UK - 39 bodies found in lorry, Essex, 23 October 2019

[katydid23]

Equally valid question.

I do not think China "blamed the EU" but suggested that they and the UK bore SOME responsibility. This must be the case .. surely all states have SOME responsibility for everything which occurs within their borders.

True. But these poor souls did not climb into this refrigerated lorry while in the UK, if I understand things correctly. They snuck in illegally. So I am not understanding why the UK would be to blame, for this horrendous situation.

 

[Ched]

Mrs Maher is named in documents as the last known owner of the Scania cab, which was registered in Bulgaria and driven by Mo Robinson.

Officials think the migrants entered the refrigerated unit before they got to Zebrugge and attention on mainland Europe is now on the driver who delivered it to the port.
source told Dutch-language newspaper Het Nieusblad: ‘We hope to catch him soon. His truck was filmed ten times at the port site.’

A Belgian police officer, who asked not to be named, said it would be ‘virtually impossible’ for migrants to get into the lorries at Zebrugge because of security.

However, if they were placed in lorries further afield and the refrigerated unit switched on, they would avoid being detected by heat-sensing cameras or sniffer dogs at the port.

Essex lorry migrants ‘left bloody handprints inside container' as they tried to escape | Metro News

 

[alice500]

interesting document:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...o_avoid_a_Penalty_10_Steps_-_English_V.05.pdf

 

[LuluR38]

I have another technical question ..... I wonder how many mobile phone calls were made through the masts along the 10 minute route from Purfleet Docks to Eastern Avenue at that time of the morning? .. Surely there is a log ?

Masts aren’t that important now I would imagine given we all walk round with GPS in our pockets, being tracked by apps when we d t realise (like camera app / google etc)... also on mo’s Facebook up until about 2016 there’s loads of check ins to ports and services on his profile publicly so one can see where he was a regular historically as well.

 

[alice500]

True. But these poor souls did not climb into this refrigerated lorry while in the UK, if I understand things correctly. They snuck in illegally. So I am not understanding why the UK would be to blame, for this horrendous situation.

Blame is such an odd term .... I always think ...however in any transaction there must be shared responsibility

In this case the UK is clearly responsible for dealing with the bodies with respect, and is responsible for investigating the incident to try to determine what has actually happened ... at least on UK soil.

If it turns out that policies and procedures within the UK contributed to the event, then the UK must be responsible for addressing that... Similarly the EU... and any other states along the way.

 

[alice500]

Masts aren’t that important now I would imagine given we all walk round with GPS in our pockets, being tracked by apps when we d t realise (like camera app / google etc)... also on mo’s Facebook up until about 2016 there’s loads of check ins to ports and services on his profile publicly so one can see where he was a regular historically as well.

Sorry, the question was how many calls were made ........

through those particular phone masts

in that time frame

 

[HayLouise]

UK #police will this afternoon decide to either charge or release Mo Robinson in connection with the discovery of 39 dead migrants in the Lorry he drove on Thursday morning in Essex's...

Padraig O'Reilly Photographer on Twitter

 

[HayLouise]

Trafficking expert Mimi Vu fears there may have been more than one Vietnamese victim found dead in a lorry container in Essex.

Latest on this story here: po.st/2G4jJO

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Sky News on Twitter

 

[alice500]

Interesting Slachtoffers doodscontainer mogelijk opgepikt in België: “Mama en papa, het spijt me. Ik kan niet meer ademen” talks of Veurne and Kortrijk rather than Grand Synthe and Lille favoured by UK press.

 

[HayLouise]

Local residents gathered at #EasternAvenue in #WestThurrock to pay tribute to container lorry victims. May the departed souls #RestInPeace.

*Condolence book & floral tributes area is in the reception of the Civic Offices, Grays, RM17 6SL.

#Grays #Essex



Qaisar Abbas on Twitter

 

[HayLouise]

26 October 2019:


'SEA OF BODIES'
Sole survivor cockle picker slave of Morecambe disaster relives 2 YEAR journey to UK with echoes of Essex lorry tragedy

Sole survivor cockle picker slave of Morecambe disaster relives his TWO YEAR journey to Britain which ended in tragedy

 

[HayLouise]

More of the bodies of the 39 people found in a lorry trailer in Essex are being transported from Tilbury Docks to be examined this morning. Growing concerns that a number of Vietnamese nationals are among the dead.

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Nick Smith on Twitter

 

[HayLouise]

26 October 2019:


Essex Lorry Deaths: Police Search For Driver Who Delivered Container To Belgian Port Before 39 People Discovered Dead

Police are urgently trying to track down the driver who delivered the trailer, later discovered to contain 39 people, to a port in Belgian before being shipped to the UK.

The Belgian prosecutor’s office said officers were attempting to find the driver who delivered the refrigerated container to Zeebrugge on Tuesday.

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[HayLouise]

Essex lorry latest.

4 people being questioned:

* Mo Robinson (25) from NI

* 48yo from NI arrested at Stansted Airport

* Joanna Maher (38), her husband Thomas (38) from Warrington.

Before their arrest they denied having anything to do with the lorry, having sold it last year.

Mark Simpson on Twitter

 

[Mrs Marple]

That is an extreme view. They may have died in other ways if there were no borders.

China blaming the EU seems unfair. WHY are these immigrants so desperate to leave their homelands? Maybe some of the blame should go in that direction, instead of the country that holds the answer to their troubles.

Why not ask the hard questions about why they are fleeing their homelands in such desperation?

BBM they are economic migrants. One or more family members come to work in a more prosperous country then send money back to their families. Otherwise they could claim refugee status when they get here.

I think we need to be careful about dragging other potentially controversial issues into this that take the focus away from the criminal investigation (not aimed at you @katydid23 )

 

[alice500]

point taken

 

[Ched]

So few checks done Zeebrugge port boss says just 1% of containers are x-rayed

 

[Ched]

Wish we knew times of extension or release

 

[alice500]

Federal Public Prosecutor’s Office - Press Release

 

[alice500]

According to the Sun newspaper

"
A spokesman for the Belgian prosecutor's office confirmed they are investigating the truck, saying: "We're trying to identify the driver."

He said Belgian authorities were also working to "track the route of the container" and find anyone responsible for "collaborating with the transport".
"


And yet .. the GTR website claims the containers are fitted with BlueTree.. and it was reported that they (GTR) have handed the logs to the UK police.

I understand that the Blue-Tree system can log all sorts of information including the GPS co-ordinates of the container, and the temperature (in the case of a reefer)