takes. (And I get that you were asked about common thought)

Example: People don't think that murdering an abortion doctor is the right way to address what they perceive as the evil of abortion. But more than one "person" certainly has thought it, and acted on it. These people are outside the norm, but they exist. Because normal doesn't have a 100% occupancy rate.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Cannonball3804]

I appreciate the explanation, Cannonball. I agree that it would take a lot to murder someone over that, unless there also was a more personal reason, i.e. jealousy, rivalry over a man, or unless someone was just guano crazy, which could very well be the case. (After all, who would've thought someone would try to hire a hitman to kill the mother of their daughter's junior high cheerleading rival?)

As for the OT Old Testament stuff, I see the submissive-wife theology as a conservative New Testament reading of the Torah (Old Testament). It could make sense as a theory in this case, but as an aside, I wanted to clarify that not everyone reads/interprets/understands the Torah that way.

Certainly. And I don't know if you are Orthodox or Reformed; Orthodox Judaism would be much more conservative, just as in Christianity the Church of Christ would be much more conservative than the United Methodists, for example.

The particular brand of Christianity for these folks in Midlothian would lean much more to the conservative side. I would add that there is a lot of farming and ranching in that area, too. Those types of communities are going to have very defined gender roles, generally. Obviously there are always exceptions, but that would be the norm.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Bootsctr]

Where does the Cowboy Church fall within the conservative side of Christianity? Because I know some Cowboy Churchgoers and yes they typically have very defined gender roles (which I believe MB was definitely fulfilling the role of mother and wife), but they also have this not-so-conservative view of open marriages. Not judging. I believe both parties were okay with this open marriage.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Where does the Cowboy Church fall within the conservative side of Christianity? Because I know some Cowboy Churchgoers and yes they typically have very defined gender roles (which I believe MB was definitely fulfilling the role of mother and wife), but they also have this not-so-conservative view of open marriages. Not judging. I believe both parties were okay with this open marriage.

Cowboy Church is typically pretty conservative, non-denominational, born-again, etc. Lately the Baptist church has begun planting a lot of cowboy churches of their own.

Cowboy Church would not be okay with an open marriage. If some of the congregants choose that lifestyle, I doubt there would be a higher percentage of them than you'd have in a Baptist, Assembly of God or similar church.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[SteveS]

Cowboy Church is typically pretty conservative, non-denominational, born-again, etc. Lately the Baptist church has begun planting a lot of cowboy churches of their own.

Cowboy Church would not be okay with an open marriage. If some of the congregants choose that lifestyle, I doubt there would be a higher percentage of them than you'd have in a Baptist, Assembly of God or similar church.

It needs to also be noted that nowhere in that realm would there be people who would see "murder" as the acceptable church solution to a bad marriage, open marriage, or anything of that ilk. Counseling, separation, or even divorce. But not murder. Sheesh, I live in that world, and this is like asking if they use an atom bomb to get rid of fire ants, it's not what people of faith do or how they think.

 

[Razz]

It needs to also be noted that nowhere in that realm would there be people who would see "murder" as the acceptable church solution to a bad marriage, open marriage, or anything of that ilk. Counseling, separation, or even divorce. But not murder. Sheesh, I live in that world, and this is like asking if they use an atom bomb to get rid of fire ants, it's not what people of faith do or how they think.

Well, maybe there was more at stake here. Something no one is privy to.

Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk

 

[SteveS]

Example: People don't think that murdering an abortion doctor is the right way to address what they perceive as the evil of abortion. But more than one "person" certainly has thought it, and acted on it.

To be fair, those who do so believe they are stopping the murder of innocent, helpless babies, thereby justifying the killing. (Not endorsing it, just speaking to the mindset behind it.) Point being, those abortion-stopping acts were certainly not being driven by an idea that you can and should go around murdering anyone who sins, generally speaking.

 

[SteveS]

Well, maybe there was more at stake here. Something no one is privy to.

I think it's far far far farrrrrrrrrrrr more likely that the imagined "motive" (of some sort of "Christian"-motivated purification being enforced, by this murder) is off base. Now the idea that one spouse might kill another due to rage or jealousy, that's the sort of thing that makes sense if there's any evidence to support it, but that's not at all the same thing.

 

[TexasEx]

On the Midlothian PD Facebook page, someone asked why the public can't get better photos from the crime scene and Altima cameras, and why there haven't been posters placed around town asking for help solving the crime. The person made a good point: If law enforcement doesn't know who the killer is, they should be pleading with the public for help. No response yet from the police after two days.

This leads me to believe that they have identified a perp and are indeed putting the case together.

 

[Razz]

I think it's far far far farrrrrrrrrrrr more likely that the imagined "motive" (of some sort of "Christian"-motivated purification being enforced, by this murder) is off base. Now the idea that one spouse might kill another due to rage or jealousy, that's the sort of thing that makes sense if there's any evidence to support it, but that's not at all the same thing.

Well, I was thinking something other than that. More like money.
An unfortunate motivator for many people forced demises.

Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk

 

[SteveS]

Well, I was thinking something other than that. More like money.
An unfortunate motivator for many people forced demises.

Reasonable. I was just commenting on the outlandishness of the "Christian purification" idea. But things like sex, drugs, money, those make real-life sense as motives (and can be applied to almost anyone we want to imagine as a suspect).

 

[Jethro4WS]

On the Midlothian PD Facebook page, someone asked why the public can't get better photos from the crime scene and Altima cameras, and why there haven't been posters placed around town asking for help solving the crime. The person made a good point: If law enforcement doesn't know who the killer is, they should be pleading with the public for help. No response yet from the police after two days.

This leads me to believe that they have identified a perp and are indeed putting the case together.

I would hope you are right. Do you have an opinion on what it is that is holding them up from naming a person of interest? That is, forcing someone out in the public eye, all lawyered up? Maybe, in turn, causing someone else to come forward with more information (if it exists). It doesn't happen all the time, that I understand. But there are cases - like the Karen Swift case out of TN - where LE has named a person of interest over 4 years ago and insist they want to talk to the person but they won't cooperate (in the Karen Swift case due to the fact that the person of interest won't talk to LE without their lawyer present).

One thing about this case that bothers me is that there has been very little search warrant activity, if any, outside of the first week or two. Even the last two to be released - the Facebook warrants - were actually issued two days after Missy was killed. Every warrant we have seen are for companies that won't provide information without a warrant or for the victim where a warrant is required because she is dead. The only other warrant that we know about is one that includes the serial number of a gun but MPD won't release that one due to the serial number (despite a request to release it in redacted form). Whether that was aimed at who they believe did it or it led to a dead end is unknown.

 

[rotary_dial]

I cannot get past the similarities. What's the chance the perp walks, same height as RB. Coincides do happen but damn, it's uncanny.

Early on, someone posted some b-roll footage from a local news station (I believe it was WFAA, but my memory is foggy). The footage was from some event at the church after the murder. There was a person who had the exact same gait and approximate physical dimensions of SP. He was walking, then standing near a truck. Someone said he was a Texas Ranger and the mods declared sleuthing him was off limits.

I really wish I had that link to look at once again, it was quite a coincidence.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

 

[finine]

On the Midlothian PD Facebook page, someone asked why the public can't get better photos from the crime scene and Altima cameras, and why there haven't been posters placed around town asking for help solving the crime. The person made a good point: If law enforcement doesn't know who the killer is, they should be pleading with the public for help. No response yet from the police after two days.

This leads me to believe that they have identified a perp and are indeed putting the case together.

Their FB page is interesting because in most circumstances they are likely to respond to a message. I know quite a few from here have even sent PMs to them via FB and gotten responses. I think the *lack* of response to that question is telling. [emoji4] Hoping for a break in this case soon.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Oregonmama]

At this point, I'm going back to square one with my suspects. LE has no obligation to tell us the truth at this point. Their job is chasing leads and building a case. They might have said RB's alibi was verified but is it iron clad? Maybe or maybe not. The only thing I can still say is that this murder was personal. Some one knew her schedule and she would be alone for a small period. We didn't get all the details but someone killed her in a heinous way. I hope justice comes soon. MOO

 

[MzOpinion8d]

On the Midlothian PD Facebook page, someone asked why the public can't get better photos from the crime scene and Altima cameras, and why there haven't been posters placed around town asking for help solving the crime. The person made a good point: If law enforcement doesn't know who the killer is, they should be pleading with the public for help. No response yet from the police after two days.

This leads me to believe that they have identified a perp and are indeed putting the case together.

I don't think there's any possible way LE doesn't have a tag number for that Altima. The cameras at that gun shop were amazing. There are demo videos of them on YouTube showing how clearly they recorded.

 

[Bootsctr]

Early on, someone posted some b-roll footage from a local news station (I believe it was WFAA, but my memory is foggy). The footage was from some event at the church after the murder. There was a person who had the exact same gait and approximate physical dimensions of SP. He was walking, then standing near a truck. Someone said he was a Texas Ranger and the mods declared sleuthing him was off limits.

I really wish I had that link to look at once again, it was quite a coincidence.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

I remember it well. For the first minute, I believe, we did not know if it was a man or woman. Finally the camera panned up to a gentleman's face. I don't recall that he was a Texas Ranger. He was wearing jeans and was minus the Texas Ranger cowboy hat.

 

[ardenmost]

Early on, someone posted some b-roll footage from a local news station (I believe it was WFAA, but my memory is foggy). The footage was from some event at the church after the murder. There was a person who had the exact same gait and approximate physical dimensions of SP. He was walking, then standing near a truck. Someone said he was a Texas Ranger and the mods declared sleuthing him was off limits.

I really wish I had that link to look at once again, it was quite a coincidence.

Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

I've been following this case for months. This is the first I've heard of this. Quite interesting....can you give us more info?